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Would you serve God if you knew you would be sentenced to Hell?

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Would you serve God if you knew you would be sentenced to Hell?

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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 24, 2008, 5:32 PM CST
Skeptikos wrote:
You are what you are until you die. It is always you will ever be. This is the only impression you will ever leave on people who knew you, and it is enough. Who will remember you 10,000 years from now? It doesn't matter. It only matters to those who fear death, and who think there is something somehohw positive in living forever. If some believe that living forever is adbantageous, they don't unterstant the immediacy of time.

Sorry for all of you who fear death more than I.


If one does not respect the finality of death how can they truly live?
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The love of life is what drives us to seek. To accept death is one thing, but if it's all the same to you I'll keep trying to live rather than just exist.
Sorry for all of you who don't know the joys of living.
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 12:50 AM CST
tryandcatchme72 wrote:
Maybe it helps to forget.
I myself am confused to pieces over 40 years of a very uneventful, quiet existence.
Can't imagine coping with remembering the years and events of past lives too.I am truley sorry, and mean no disrespect to you. But I do not understand much of what you just said. How can someone be confused by a very uneventful quiet existance? Most people would give there right arm for that kind of life. and your reply makes me question even more that God is forgiving or that he exsists. And as far as this being hell on earth, If you could not cope with your past lives too, Well what are you coping with that would make this hell for you? And why do you get a quiet uneventful life, while others are suffering with illness, starvation, there own governments turning against them, broken hearts, loss of every concievible thing imanginable? PLEASE tell that to the the 2 year old little boy who will die tonight becuase there was no food or medical attention for him that he sufferd be cause God is a mystery. But there is a reason you have a quiet uneventful life here in hell and he had to suffer every single day of his life.
Please tell that to the aids baby that no one wants that he has to be alone and suffer Because God see's it fit to give you and others a quiet uneventful life in hell and others will suffer and continue to suffer!
My point exactly! God is fair, and forgiving! I believe the only ones who believe that are the ones who live quiet uneventful lives, and keep blinders on to what is happening to the rest of the world.
I personally beleive that wether there is a God or not the world is ours and it is what we make it. There is suffering and there will all ways be suffering until each and every single person is willing to help each other, instead of trying to hurt each other.
It just seems to me that there are to many people in the world that turn there back on a fellow human being, and says Sorry Bub, we all have our own problems your in hell with the rest of us. Deal with it!
No one seems to think what happens in there lives is fair. I wonder just how many people have ever said Why God why me this is so unfair! Did God do it or did we do it to our selves?
One of the reasons ,imo, that this place often feels like hell is that people react from their own anger instead of trying to understand other people/situations.

May I remind you that you know NOTHING on any level about me.
And though you say you don't meant to disrespect me, you sound like you have no problem resenting and offending me.
Go back and read my posts and you may get a better idea of who you have so willingly attacked.

I have VOLUNTEERED 3 yrs for UNICEF, 4 yrs for the Pan African Day Care Centre that used to be here.
I have never stopped working as a teacher since I began 22 yrs ago (not exactly a sit down job).
I lost my mother to cancer when I was in my 20's, have only ever been with a guy for 3 yrs (and that was over a decade ago), never had the joy of marriage or children. Lived alone the past 18 yrs.
Mentally ill sister who hates me, can't ever go to see my 80 yr old dad because he lives with her,
today's a holiday so I'm here on CS answering you......

Shall I go on..... does that give you a better idea of what a quiet life can be?

2 things I'd like to clear up:
1.I never said this was hell on earth. I said it may NOT be....
2.At some point you ask why I get a quiet life while others get ''hell''. My response is twofold -
a. what makes you think a quiet life is void of pain?
b. I really don't know.

Don't resent people their quiet lives.
There's more than enough pain going round.
And if some people do have quiet, uneventful lives it is usually because they have learned to contain their pain and anger and have accepted whatever small portion life has given out to them as their lot.
Finito.
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thewall2
montreal, Quebec Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:00 AM CST
My relationship with GOD is A TWO WAY STREET.

The deal is,I work for GOD...... and GOD works for me.


So would I STILL WANT TO try to please him?
I'm not sure,but I would definately need to have a talk with him........



IN PRIVATE.professor
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Usedname
Honolulu, Hawaii USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:00 AM CST
Unconditionally Yes.
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:09 AM CST
the thing is what you are asking is exactly what I see none believers doing.
So all our acts of righteousness are like filthy rags before the God of creation , so no one can do enough good to make a dent.

Jesus was reported to have risen from the dead, and he said "I give you also the ability to do this"---- so with out Jesus what happens to that ability?

and that is the main division in religions -- the centrality of Christ-
and the choice to search it out is yours alone- whats important to you?rose
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:20 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
the thing is what you are asking is exactly what I see none believers doing.
So all our acts of righteousness are like filthy rags before the God of creation , so no one can do enough good to make a dent.

Jesus was reported to have risen from the dead, and he said "I give you also the ability to do this"---- so with out Jesus what happens to that ability?

and that is the main division in religions -- the centrality of Christ-
and the choice to search it out is yours alone- whats important to you?
Don't let trish hear ya... mumbling laugh

Actually, in my experience people are people.

There are lots of non-believers aswell as believers that do good. wave
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:25 AM CST
breezee wrote:
Don't let trish hear ya...

Actually, in my experience people are people.

