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Obama for President #3

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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 6:32 PM CST
gorgeous210 wrote:
Ya....So....Great job..

Okay Meg,T'ain't funny anymore!rolling on the floor laughing
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gorgeous210
Galway, Galway Ireland
Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 6:40 PM CST
Whoes Laughing. confused Meg wooohooooyay yay yay
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 6:52 PM CST
gorgeous210 wrote:
Whoes Laughing. Meg wooohoooo
grin rolling on the floor laughing cool !!!
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gorgeous210
Galway, Galway Ireland
Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 6:55 PM CST


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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 8:37 PM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
don't expect my participation often in here






Please don't make promises you won't keep dropping jaw grin
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 8:52 PM CST
Since Dude won't respond..... Do you know if Kurt Westergaard is okay, Conrad?
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Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 9:21 PM CST
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Indyfella
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Posted: Mar 20, 2008, 9:26 PM CST


This thread is about love, peace, hope and change. blushing
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TTom50
Orlando, Florida USA
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 12:16 AM CST
Indy.........I have not heard one comment on my Obama change and hope cheer. rmartin said you were going to be all over it.....I think his quote was.
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HJFinAZ
Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 12:44 AM CST
Indyfella wrote:
This thread is about love, peace, hope and change.


Maybe his "spiritual advisor", the Rev. Wright should post in this thread. He appears to be such a "loving" preacher..rolling on the floor laughing

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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 5:10 AM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Since Dude won't respond..... Do you know if Kurt Westergaard is okay, Conrad?

Don't look too good.
Whole of Europe is caving in,but is having the Guts to tell others what to do.
Chamberlain has Reincarnated wholesale.

The Vatican joins the fight against free speech


Yesterday the Vatican joined the al-Azhar university in Cairo in condemning the republication of Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard’s depiction of Muhammed with a bomb in his turban, but the Catholic state and the supreme institution of Islam in the Sunni world didn’t say a word about the foiled plot to kill Westergaard, who has been in hiding since November last year.

”Both sides vehemently denounce the reprinting of the offensive cartoon and the attack on Islam and its prophet,” the two sides said in a joint statement according to IslamOnline.

The cartoon was republished by 17 danish newspapers two weeks ago in an act of solidarity with the 72 year old cartoonist.

”We call for the respect of faiths, religious holy books and religious symbols,” read the statement.

”Freedom of expression should not become a pretext to insult religions and defaming religious sanctities.”

I guess the denunciation was heard in the kindergarten, where Kurt Westergaard’s wife Gitte is working. Today she received a call from the director asking her not to show up at work. A spokesman for the authorities in charge of child care in the county said that the decision to kick out Ms. Westergaard was made after several parents expressed worries for the safety of their kids.

”I am angry, dissappointed and sad. The threats are against my husband. There is no security problem concerning me,” Gitte Westergaard told Jyllands-Posten.

”I understand that some parents may feel insecure, but I would never work at a kindergarten, if I had the slightest suspicion or knowledge that this would represent a risk to the kids or my colleagues.”

Congratulations to the Vatican and Al-Azhar. This kindergarten have really shown them the kind of respect they are craving for. It’s the hells angels’ code of ethics: If you don’t respect me I’ll kill you. Or if you don’t respect me I’ll scare the hell out of anymore who’s in touch with you so that they will cut off any contact with you. And it’s working: due to security concerns the Westergaards were kicked out of the Radisson hotel in Aarhus last week.

And by the way: al-Azhar is a university practicing institutional apartheid. The institution is banned for Jews and Copts, not only the department of theology, but also medicine, economics and agriculture. And speaking about offending religious sensibilities: al-Azhar has shown no willingness to abandon the part of the sharia providing Muslims with the obligation to insult non-Muslims’ religious feelings, while at the same time insisting that non-Muslims offending Muslims’ religious sensibilities should be punished.

How does this correspond with the joint declaration?


Small wonder they want a Weak Pres in the US.
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 5:24 AM CST
Really started this Thread,because I tried to post inthe Old One,and I got the Message it had been locked.
So I started this one for the Debate to continue.
Was even about 10 minutes ahead of the Dude's new thread.
Got him all HUFFED up.
Well,that's his problemprofessor rolling on the floor laughing
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 5:35 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Don't look too good.
Whole of Europe is caving in,but is having the Guts to tell others what to do.
Chamberlain has Reincarnated wholesale.

