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The war




Skeptikos
Greenville, South Carolina USA
Posted: Feb 19, 2008, 10:56 PM CST
Suppose the Iraqis establish some resemblance of a democratic government on their own.

We'll still have troups over there for decades. Terrorists will be killing innocents and military.

It won't do any good. It saddens me so much to see soldiers going over there because of the American brainwash and their naivete. Our country isn't safer because of the war. If we continue to invade Iraq, nothing will come of it. Civilians and fighters will continue to get blown up for decades. The U.S.'s role, is, in my mind, not the emperor of the world.

We are so paranoid now, that we think we have to control any country that the media convinces us is a danger to us.

The intelligent thing to do would be to make strategic sortees when necessary, come home, and wait until there's another threat, then do the same. We're arent' going to change the way people have been raised, any more they will us.

The war needs to be ended, and our troups from around the world need to be sent home. We can leave the bases, and when a stretegic hit needs to be made, we can do it.

This war is insane and will have no lasting positive effect. I feel so sorry for our soldiers who think they're accomplishing something, I feel sorry for the families who have lost family, and I feel sorry for the innocents--American, Iraqi, and others-- who have died for nothing.

America has become the most paranoid country on the planet.
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paddy1
limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Feb 19, 2008, 11:00 PM CST
Skeptikos wrote:
America has become the most paranoid country on the planet.


stop feeding the bush then and let die wither......
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trublu
Rialto USA
Posted: Feb 20, 2008, 8:52 AM CST
Sorry but I think the OP is the paranoid one. Sure, war sucks, Bush has handled the thing so badly I can't imagine declaring any kind of "win" with him in charge no matter how you slice it. Always said we should just have bombed them from the air, turned it to dust, and done it again and again any time they acted up AGAIN. No need for so many of our guys to have gotten killed or injured. But I guess you have forgotten, our govt hasn't been listening to us for a very long time now. IF they had been working in our best interest we wouldn't have the issues with illegal immigrants, health care, education...that we have.
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shipoker55
St. Petersburg, Florida USA
Posted: Feb 20, 2008, 8:56 AM CST
Not to worry...our soldiers will be safe from the hatred, poverty, the economy, stock market collaspe, mass murders, senseless killings, no health care, previlent in the U.S. They will be safer in Iraq for the next 8 years.

The military has become our greatest welfare system yet!!
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HeartsDesire61
Hernando USA
Posted: Feb 20, 2008, 9:05 AM CST
You think war is scary, read this email I just received.

****** EMAIL ********

This is very interesting! We all need to read it from start to finish.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . .. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no . . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran).

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. . .. . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. .. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . .. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. . .. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . .. . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation, perhaps we
should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.

They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

* * * Call it what you wish; it's still the truth.

* * * You had better believe it.

* * * The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President?

You HAVE to be kidding?! Wake up America !

Have Americans gone crazy? Are they blind to the facts? Do they want change bad enough to bow to Allah? If they choose Obama as president then that is exactly what they are doing. God Help us all!!!

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran (Koran)---not the Bible!

PLEASE, please pass this to all in your address book.

Please PRAY for America!!!

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Tiffanie
Nijkerk, Gelderland Netherlands
Posted: Feb 20, 2008, 1:23 PM CST
paddy1 wrote:
stop feeding the bush then and let wither......


Brilliant
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Feb 20, 2008, 2:02 PM CST
Skeptikos wrote:


This war is insane and will have no lasting positive effect. I feel so sorry for our soldiers who think they're accomplishing something, I feel sorry for the families who have lost family, and I feel sorry for the innocents--American, Iraqi, and others-- who have died for nothing.

America has become the most paranoid country on the planet.


me too sigh it is extremely sad !!!!!

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johndivr
Middle East, Florida USA
Posted: Feb 20, 2008, 2:20 PM CST
BRO,
YOU NEED T BE THERE, NOT LISTEN TO CNN BEFORE YOU SPROUT THE BS YOU ARE PUTTING OUT, WANNA TICKET, ONE WAY? IT'S ALL YOU WILL NEED.
PLEASE DO NOT NOT SPEAK OF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT, IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID, KIND OF LIKE YOUR PICTURE........J
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dcj22
Somewhere, Minnesota USA
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 2:20 PM CST
johndivr wrote:
BRO,
YOU NEED T BE THERE, NOT LISTEN TO CNN BEFORE YOU SPROUT THE BS YOU ARE PUTTING OUT, WANNA TICKET, ONE WAY? IT'S ALL YOU WILL NEED.
PLEASE DO NOT NOT SPEAK OF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT, IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID, KIND OF LIKE YOUR PICTURE........J



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Thank you. I was never in favor of this war, but I have someone there and he's told me of the good that was accomplished the last 2 times he was there. I have a much different view on things after getting a first hand account instead of listening to the news.
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 2:30 PM CST
HeartsDesire61 wrote:
You think war is scary, read this email I just received.

****** EMAIL ********

This is very interesting! We all need to read it from start to finish.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . .. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no . . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran).

