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My America

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irishlass45
Bristol England/Texas USA, Texas USA
Posted: Mar 24, 2008, 11:40 PM CST
omega1036 wrote:
Hey lady it is your thread, and I will apologize and walk away if necessary, You seem to have a far more copious way about you, than I have been able to muster, although I have apologized and still been left on a thread talking to my self

Having a good night?

Well I deffo feel humbled at being described as that, thank you. I assure you it would not bother me to talk to myself most times since I seem to be the one who understands me bestrolling on the floor laughing but keep posting because I respect your views as well as others we just tend to skip along the same line, so let's rock on gf!head banger oops, sorry the leo/virgo comming outgiggle hug lips
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 24, 2008, 11:42 PM CST
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drivenbysound
Poplar Bluff, Missouri USA
Posted: Mar 24, 2008, 11:43 PM CST
irishlass45 wrote:
Well I deffo feel humbled at being described as that, thank you. I assure you it would not bother me to talk to myself most times since I seem to be the one who understands me best but keep posting because I respect your views as well as others we just tend to skip along the same line, so let's rock on gf! oops, sorry the leo/virgo comming out


I knew you had to be a Leo.

frustrated

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irishlass45
Bristol England/Texas USA, Texas USA
Posted: Mar 24, 2008, 11:45 PM CST
drivenbysound wrote:
I knew you had to be a Leo.

oh look a whatever!rolling on the floor laughing I am leo/virgo I cusp
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tryandcatchme72
corning, New York USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 12:23 AM CST
To run the court system with no human emotion is Ludacris! Maybe we should get rid of all Judges and have our court be nothing more then a computer. We have the know how, just program a computer feed the information of the crime into the computer, and accept the fine or time you need to pay. You won't need a lawyer! there is no arguing to a computer. You did something that was a mistake you didn't mean to do it, it was an accident. Plead with the murcy of the court, Oh yeah there is no mercy you did it go to jail! next. While we are at it lets go a step further. Why do we need a president or any poloticians lets just program a computer to run the country? We wont have to be concerned with a computers back ground, or the back ground of the computers family. Never was there a computer that smoked pot but just did not inhale! Never has a computer lied to the public never did it cheat on it's wife. Don't we want the country to be run with no emotion or feelings?
But before you start making software to replace our judges better think do you want to take your son or daughter back to court and have that slap on the wrist revoked and found guilty? How many people have been in court for one reason or another, and felt that if they had gotten the extent of what the law could give it would have been a lot worse? Are you ready to go back and face a computer that can not see in your face how sorry and scared you are, a computer that is not going to give you any chance of walking out with out paying for what you did?
I am starting to see here a very bad sifi movie. Ok so thats an axageration, or is it? Is not the governor of CA the Terminator? Wasn't that world run by emotionless computers?
The basic artical here though is the 10 commandments in a court room. Ok so with it being there, half the population does not believe that God has any buisness in the courts.
Tell me how many people did it fall down on and leave brain dammaged? How many people did it bite? If you don't beleive in them the don't read them! Simple! you say it infringes on your right on what you believe or don't. I don't see how? And what about the other half of the people who do believe? You can beleive what you like and if they ofend you don't look at them! the other half who does beleive, where it wont bite you or cause you harm, for them it maybe there one shred of hope. Arnt we infringing on the beleivers more?
I personally don't know that I beleive in God, but the 10 comandments does not ofend me, And I guess if it did I would turn my head away from them. But I will fight for the rights of all that does beleive. They have the right to see them and give them hope!
And one last question? It is ok to fire a judge for not wanting to take down the 10 comandments, But havn't you overlooked the fact that you are sworn in and beleived to be telling the truth only because you have sworn with you hand on the bible that you will? Why should it be right, a judge be taken from the bench for not removing the 10 comandments and the judge who takes over allows you to swear on a bible isn't that a little hypocritical????
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 12:42 AM CST
tryandcatchme

You go girl cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering

that was worth the whole cheerleading squad!rose
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tryandcatchme72
corning, New York USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 12:44 AM CST
j_goose71 wrote:
In God We Trust didn't become a part of anything until well over one hundred years after the Constitution, the Declaration of independence, and the Bill of Rights.

