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An excuse or rather explanation made to suit many a situation and issues in life !!

This thought crept in to my mind while i was reading Rasgumby's post on the two headed dog created for experimental research .. the greater good - breakthro' in grafting !!

But , it is used as a pretext in many facets in life .. politicians and fundamentalists use it alike !! To bring peace you need to clear the evil .. to clear the evil again almost a similar methodology is used as was used when the evil was propagated !!

Give one capital punishment , the others wil learn a lesson ..
Kill innocent people , the others will tremble in fear ..

so lesser evil ... for greater good ... and that " greater good " we decide ourselves , single handed or as groups of people FOR entire humanity / religion / race !!

Is using evil to bring good satanic or noble ?

Justified .. is it ??



A healthy debate ... much appreciated !!

This is one of the fundamental flaws inherent in Democracy or indeed any political system... u have a bunch of people in power.. who are largely disconnected from us, making these 'decisions' and deciding for themselves what is 'good' and what is 'evil' and in the meantime they use propaganda and media manipulation to bring us around to there way of thinking...

I don't think using 'evil' methods to bring about a greater or common good can be justifies... because evil taints everything it touches and gradually robs us of our innocence...

Aries ..

hmm ... Evil taints our innocence .. have to agree !!

But If one is to sayy there is no other solution or way out to solve the problem .. the intent is noble but themeans is again the same ..
do you think it is justified ?

dunno Riya... I tend to be quite suspicious of persons who claim 'noble' reasons for doing evil deeds...

If you are under threat from an evil aggressor then you may have no other option but to defend yourself and use force with force.. in those cases I would think it is understandable ... the difficulty is you get urself intermingled in a cycle that can take generations to remove urself from... like the situation in Northern Ireland.. there is no doubt the reasons behind the conflict could legitimately be claimed to be 'noble'... we as a nation were supressed by the English for generations.. however the resulting struggles went on for generations afterwards.. and it will take several generations more to reverse the effects of the poison...

It is a true dilemma Riya... and a very difficult question to answer .

The problem is the way we think Riya... (mankind that is).. its all very well one party advocating peaceful means.. the difficulty is the other party may not speak you language...

Lovely post Aries !!!

The viscious cycle is truly scary cso to end it one has to accept solace and truce .. if revenge or avenge is the motto , it is fairly difficult !!

And if the language is different which usually is the case .. as the victim speaks the language of pain , it is difficult to either pacify or find a solution !!

I saw your post a couple of hours ago and I really didn't have an answer or comment. I still don't have an answer per say but it seems to me there are times when people may see neither good nor evil in their methods and only see the good which may come from it.

For instance, stem cell research has great possibilities in finding new ways to treat diseases, injuries, etc... That's the good side but the bad is that some see this as killing one life to help another. Personally, I don't see this as an issue or see it as evil but I am sure others do.

The same goes for other issues like birth control, abortion, death penalt, war, etc... All have their own pros and cons and are looked at as either good or evil depending on ones individual set of values or perspective which brings me to my point. Perspective and individual values are what I feel are really the key. If someone does not see an issue or method to solving a problem as evil then there really is no need to categorize it as either noble or satanic, it is just a means to a desired end.

On the other hand. If someone is doing something they feel or know is a violation of their own values system with hopes of doing some good then I can't see how they could ever justify it as noble

Anyway... JMHO

Thanks Sparky .. i understand there isnt much to comment on this one

Maybe not but it does provoke thought. I hope you didn't take my post to mean anything negative. I always enjoy your your posts.

ohh noo .. definitely not and Thankyou.

It does provoke thought and the fact that its difficult to make a comment on makes one think harder .. so purpose achieved ..

There is actually a whole lot to comment about this topic. The problem is that so many people have fundamentally different political, social and religious beliefs that is is hard to look at the deeper issues and find a common ground. World wide people have a lot of things in common but those commonalities are tough to get to because of language and cultural barriers. I feel that there is some type of common thread or cosmic trigger that we, as humans, need to pinpoint. If we can do that all things will set up to inherently benefit the whole of humankind. Which, in turn, takes away the need to look for the lesser of 2 evils.

makes sense .. i need to think on this one ..

The way to clear evil is by confronting it and obliterating it.

Racism, exploitation, mass murder, political expediency...there all evil...and some are done in our name on a regular basis.

But confronting as such in the methods adopted in todays times would involve violence , killing and turmoil... viscious wouldnt it be ???

That has potential but based on our current state it will probably not happen any time soon if ever.

Still, you're right about this thread it can definately be explored further.

Like for ex:

Abortion - yes it is lesser evil for a greater good ( in a broader sense )
War - supposedly lesser evil !!

All of us disguise our act under the premise of noble intentions ...
Abuse , Discrimination , violence name it and there is a greater cause !!!

War in thename of God.. also foughtin the name of greater good .. to redeem their people of the burden of worldly life .. to walk in to the doors of heaven ..

To cull an innocent if justifiable in the eyes of the parent , spouse or law .. is again lesser evil ..

my point is ... If Good is what is being aimed at .. is lesser evil the only way around it ?????

Maybe we arent trying enough ...

Sparky55 wrote:
That has potential but based on our current state it will probably not happen any time soon if ever.

Still, you're right about this thread it can definately be explored further





I'm not sure if it is a matter of trying or not trying. As strange as it sounds, it mearly be a matter of each individual taking responsibility for his/her own actions, thoughts, and emotions. If we all take time to look into our own hearts and live with love as our motivation, then maybe that is enough to show others through our example. That message has been taught for centuries by all spiritual leaders, philosophers, and visionaries. I feel that it is important at this time in history to really pay attention to those teachings. Maybe it's not to late for us to change.

You may be right or maybe the opposite is true and we are trying too hard.

It just seems we find ourselves in a situation where our diversity in religeous, cultural, racial and other areas is both our greatest strength and greatest weakness. We have been at war with ourselves since the beginning of time and we are not ready to get along and understand one another.

As an example, As I type this I am sitting in a small country of about 500,000 people and elections are set for next Saturday. This country is divided right down the middle and there is potential for problems regardless of which side wins. This is a small country, with about 98% being of the same race, cultural background and religeon yet there is discord and in some cases hate for the opposing side. And these are what I have always considered some very good, friendly people and most of the big differences (religeon, race, etc..) are not really players in this election.

If we can't find some kind of a common ground in a country the size of this, where there are so many common traits then I think it's very unlikely we will ever find a common ground on a global level at least anytime soon.

I think we have a lot more crawling to do before we can ever consider walking.

Think globally, act locally

"we have been at war with ourselves" -- color , race , creed , religion are but excuses to get as superficial as we possibly can !!

Just like your town is divided over the elections .. its a tendency to be divided over the good so far that goodness itself is quite questionable many a times ..

Our politicians .. think of the good for their country but only till they win or a little beyond ..

Ultimately .. the little realisaton has to churn the soul inside us first ...each one as bama mentions has individual responsibility to try to improvise and not add to the existing mess around ..