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If we could all be judge judy maybe we would all get along huh? because she says so,but too she also has emotion but she is the best on tv anyway

uh,simma down,this is only a discussion not to go to war with,we are individuals with beliefs of our own and that is the beauty of forums and cs is to allow us to share with others,and others culturals are always welcome,that is our America for you.I plan to visit the U.K.in the next month or two and am looking forward to the differences,awesome chance for me to grow inside

Let's start with you claim about the Magna Carta. In a nutshell, the Magna Carta was an article that challenged the rights of kings, and is known most famously for its right of Habeas Corpus - which concern citizens' rights against unlawful imprisonment. Clearly, the Ten Commandments contain nothing about such matters.

If we're going to attribute the problems in China or other totalitarian nations to "godlessness," then logical consistency requires that we also attribute the problems in predominately religious countries to "godness." I think it's fairly common knowledge that theocracies are not known - either now or in the past - for their quality of justice and human rights. Shall we blame the Spanish Inquisition on belief in God?

Those of you who pine for religious intrusion into goverment should consider more carefully what you're truly wishing for - namely, a theocracy. You're pining for a government that tells us what to believe. Even if it tells us to believe (through force of law) what you wish for us to believe - that is, Christianity, in this case - you perhaps should also consider that there isn't merely one form of Christianity - that even many Chrisitians differ in their interpretations of God's word.

But a state-run religion will have to settle on one correct version - and it may very well not be yours, but rather that of a select few people in power at the time.

It seems all have the right to let their belief system be known and adhered to in the US except christians- also we dont have a common bond in this country or even a commom cause these are things that keep a country strong and with out these things a country becomes
divided and "a house divided can not stand" enough complaining from me about it , Even if all we can say is we have a common country, at least we can say we are all fortunate enough to be Americans, to live a life that is basically free ,and have opportunities in this country that some in other countries can only dream of and will never know.
I am thankful to be an American.

as a fellow American

I like this poem a lot miss Irish.

why thank you my butt,....I mean er mr.joel was just sharing is all,for those like to choose to believe anyway

Yeah,I know.I just like to butt in whenever I come here.

Native American also. Have tomahawk and lookin for scalps..

"in god we trust" wasn't used until Lincoln and the printing of the pirst "Greenback" Paper money.

Thas phrase was not in the constitution nor the Bill of rights.

The country is based on the fight against government religion and taxation without representation.

Not God.

For a Judge to disregard this makes him a biased fool.

well I certainly won't hold you back not with that tomahawk

So you guys have ministers in your legal system?

But the "CREATOR" was acknowledged in the Declaration of Independance.

Is it your intent to misrepresent events? Or is that merely a sign of you being uninformed?

Moore was removed because he violated the laws of Alabama. The judges who removed Moore were fundamentalist christians who put the constitution ahead of their religion, just as the conservative christian (and Bush appointee) Judge John Jones did in Pennsylvania during the trial on creationism in schools. The lawsuit by the ACLU (2001) preceded Moore's idolatry (2003), never reached court and was dropped. Claiming it is still pending is a sign of dishonesty or being uninformed.

I find it highly amusing that the most fervently religious are the worst idolators - stone engravings of the "ten commandments", putting "in god we trust" on money, megachurches, placing crosses on public land, etc. It should embarass you that a foreigner knows your laws and constitution - and religious texts, for that matter - better than you do. One wonders if it does.


<i>"Senator [Nancy Jacobs], when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."</i>
- Jamie Raskin, Professor of Law at American University, March 1 2006

thats a good argument kj12345 ! i'm looking forward to religious responses to that answer in the meanwhile i've a question for you that i posted today ..........................

if angel fell from the sky ( or a demon came up from under the ground) !
and said to you "its your lucky day" and grant you one wish out of a choice of twenty what one would you chose ? and why ?

first ten choices

1. to live for as long as you want to live for
2.a chance to be somebody else
3.your dream relationship with what you regard as being any superier being
4.to be loved the way you've always wanted to be loved by one person only
5, to be respected the way you always wanted to be respected by one person only
6,to be given as much power in society as you,ve always wanted
7. to make one change to this world that would make you happy
8.your dream romantic partner
9,total inner peace ,,,i repeat total inner peace
10. 20 million pounds

extra ten choices

11. to be able to fly a bird swimm like a dolphin or run like a cheetah
12. a trip around the universe where you see EVERYTHING for as long as you want to without ageing during the trip !...then be taken back to planet earth in the same time zone that you left in
13. to become a different species of life on planet earth and no longer be a human being
14.to just live on another planet with no human beings present
15.to become god
16.to have all the mysteries of life the universe and your purpose of being finally explained to you.. but be given nothing else !
17. to get back the love you lost by talking back the clock and changing history for you
18.to stop all the bashing on connectingsingles and get rid of ' the people bashers ' ( that had nothing real to say for themselves but plenty about other people )
19. to guarantee you hope and happiness for the rest of your life ( nothing else just hope and happiness )!
20.to guarantee you all the sex you want in life with who or those you want to have it with !



now be honest and tell us which one you would choose ? ...and why ?

And yet Jesus abolished the ten commandments!! He gave us only two to live by!!

Think on this...if our laws are based upon the ten commandments, they are unconstitutional. The ten commandments are written in the jewish lawbooks...if we let our laws follow that, we are establishing the jewish faith as that which governs our country. We are "establishinh" Judaism as our law maker.

We must not let any laws be established uopn any book that has a religious connotation.

Please remember, that our fore-fathers did not found this great nation on the Chriatian faith....it was founded on FREEDOM OF RELIGION. And, I believe, freedom FROM religion

Freedom doesn't lie in the "Right To Agree",but in the "Right To Disagree"
Were a Government to Endorse or Establising a Religion,that Right would have been negated.

amuse yourself all you like, I posted the poem that he wrote and I do believe it and he was bullied out of office for your info as far as our country is concerned we have freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion, now go laugh at that why don't you and quit bothering me with things you find amusing and things like your thoughts? are trivial to me and do not merit amuse, thank you and have a good day.

Whether you are talking Gods law or mans law this applies to both.
The law without the spirit of the law is a steal trap set to kill whoever may fall on it .
the law with the spirit of the law ( hopefully) is made to, enforce to cause change. jmo


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