There are lots of non-believers aswell as believers that do good.
wave wave

So all our acts of righteousness are like filthy rags before the God of creation , so no one can do enough good to make a dent.

rose hey Trish has her opinion I have mine hug I dont try to stop her posts and think she is probably a very fine person. wine
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:45 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
So all our acts of righteousness are like filthy rags before the God of creation , so no one can do enough good to make a dent.

hey Trish has her opinion I have mine I dont try to stop her posts and think she is probably a very fine person.
Hi Omega,
If there's one thing we have here on CS, it's different opinions.... which is a good thing, imo.
I think Trish is prolly (most likely) a fine person, too.
As you and I prolly are....

For the record, I personaly could never imagine any act of kindness being like a filthy rag before god or humanity...

Hi Trish, if you're there wave
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:51 AM CST
For the record, I personaly could never imagine any act of kindness being like a filthy rag before god or humanity...



Nor could Iwine
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:51 AM CST
breezee wrote:
Hi Omega,
If there's one thing we have here on CS, it's different opinions.... which is a good thing, imo.
I think Trish is prolly (most likely) a fine person, too.
As you and I prolly are....

For the record, I personaly could never imagine any act of kindness being like a filthy rag before god or humanity...

Hi Trish, if you're there


If I meet a stone cold drunk on the street and he asks me for money and I give it to him,( an act of kindness) and he goes staggering across the street and almost gets hit by a car but the car misses him and crashes into a mom and her children who are killed in the impact how many peoples lives have I just affected in a positive way ?
Im sure an intellect more advanced than ours could see many such situations.
Also I am sure that such an intellect needs nothing from me.rose
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alabamabebe
Banks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:55 AM CST
kidatheart wrote:
For the record, I personaly could never imagine any act of kindness being like a filthy rag before god or humanity...
Nor could I


That's a metaphor, it just means that we can't be good enough to get to heaven just on our own merit, just being good is not good enough.
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:56 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
If I meet a stone cold drunk on the street and he asks me for money and I give it to him,( an act of kindness) and he goes staggering across the street and almost gets hit by a car but the car misses him and crashes into a mom and her children who are killed in the impact how many peoples lives have I just affected in a positive way ?
Im sure an intellect more advanced than ours could see many such situations.
Also I am sure that such an intellect needs nothing from me.




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That's a pretty far stretch for an example!
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:58 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
If I meet a stone cold drunk on the street and he asks me for money and I give it to him,( an act of kindness) and he goes staggering across the street and almost gets hit by a car but the car misses him and crashes into a mom and her children who are killed in the impact how many peoples lives have I just affected in a positive way ?
Im sure an intellect more advanced than ours could see many such situations.
Also I am sure that such an intellect needs nothing from me.


Also as the op is pointing out, to do anything to gain acceptance from "God" is to our own personal advantage, so what good is such an act if we are only trying to advance our own situation which is ,in our humanity ,impossible for us not to considerrose
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:59 AM CST
kidatheart wrote:
That's a pretty far stretch for an example!



no it's not rose
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:06 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
If I meet a stone cold drunk on the street and he asks me for money and I give it to him,( an act of kindness) and he goes staggering across the street and almost gets hit by a car but the car misses him and crashes into a mom and her children who are killed in the impact how many peoples lives have I just affected in a positive way ?
Im sure an intellect more advanced than ours could see many such situations.
Also I am sure that such an intellect needs nothing from me.

I was about to agree that ''that intellect'' needed nothing from us, 'cause that's the feeling I always got too, of a being untouchable and almighty.

But actually, I am agnostic and resolved to the idea that I have no way of knowing if anything is there, let alone what the nature of what might be there might be....

But I like to be open to ideas/discussion.

Like I said a few posts ago: What if we are actually all a part of god (which some people on this earth believe)??

Then maybe, yes, god needs our kindness, 'cause our malice only serves to destroy us (as a whole).
Therefore affects god......

Omega, I'm only ''what iffing'' here. I hope you won't take my doubt and questioning as anything else...
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alabamabebe
Banks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:09 AM CST
Is a stupid question to start with. God would not be God if he sentenced people to hell for serving him.

Some that say they serve God will end up in hell. You can serve without loving, but you can't love without serving. Read that on a sign the other day. Didn't really think about what it meant till reading this thread.

It is not enough to serve and do good, with the expectation that our good works will get us to heaven. You must have invited God into your life and heart in order to get to be with him in eternity.
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:10 AM CST
breezee wrote:
I was about to agree that ''that intellect'' needed nothing from us, 'cause that's the feeling I always got too, of a being untouchable and almighty.

But actually, I am agnostic and resolved to the idea that I have no way of knowing if anything is there, let alone what the nature of what might be there might be....

But I like to be open to ideas/discussion.

Like I said a few posts ago: What if we are actually all a part of god (which some people on this earth believe)??

Then maybe, yes, god needs our kindness, 'cause our malice only serves to destroy us (as a whole).
Therefore affects god......

Omega, I'm only ''what iffing'' here. I hope you won't take my doubt and questioning as anything else...

The op is poseing the theory of _ God as fact- I myself believe the universe as a whole is in need of kindness- but mostly we need it with a great amount of wisdom and understanding thrown in hug rose
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:13 AM CST
I'll go on helping others anyway. Not too worried about going to hell.rolling eyes

G'nite Ladieswave
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:13 AM CST
I'll go on helping others anyway. Not too worried about going to hell.rolling eyes

G'nite Ladieswave
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:14 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
The op is poseing the theory of _ God as fact- I myself believe the universe as a whole is in need of kindness- but mostly we need it with a great amount of wisdom and understanding thrown in
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