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The Trail of Tears.....

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The Trail of Tears.....

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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:36 PM CST
HealthyLiving wrote:
Thanks for the link. It is truely tragic what so many of the indian students have gone thru over the years, at the hands of prejudical teachers. So glad they now have a chance to tell their stories. Yet this comes at the loss of so many.


Thanks for the links HL and Hugz, I have got both of then in favourites for tomorrow thumbs up
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HJFinAZ
Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:36 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
<<<=======Proud Mohawk....


"Pretty" Mohawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!sticking out tongue



hug
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:36 PM CST
HealthyLiving wrote:
Thanks for the link. It is truely tragic what so many of the indian students have gone thru over the years, at the hands of prejudical teachers. So glad they now have a chance to tell their stories. Yet this comes at the loss of so many.


Yes it does...It was government policy and legislation to "assimilate" and similar policies and schools were developed in the US before the Canadian ones I believe...They were called "Indian Training Schools" I believe....conversing conversing
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Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:38 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
OMG!!!!!!!!! Oppression at it's best...there have been so many travesties in the world because of someone elses need to dominate...It's disgusting....


ABSOLUTELY!!!

Out of greed and selfishness!
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:38 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
The Apparitions....Quietly sitting before a small fire,
A lone Indian begins a ceremonial respect.
Reaching into a pouch,
He brings out a matter of medicine.
Which he offers to the four winds,
To Mother Earth and all his relations.
And from his heart, soul and mind,
He speaks to the medicine,
Using a language taught to him,
A language carried through time,
By the apparitions before him,
His ancestors.With words flowing from his heart,
Of the fire he speaks.
He ask the medicine for guidance,
To protect his people,
So that they will live a good life
And that their hearts, souls and minds,
Will be filled with the
Wisdom, knowledge and understanding
Of life and truth,
The traditional ways given to them,
As told through the medicine
By the apparitions before him,
His ancestors.Gently he sprinkles the medicine upon the fire.
He has spoken words to the medicine
Using the old language of his people,
Words that the medicine knows.
For such words are of a language
That have been used for centuries
In such a sacred manner.
Words that the medicine recognizes,
Words of life that come from no book,
Words that in fact allow the medicine to work.
This the lone Indian knows,
For he is given a nod of approval
By the apparitions before him,
His ancestors.And as the smoke heads upward,
Carrying the medicine and words,
An Eagle hover's above accepting the message,
Which will be delivered in a sacred manner.
And the apparitions of time gone by know
The Indian world will live on.
Such are the ways of a people,
Guided by apparitions of time gone by.
For here, there is no circus, no money,
No English words, no books, no mockery,
Just the reality of something very sacred,
Passed on to a people
By the apparitions who guide us,
The ancestors of yesterday...
Who guide only their people...

-by Larry Kibby-

Another beautiful poem....


so heartfelt and true - thanks again Hugz
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PILIPALA
Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:39 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
OMG!!!!!!!!! Oppression at it's best...there have been so many travesties in the world because of someone elses need to dominate...It's disgusting....


Yea greed and as you Oppression will always raise it ugly head. Trish background is probably similar to the Welsh Valleys were the coal and iron industry's were in the industrial revolution . but thats a tale all to its self
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:40 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
Yes it does...It was government policy and legislation to "assimilate" and similar policies and schools were developed in the US before the Canadian ones I believe...They were called "Indian Training Schools" I believe....


yes, Im wracking my brain to remember where or what I read about these schools before - but I know its heartbreaking - is there a film about this, a story film rather than a doc does anybody know? dunno
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:41 PM CST
HJFinAZ wrote:
"Pretty" Mohawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEE...Thanx...People don't think I'm so pretty though when I get up and start spouting off!!!!!!!



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HJFinAZ
Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:42 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
AWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEE...Thanx...People don't think I'm so pretty though when I get up and start spouting off!!!!!!!


I say what I mean, and I mean what I say!!hug
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HJFinAZ
Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:43 PM CST
In the United States, it is called freedom of speech..wink
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PILIPALA
Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:44 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
yes, Im wracking my brain to remember where or what I read about these schools before - but I know its heartbreaking - is there a film about this, a story film rather than a doc does anybody know?


I think i have seen something about them on the telivision the Austrilians did a similar thing to the Aborigine's
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:44 PM CST
PILIPALA wrote:
Yea greed and as you Oppression will always raise it ugly head. Trish background is probably similar to the Welsh Valleys were the coal and iron industry's were in the industrial revolution . but thats a tale all to its self


yes, I think the industrail revolution is where we all started to feel the pinch of oppression - but we nevr had it so bad as all of you of course - im ashamed to be English sometimes - actually, my family are irish from way back then and the did suffer at the hands of the british in the form of the potato famine which was nasty - the Scotts had the land clearance acts too so quite a lot of people were actually victimised by the mind set of the day - sadly................
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:44 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
yes, Im wracking my brain to remember where or what I read about these schools before - but I know its heartbreaking - is there a film about this, a story film rather than a doc does anybody know?


There is one I know of called...Where the Spririt Lives...It's old though and was made in 1989...If I come acrossed any others I will let you know...I saw this one and it's still good even though it's old...conversing conversing
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PILIPALA
Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:47 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
yes, I think the industrail revolution is where we all started to feel the pinch of oppression - but we nevr had it so bad as all of you of course - im ashamed to be English sometimes - actually, my family are irish from way back then and the did suffer at the hands of the british in the form of the potato famine which was nasty - the Scotts had the land clearance acts too so quite a lot of people were actually victimised by the mind set of the day - sadly................



I would never blame a nation for what happened in Wales as our English counterparts suffered the same fate. It was a few greedy people not an Nation
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PILIPALA
Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:47 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
There is one I know of called...Where the Spririt Lives...It's old though and was made in 1989...If I come acrossed any others I will let you know...I saw this one and it's still good even though it's old...



That sounds familar hugs
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:49 PM CST
PILIPALA wrote:
I think i have seen something about them on the telivision the Austrilians did a similar thing to the Aborigine's


They did yes...There was just an apology there from the government of Austrailia...Jib did a thread on it...conversing conversing
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:51 PM CST
PILIPALA wrote:
I would never blame a nation for what happened in Wales as our English counterparts suffered the same fate. It was a few greedy people not an Nation


Exactly...It was the governments of the day...NOT the people...BUT there are still things which the governments of today refuse to address so that almost makes them a part of the problem...conversing conversing
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PILIPALA
Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 3:55 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
They did yes...There was just an apology there from the government of Austrailia...Jib did a thread on it...


yea i saw that on the news. Did you ever see a film about 3 Aboriginary Children who go on the run trying to get back to their family. Sorry have no idea what it was called but it was very moving



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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 4:00 PM CST
PILIPALA wrote:
yea i saw that on the news. Did you ever see a film about 3 Aboriginary Children who go on the run trying to get back to their family. Sorry have no idea what it was called but it was very moving


Yep...It's called something about...the fence...cause they followed the fence all the way home after they escaped...I can't remember the name either....conversing conversing
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Feb 16, 2008, 4:01 PM CST
PILIPALA wrote:
yea i saw that on the news. Did you ever see a film about 3 Aboriginary Children who go on the run trying to get back to their family. Sorry have no idea what it was called but it was very moving


is that the one where an old couple are looking to be their parents all along?
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