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interesting responses

some of them i really 'got'

cant say the same for the op

And for Republicans

I think you've raised an interesting point, Rickster. One thing I've observed is that there really isn't one homogenous "god," but rather many, many different concepts of god - even among people from the same religious sects. Every Christian that I've talked with, for instance, has a different vision of God. Some don't like the angry Old Testament "eat the children with a bear" dude - preferring the allegedly "free-lovish" Jesus - while other prefer the opposite...or any number of degrees in between.

The point I often attempt to make to my religious relatives is that we *do judge God*. We believe, in other words, in a god that suits are ethical beliefs (or psychological temperaments).

I have no guarantee what my fate will be as it is... I love God..and live my life in accordance what I think is right.. i.e. try to be a good and moral person, be a good christian that kind of thing... but I am also aware that it might not be enough... I am still trying to figure it all out and have no guarantee that I will find the answers.. but then thats love for ya unconditional... the thruth is not everyone will go to heaven whether they love God or not... we are required to live our lives in a certain way as it is...

having said all of the above though...if the consequence of serving god was punishment then that would be some 'other God' one which I cannot identify with...... so no!!

[quote]having said all of the above though...if the consequence of serving god was punishment then that would be some 'other God' one which I cannot identify with...... so no!! [quote]

Well, that's what I'm getting at, Aries - that we follow a god because we think it benefits us. We wouldn't follow one where there was not only no reward, but actually a punishment.

Or so I would assume. Still waiting from others - most notably, perhaps, my dear nemesis on such points, Constanza.

I think it a matter of doing the right thing,and what makes me feel good.If I needed money and I had a choice to work or rob, I would work.If I didn't have a choice to work I still would not rob.

This thread is blasphemous....

Especially for you in that flying nun outfit, H&K.

My we're feeling introspective tonight... I don't believe in God per say, I live my life the way I do because it is the correct thing to do. There are laws that I break because I feel they serve no useful purpose, but I live my life in a way that does no harm to anyone else. If believing in God is the only way you get to heaven, if there is one... then I guess I'll be seeing a few of you in hell regardless of how we live our lives.

I know had to go and change costumes...that habit was gettin too uncomfy!!!!!!!!

Don't blame me for a double post.

Blame God

Was it something I said, Mindful? That's all right, few people ever do get me.

Reminds me of another question I've asked my religious friends/family, JB. "If you knew God didn't exist, how would that change your behavior? Would you suddenly feel inclined to perform evil acts?" The answer is invariably no. The other part of that question is: "Are the things we do good and bad because a god says so, or because they are good/bad by another standard, which applies to god's actions as well?"

Often get rather pained and uncomprehending looks from my religious friends/family, btw.

Hell, the definition and let me tell ya I know this one all to well, I allmost died years back I had a nervous breakdown and my heart was beating fast for years and I was a tad worried at the shape I was in that I would die...

I knew if I did not pull out of poor health I would die and all the rotten things I ever did I thought of and I thought if I go like this I will burn

Hell is you burn for the sins you comited, if ya pull out and recieve
forgiveness God will not sentence you,

So now your not going to the firehouse....

I have compasiion for people in general. I think most humans want the same things. I feel for people, but there are no gods.

If I knew I would only go to hell in spite of what I did to change it. It is a done deal! Yes! I would try to obey God. Believe it or no!

I would love and do good for others even knowing they would never love me. Believe it or no!

I am that way....no bull! But if you give all to the poor, soon you are one of them and can help no one. I will not waste efforts on those who don't help themselves.

In pleasing God I find tranquility and self love; anything that steps outside those boundaries brings misery and defeat; a tree shall be recognized by its fruit. God is life, anything else is death; and I see others who are dead in life, including I myself was once dead in life, when my ways weren't righteous.

What a thoughtfull observetion and logic .... I salut you,Maugli




Ambrose answering a second half of your post which is:

"In another thread I asked whether we would prefer to love knowing we would never be loved, or to be loved knowing we would never love in return?"

I've chosen to be Loved not just because it makes my man to feel and to be the happiest human being in this ole World. But because seeing him content makes me feel great .... and what is Love afterall .... to make someone to be happy. Isn't it?

Which god and how many of them?

lol .......... Millions and all of them watching