Check your history.

Religious freedom is just that. Freedom.

Saying "God" is hypocritical to the idea of the first ammendment.

What if I worship Bhudda, Zeus, Ra, or even myself?


All of the above is God! A higher being a greater force Maybe with different names but just the same a God!

I never said dates were accurate, but the principal remains the same.
I don't even remember mentioning a date!
What I said is it is there! And the spirit has been there even long before anyone but the indians came to America.
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 12:48 AM CST
tryandcatchme72 wrote:
To run the court system with no human emotion is Ludacris! Maybe we should get rid of all Judges and have our court be nothing more then a computer. We have the know how, just program a computer feed the information of the crime into the computer, and accept the fine or time you need to pay. You won't need a lawyer! there is no arguing to a computer. You did something that was a mistake you didn't mean to do it, it was an accident. Plead with the murcy of the court, Oh yeah there is no mercy you did it go to jail! next. While we are at it lets go a step further. Why do we need a president or any poloticians lets just program a computer to run the country? We wont have to be concerned with a computers back ground, or the back ground of the computers family. Never was there a computer that smoked pot but just did not inhale! Never has a computer lied to the public never did it cheat on it's wife. Don't we want the country to be run with no emotion or feelings?
But before you start making software to replace our judges better think do you want to take your son or daughter back to court and have that slap on the wrist revoked and found guilty? How many people have been in court for one reason or another, and felt that if they had gotten the extent of what the law could give it would have been a lot worse? Are you ready to go back and face a computer that can not see in your face how sorry and scared you are, a computer that is not going to give you any chance of walking out with out paying for what you did?
I am starting to see here a very bad sifi movie. Ok so thats an axageration, or is it? Is not the governor of CA the Terminator? Wasn't that world run by emotionless computers?
The basic artical here though is the 10 commandments in a court room. Ok so with it being there, half the population does not believe that God has any buisness in the courts.
Tell me how many people did it fall down on and leave brain dammaged? How many people did it bite? If you don't beleive in them the don't read them! Simple! you say it infringes on your right on what you believe or don't. I don't see how? And what about the other half of the people who do believe? You can beleive what you like and if they ofend you don't look at them! the other half who does beleive, where it wont bite you or cause you harm, for them it maybe there one shred of hope. Arnt we infringing on the beleivers more?
I personally don't know that I beleive in God, but the 10 comandments does not ofend me, And I guess if it did I would turn my head away from them. But I will fight for the rights of all that does beleive. They have the right to see them and give them hope!
And one last question? It is ok to fire a judge for not wanting to take down the 10 comandments, But havn't you overlooked the fact that you are sworn in and beleived to be telling the truth only because you have sworn with you hand on the bible that you will? Why should it be right, a judge be taken from the bench for not removing the 10 comandments and the judge who takes over allows you to swear on a bible isn't that a little hypocritical????



There are a lot of people who don't believe in god/jesus and couldn't care less if it was a bible or a restaraunt menu they had their hand on.laugh
What about people of different faiths? Maybe they should have a Q'ran or the Talmud in the courtroom too.

