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Hi Riya,

No I don't think so. I believe that everything that happens to us is based on the decisions we make, right or wrong, and as I said earlier, external factors which we have no control over.

It's very easy to explain away wonderful or sad unexpected happenings in our life as being part of our destiny or fate.

For me it's an expression of speech that people have always used and in the end some begin to believe the literal meaning.

I am predisposed to the idea of fate.

I certainly an living proof "syncronicity" by that fact i am still up and walking around.

We all have free will, and have no excuses for our behaviour other than that we carve out for ourselves in our daily life.

It might be well some great omnipotents great game and scheme, but it's more likely it is his or her are busy doing something else than specifically making sure someone missed the bus or won the lottery.

Coincidence, probability and the rational mind should be the basis of how we live our lives.

Religion is a belief, and no matter how flawed it is in the human beings nature to want to believe in an almighty godhead figure, rather than face the cruel hard reality that we really might just be alone.

I think i was singled out for some reason with my luck.....either i was Pol Pot, or Stalin, or Vlad The Impaler in a previous exsistance.That to me justifies to me why on earth this random bunch of stinking bad luck and shitty coincidences happens to one person!!!

Free will i totally believe in, but i also totally understand aspects such as remote viewing and astral travel but fitted in with our modern framework of psychology and or science they just don't sit comfortably with the orthadox world.

If he is watching upstairs, can i please have a change of luck with some lottery numbers as i would very much like to be in a position to buy a property next month and i have some nice art to pack so now would be a really good time for my luck to change.Hint Hint.

Right there are some things that our actions and decisions can't control...like whether we live or die...One person can be in an accident where they should have died and come out without a scratch and yet someone else can suffer the same and die...There are always going to be unexplained things that happens in out lives...some good and some bad...BUT I think they are all designed to bring us to the place in life where we are suppose to be and to learn the things we are to learn...also to teach the things we are to teach others...

Destiny too. Maybe something better is in store ???

I've had more than several incidents where i shouldn't have survived.From drowning to explosions, to terrorist activity to car accidents.

My guardian angel was overworked and needed a holiday and in the end took early retirement.

Now i'm training as a driving instructor the mob upstairs must be shitting themselves who gets allocated to look after me.....

Life is a journey, its a learning trip, it would just be so much nicer if we could all stand up to face the world with the sun in our faces rather than shackled to a radiator in a basement.

Yeah I hear ya...my first survival stint was at 4 years old when I had a form of menningitis and pnemonia at the same time...they gave me 24 hrs to live before surgury and 48 after...yet I survived...they wrote me up in the medical books in the US cause that's where I was for being the youngest to ever survive that illness...Have had a few close calls since...BUT obviously for some reason I am meant to still be here!!!!!!

Jan how do we know that some of "the external factors" are not actually "happening" to prevent us from continuing on a wrong path or equally to encourage us to stay on it?

Free Will, and Destiny each exist. The two terms may seem mutually exclusive, but that is not necessarily the case. They each exist within a paradoxal continuum. From our perspective confusion arises from a lack of balance.

Now that sounds like something I would have liked to have said but wouldn't have known how to!!!

Hi Flower, I don't know for sure, which was why I said ..."I don't think so...." Equally, your views are simply what you 'believe'. We just don't know. I'm not a spiritual person like you but I'm a good, kind person and that's that.

If, as you maintain, external factors can persuade us to stay on a path which leads to something awful happening, I just can't believe that it is some divine being/destiny however you may label it, intending us to suffer. Why?

It's life, with it's ups and downs nothing more IMHO.

Jan I wasn't meaning that what you were saying was wrong ... I didn't mean that the external factors would keep us on a wrong path, I meant just say " or on a particular path" but I see the way I wrote it sounded like it though ...

And I know and do believe you are a good kind person

What I have experienced in the past, on several occasions is that external factors have made some of my decisions very difficult to carry on and yet I have persevered against all odds rather than give in ... to later discover the decision had not been a good one for me ... So external factors were trying to prevent me from making a mistake ...

Not so long ago I was about to make a big mistake with a life changing decision, but I listened to and paid attention to the external factors and had to wait anyway because everything was being blocked through MANY things I had no controle over (so many that it became unreal) ... it so went on just long enough to give me more time to find out a bit more about "my decision" ... The same day I decided to "change my path away from the life changing decision that I had made " I started getting communications about the "blocked things" and they started getting sorted ... It was quite an amazing experience as after I made new different plans it was the opposite and everything I planned, even unlikely things just fell into place as if by magic ...

Toy Story is a great movie

Hello, here is my take on this question:
To me, Destiny is the un-stoppable forward march into the future. The Journey! Fate is what happens along the way.
Luck?, Well that to me means the OOPS along the way. Sometimes good and some bad!
This is a good question!

I believe in Destiny/fate... that our lives are mapped out for us...

I think some of the external factors (the bad things that turn out to be good pointers in life) come into play to help guide us down the path we are destined to follow... also our goddess within (intuition)helps us. Everything happens for a reason...

the race does not always go to the swiftest,
or the battle to the strongest,
wisdom does not always guarantee wealth ,
nor does intelligence always fill the stomach,
but chance happens to us all,

Beautifully written Omega

Could be all a dream.

Dreams within dreams.

Drama.

Drama within dramas.

Pick a card ... Any card.

Beliefs will play themselves out, ya think?

What we think as 'real life dramas' ........ could be it's not real --

anyway...

There is nothing original - not even the 'Quantum Leaps' that seem so.

JMHO.

There's no such thing as destiny or fate. You have more or less control over your life. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't, but there's no destiny or fate.

Precisely, what i was thinking !!

But if there is free will ... as everybody claims that we are the perpetrators of our own mistakes , will there be a destiny ?

I think " the mistakes we pay for in life " .. the paying part is the destiny to explain roughly ...

To oversimplify, I go through life believing the Man Upstairs carries my playbook.