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. . .. . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. .. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . .. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. . .. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . .. . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation, perhaps we
should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.

They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

* * * Call it what you wish; it's still the truth.

* * * You had better believe it.

* * * The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President?

You HAVE to be kidding?! Wake up America !

Have Americans gone crazy? Are they blind to the facts? Do they want change bad enough to bow to Allah? If they choose Obama as president then that is exactly what they are doing. God Help us all!!!

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran (Koran)---not the Bible!

PLEASE, please pass this to all in your address book.

Please PRAY for America!!!
I am sorry but this really paints a picture that ALL Muslims are like this and live there lives in this way. I live in a Muslim country and this generalization is simply not TRUE.
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tampa1
London, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 7:18 PM CST
trublu wrote:
Sorry but I think the OP is the paranoid one. Sure, war sucks, Bush has handled the thing so badly I can't imagine declaring any kind of "win" with him in charge no matter how you slice it. Always said we should just have bombed them from the air, turned it to dust, and done it again and again any time they acted up AGAIN. No need for so many of our guys to have gotten killed or injured. But I guess you have forgotten, our govt hasn't been listening to us for a very long time now. IF they had been working in our best interest we wouldn't have the issues with illegal immigrants, health care, education...that we have.



Turn the place to dust? On what grounds? War is directed at governments and armies not the citizen's. I wonder how you would feel if say the Russian's or the Chinese decided to do that to the USA everytime they acted up!
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uptiger
los angeles, California USA
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 7:26 PM CST
Americas been the most paranoid country on the planet since the fifties.. ironically when they developed weapons of mass destruction.. kinda sad really..
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TTom50
Orlando, Florida USA
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 7:33 PM CST
johndivr wrote:
BRO,
YOU NEED T BE THERE, NOT LISTEN TO CNN BEFORE YOU SPROUT THE BS YOU ARE PUTTING OUT, WANNA TICKET, ONE WAY? IT'S ALL YOU WILL NEED.
PLEASE DO NOT NOT SPEAK OF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT, IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID, KIND OF LIKE YOUR PICTURE........J


Stay safe John. Thank you for your service. The poster has not been there and has no idea of what he talks of.
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Skeptikos
Greenville, South Carolina USA
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 7:38 PM CST
Do these people lack the guts to fight for their own rights?
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Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 7:39 PM CST
hole Just because we're paranoid,
doesn't mean people aren't out to get us. hole
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TTom50
Orlando, Florida USA
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 7:48 PM CST
Skeptikos wrote:
Do these people lack the guts to fight for their own rights?


Do you refer to me? To Iraqis? To John? What people do you refer?
Take care friend. John is there and knows exactly what is going on there. Iraqis are there, and know exactly what is going there.

So I guess you refer to me. I did six friend. How many did you do?
I sat on a Kosovo Task force via White House appointment.
And two year ago was nearly sent to Iraq on a White House appointment. And I would have gone.

So friend until you list some expereinces, we can call you a novice.
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Skeptikos
Greenville, South Carolina USA
Posted: Feb 21, 2008, 7:51 PM CST
Morganlee, but they are still unafraid, and live in the U.S.

Mosslems belong to no party. I have wavered and faltered one party to another. At this point, I think the Repuclicans have blown it.

All respect due to you and no offense intened.

I'm not a peacenick. I'm a realist. I don't identify with any party.

Neither party will do anything to strengthen the U.S.

They're all a bunch of ass-lickers who simply want to be president.
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Skeptikos
Greenville, South Carolina USA
Posted: Feb 24, 2008, 11:37 PM CST
HeartsDesire61 wrote:
You think war is scary, read this email I just received.

****** EMAIL ********

This is very interesting! We all need to read it from start to finish.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . .. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no . . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran).

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. . .. . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. .. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . .. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. . .. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . .. . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation, perhaps we
should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.

They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

* * * Call it what you wish; it's still the truth.

* * * You had better believe it.

* * * The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President?

You HAVE to be kidding?! Wake up America !

Have Americans gone crazy? Are they blind to the facts? Do they want change bad enough to bow to Allah? If they choose Obama as president then that is exactly what they are doing. God Help us all!!!

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran (Koran)---not the Bible!

PLEASE, please pass this to all in your address book.

Please PRAY for America!!!
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Skeptikos
Greenville, South Carolina USA
Posted: Feb 24, 2008, 11:50 PM CST
Heart's Desire 61, your message begs the question.

Yes, the moslem believes in Allah. The christian believes in Yahweh, brobably originally a sun god.
No other god is accepted by Allah; no other god is accepted by Yahweh.
The moslem believes in the Quran (or Koran); the christian believes in the bible.
Revelations speaks of nations being destroyed.
Christians believe the Quran to be corrupt.

I don't know whether I'd have the guts to speak out against Isam if I lived in America, for fear that it would endanger me, yet people from the near east have moved here because they would rather live in our country. If people were allowed to move from America to Iraq, I doubt they'd want to.
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