Not sure I like the idea of a computer running things but I've yet to hear of one coming to work with a hangover, pissed off or tired of the system and all that it entails.rolling eyes
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 12:53 AM CST
tryandcatchme72 wrote:
To run the court system with no human emotion is Ludacris! Maybe we should get rid of all Judges and have our court be nothing more then a computer. We have the know how, just program a computer feed the information of the crime into the computer, and accept the fine or time you need to pay. You won't need a lawyer! there is no arguing to a computer. You did something that was a mistake you didn't mean to do it, it was an accident. Plead with the murcy of the court, Oh yeah there is no mercy you did it go to jail! next. While we are at it lets go a step further. Why do we need a president or any poloticians lets just program a computer to run the country? We wont have to be concerned with a computers back ground, or the back ground of the computers family. Never was there a computer that smoked pot but just did not inhale! Never has a computer lied to the public never did it cheat on it's wife. Don't we want the country to be run with no emotion or feelings?
But before you start making software to replace our judges better think do you want to take your son or daughter back to court and have that slap on the wrist revoked and found guilty? How many people have been in court for one reason or another, and felt that if they had gotten the extent of what the law could give it would have been a lot worse? Are you ready to go back and face a computer that can not see in your face how sorry and scared you are, a computer that is not going to give you any chance of walking out with out paying for what you did?
I am starting to see here a very bad sifi movie. Ok so thats an axageration, or is it? Is not the governor of CA the Terminator? Wasn't that world run by emotionless computers?
The basic artical here though is the 10 commandments in a court room. Ok so with it being there, half the population does not believe that God has any buisness in the courts.
Tell me how many people did it fall down on and leave brain dammaged? How many people did it bite? If you don't beleive in them the don't read them! Simple! you say it infringes on your right on what you believe or don't. I don't see how? And what about the other half of the people who do believe? You can beleive what you like and if they ofend you don't look at them! the other half who does beleive, where it wont bite you or cause you harm, for them it maybe there one shred of hope. Arnt we infringing on the beleivers more?
I personally don't know that I beleive in God, but the 10 comandments does not ofend me, And I guess if it did I would turn my head away from them. But I will fight for the rights of all that does beleive. They have the right to see them and give them hope!
And one last question? It is ok to fire a judge for not wanting to take down the 10 comandments, But havn't you overlooked the fact that you are sworn in and beleived to be telling the truth only because you have sworn with you hand on the bible that you will? Why should it be right, a judge be taken from the bench for not removing the 10 comandments and the judge who takes over allows you to swear on a bible isn't that a little hypocritical????



You don't have to be a computer to be an impartial thinker....What you do have to do is base guilt and innocence on fact...evidence and how it relates to the law....and the deciding factor whether the case has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt....Those are the main principles of the law it'self...other wise why have laws and not just opinion on guilt or innocence....Justice sees no race...religion...creed or colour....that's why it's said to be blind...So I don't see why the 10 commandments are pertinent because law it'self recognizes religion...only so far as protecting people's rights to it...and that's all religions!!!!!!!!!


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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:16 AM CST
only so far as protecting people's rights to it...and that's all religions!!!!!!!!!

really then why was the judge not allowed to have his 10csrose
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:26 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
only so far as protecting people's rights to it...and that's all religions!!!!!!!!!

really then why was the judge not allowed to have his 10cs



Because the law it'self...is representative of all people and not just people who believe in the 10 commandments....As indvidual...he would have every right to hang his 10 commandments....BUT not in a place that is required to uphold the principles of law....which has no religion.....wine
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:32 AM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
Because the law it'self...is representative of all people and not just people who believe in the 10 commandments....As indvidual...he would have every right to hang his 10 commandments....BUT not in a place that is required to uphold the principles of law....which has no religion.....


Yes that is a very reasonable answer, thumbs up rose
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:35 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
Yes that is a very reasonable answer,
thanks H&Ks


No problem....I know it's hard to seperate the 2 when you don't have the background...I'm a paralegal and it took me awhile to grasp the fact that I am not there to judge but to represent someone to the best of my ability because everyone is innocent until proven guilty and entitled to the best defense possible regardless!!!!!!!!!!


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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:39 AM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
No problem....I know it's hard to seperate the 2 when you don't have the background...I'm a paralegal and it took me awhile to grasp the fact that I am not there to judge but to represent someone to the best of my ability because everyone is innocent until proven guilty and entitled to the best defense possible regardless!!!!!!!!!!


