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Hey, isn't this judge "bashing our country"?

What that usually means is that an aspect of our culture and government is being criticized. The judge is doing exactly that, so he's guilty of what he's accusing others of.

THe point is that one person's "bashing" is another person's patriotism. Am I unpatriotic for pointing out that our government is constantly eroding individual and civil rights? For engaging in empire building?

I agree with you there,but the fact is this,it is not that simple,you are dealing with a human making a judgment on another human being,if the formula was as follows:analyze,calculate MINUS the emotion then the verdict of whatever the judgment may be would be simple but you have the fact that a mere human is making the calls,it is not so simple as that.jmo

No you are not and the fact that you have a country that allows you to make that statement should tell you everything,our gov is way beyond perfect to say the least and we have a lot of fixing and mending to do but it can't be done overnight but we as Americans have to stand strong,no matter, otherwise we give our country no chance in he$$.jmo

Actually the US law is supposedly based on Judeo-Christian law, dates back to the Magna Carta in England. The Ten commandments are supposed to be the fundamental laws behind the courts decisions. A judge is suppose to interpret the law and make sure his courtroom is ran in this manner, but the reason we have Judges was set up to throw in the "human factor".

Now you can argue about a few of the commandments not seperating Church from state.
1) Thou shalt have no God before me. - The founding fathers were religiious. They just did not believe in "religious persecution" Atheists and others have argued that GOD should not be incorporated in the law. I would invite you to read "Brave New World" where God is removed, all crosses are converted to T's and the Henry Ford is worshiped instead. Is this not the structure of the Communist nations? Look at pollution going on in China right now and the pollution that went on in Eastern Europe with no checks.
2) Thou shalt honor thy mother and thy father. - Well I guess since the courts allow minor children to sue their parents - well all right then - thats the law.

My problem with that, Irish is that, maybe I don't think a belief in God or the Ten Commandments is such a good thing. (I'm not saying that, by the way.) What if I am agnostic or atheist or have some other religious beliefs? Am I not entitled in this free country to be judged by someone who is not using their religious beliefs against me?

I agree, Jeff.

WHOA !

Bravo !

Well said young lass, the separation of Church and state is a must.
I am not a religious person, but I don't need a book concocted over 2000 years to tell me how to be a good person let alone a good American.
Besides man likes to tell stories , I think something has been actually lost over time .
And that possibly the facts of those stories may have slipped into fiction.

Why you sure are entitled to your beliefs,isn't that cool how America let's you do this and feel this way,I would say you were blessed,you would say?.......you have good luck? hmm.jmo

My point is, that he should not be using the Ten Commandments in his courtroom, for any reason. If I am going to be judged by the Ten Commandments, it damn well better be by God and not some judge.

btw, I'm playing devils advocate here. I was raised southern baptist in Alabama. I don't agree with everything I was taught in church growing up, though. I wouldn't go that far.

It's all good.

oh ho! a southern baptist,yes me too,I was actually born in the capitol of alabama,I don't believe what all the book has to offer,it was written by wise men anyway that is why I am not christian,nor can claim that title,but it is just my different beliefs from what christians believe,I have that choice and I choose to say I am blessed with it is all,this was supposed to be a nice discussion,not a bashing party,so let's,party that is and believe what we want to believe because we can

Do you think we've been bashing sweetie? Sorry. Was never my intention. As for religion, I probably believe about like you do.

[quote=dcj22]I'm also a spiritual person and actually, was raised in Alabama. I like the poem, but I disagreed all along with Judge Moore posting the Ten Commandments in his courtroom because this is a country that is supposed to separate church and state. As a judge, Judge Moore knows this. It seems obvious to me that by posting the Ten Commandments, Judge Moore was saying "This is what I use to guide my judgements, not the constitution of the US."[/quote]



It is so obvious too me, as well

yea I got that,I won't post no we have been having a discussion and that is all it is,we are good and we can agree to disagree and still at the end of the day sit down for a drink,come on girlfriend let's go for that drink

Law is Law ... Especially in Criminal Justice, period.

if people and cort rooms are not sutisfied with the recent Law .... they have to talk to a Minister of Justice in case to point that any changes needs to be made.

I agree with you,but you are not basing it on reality and that is that a HUMAN is making the decisions here not a computer that has no emotion,facts are facts.Thank you though for you input it is always welcome

I am an American. I have the "RIGHT" to bash America today, politicians and government in general. If you ain't an American, mind your own damn business please..

This country wasn't founded on "Christian beliefs." It was founded on the principle of freedom and individual rights.

That's why a great judge is Judge who works on case in cold blood. Who trusts to proven facts.

I hope you know Jugde Judy, she is the best ( well she is not criminal court Judge though ...) but i do admire her attitude and professionalims

It's a fairly recent addition to the original Pledge of Allegiance (which said nothing about God, authored in late 1800s), passed in COngress in the mid-fifties. Nothing to do with the founders' intent - rather, opposes it - and is logically unConstitutional.

All its inclusion proves is that certain powerful people can find a way to manifest their personal religious beliefs into law at times. Eisenhower was a religious man and so were enough members of US Congress at that time to pass this special-interest legislation. This doesn't demonstrate it was right or justified.