Yes and sometimes I think that believers get too offended or feel
like they are being singled out , but thank God we are in America and do all have these rights. rose
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:42 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
Yes and sometimes I think that believers get too offended or feel
like they are being singled out , but thank God we are in America and do all have these rights.



Yes...they just have to remember that there are many different kinds of believers and that America has laws to protect and respect them all....teddy bear
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alabamabebe
Banks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:51 AM CST
He could have had it, just not in the way that he wanted to display it. He could have displayed the ten commandmants as part of adisplay of historical documents that our laws are based on, but he wouldn't have that.

Roy Moore is a fraud and a hypocrite, IMO, and just used the issue and made a bigger deal out of it than it would have been, thinking it would win him votes. It back-fired on him. He made this huge monument and had it installed in the courthouse under cover of darkness, knowing that it would be against the law. If a judge can't abide by the law, even if he doesn't like it or agree with it, he has no business being a judge. He's not for religious freedom, he's for freedom for himself to do whatever he wants to do. He also made a statement that he wouldn't allow a Muslim to give an opening prayer in his court, but he wants that right for himself.

I've been following this for several years, before the rest of the country even knew who he was. I thought he was genuine at first. As a matter of fact, he did have the ten commandments in his courtroom for years, when he was just an appointed county judge. It wasn't until he was running for a judgeship that it became an issue. He made it one.

He's the worst kind of politician, one who panders to the fears and biases of the lowest common denominator of the society he is in. Not someone that Christians should hold up as a role model. He is like the hypocrites that Jesus said not to be like, praying in the streets to be seen by others, they already have their reward.
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 1:58 AM CST
alabamabebe wrote:
He could have had it, just not in the way that he wanted to display it. He could have displayed the ten commandmants as part of adisplay of historical documents that our laws are based on, but he wouldn't have that.

Roy Moore is a fraud and a hypocrite, IMO, and just used the issue and made a bigger deal out of it than it would have been, thinking it would win him votes. It back-fired on him. He made this huge monument and had it installed in the courthouse under cover of darkness, knowing that it would be against the law. If a judge can't abide by the law, even if he doesn't like it or agree with it, he has no business being a judge. He's not for religious freedom, he's for freedom for himself to do whatever he wants to do. He also made a statement that he wouldn't allow a Muslim to give an opening prayer in his court, but he wants that right for himself.

I've been following this for several years, before the rest of the country even knew who he was. I thought he was genuine at first. As a matter of fact, he did have the ten commandments in his courtroom for years, when he was just an appointed county judge. It wasn't until he was running for a judgeship that it became an issue. He made it one.

He's the worst kind of politician, one who panders to the fears and biases of the lowest common denominator of the society he is in. Not someone that Christians should hold up as a role model. He is like the hypocrites that Jesus said not to be like, praying in the streets to be seen by others, they already have their reward.



I agree with:

If a judge can't abide by the law, even if he doesn't like it or agree with it, he has no business being a judge. He's not for religious freedom, he's for freedom for himself to do whatever he wants to do. He also made a statement that he wouldn't allow a Muslim to give an opening prayer in his court, but he wants that right for himself.


No he doesn't have any business and the election process could be the reason why you see judges like him who are only in it for the power!!!!!!!!!!


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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:06 AM CST
Hey I was totally in the dark about him I followed this a little when it first happened, but never followed through thanxrose
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alabamabebe
Banks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 2:16 AM CST
omega1036 wrote:
Hey I was totally in the dark about him I followed this a little when it first happened, but never followed through thanx


Ah, if you were in AL when all this was going on, you couldn't help but follow it, that's all they talked about on the news for a while. As I said, I thought he was genuine at first too, but the bigger deal he made out of it, the more I started to doubt his motives. It was just a little plaque on the wall at first, then when he turned it into that huge stone monument that's touring the country now, he totally turned me off.
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Zarah
dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Mar 25, 2008, 3:10 AM CST
Justice and fairness, not religion or atheism...Are needful for the protection of any state
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