The Vatican joins the fight against free speechYesterday the Vatican joined the al-Azhar university in Cairo in condemning the republication of Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard’s depiction of Muhammed with a bomb in his turban, but the Catholic state and the supreme institution of Islam in the Sunni world didn’t say a word about the foiled plot to kill Westergaard, who has been in hiding since November last year.

”Both sides vehemently denounce the reprinting of the offensive cartoon and the attack on Islam and its prophet,” the two sides said in a joint statement according to IslamOnline.

The cartoon was republished by 17 danish newspapers two weeks ago in an act of solidarity with the 72 year old cartoonist.

”We call for the respect of faiths, religious holy books and religious symbols,” read the statement.

”Freedom of expression should not become a pretext to insult religions and defaming religious sanctities.”

I guess the denunciation was heard in the kindergarten, where Kurt Westergaard’s wife Gitte is working. Today she received a call from the director asking her not to show up at work. A spokesman for the authorities in charge of child care in the county said that the decision to kick out Ms. Westergaard was made after several parents expressed worries for the safety of their kids.

”I am angry, dissappointed and sad. The threats are against my husband. There is no security problem concerning me,” Gitte Westergaard told Jyllands-Posten.

”I understand that some parents may feel insecure, but I would never work at a kindergarten, if I had the slightest suspicion or knowledge that this would represent a risk to the kids or my colleagues.”

Congratulations to the Vatican and Al-Azhar. This kindergarten have really shown them the kind of respect they are craving for. It’s the hells angels’ code of ethics: If you don’t respect me I’ll kill you. Or if you don’t respect me I’ll scare the hell out of anymore who’s in touch with you so that they will cut off any contact with you. And it’s working: due to security concerns the Westergaards were kicked out of the Radisson hotel in Aarhus last week.

And by the way: al-Azhar is a university practicing institutional apartheid. The institution is banned for Jews and Copts, not only the department of theology, but also medicine, economics and agriculture. And speaking about offending religious sensibilities: al-Azhar has shown no willingness to abandon the part of the sharia providing Muslims with the obligation to insult non-Muslims’ religious feelings, while at the same time insisting that non-Muslims offending Muslims’ religious sensibilities should be punished.

How does this correspond with the joint declaration?Small wonder they want a Weak Pres in the US.


Maybe the Danish govt will just turn over Kurt Westergaard and his wife to the terrorist...it sounds like that would bring peace and hope to the Danish community. Worse that could happen is a couple of be-headings. Hell, freedom of speech means nothing....
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 6:58 AM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Maybe the Danish govt will just turn over Kurt Westergaard and his wife to the terrorist...it sounds like that would bring peace and hope to the Danish community. Worse that could happen is a couple of be-headings. Hell, freedom of speech means nothing....


How did it go again?
Oh Yeah,remember now!
Waving a Piece of Toilet Paper shouting:"Peace in Our Time"!(AD.1938)
And meanwhile selling our F**ING Necks down the Drain.

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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 10:05 AM CST
Obama Shooting Himself in the Foot with Anti-Gun Stance
February 22, 2008 2:45 PM
Not in Middle America

Barack Obama will have a big problem attracting the blue-collar white voters he needs to win the presidency, writes Bob Owens: they like guns and he wants to take their guns away.
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by Bob Owens

As she clawed for survival against Barack Obama in Wisconsin’s Democratic primary this past weekend, Hillary Clinton lamely asserted her Second Amendment bona fides over that of her rival by claiming that she once shot a duck in Arkansas.

As pathetic a pander as that tale was, it did serve to point out one gaping weakness in the armor of the Illinois senator, a man who must rely on blue-collar white voters if he hopes to prevail first in the Democratic primaries, and later in the general election.

The weakness? Barack Obama’s utter disdain of firearms (especially handguns) and a refusal to recognize the rights of law-abiding Americans to own the most common and relied-upon types of firearms.

In his answers to the 1998 Illinois State Legislative National Political Awareness Test, Obama said he favored a ban on “the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.”

By definition, this would include all pistols ever made, from .22 target pistols used in the Olympics to rarely-fired pistols kept in nightstands and sock drawers for the defense of families, and every pistol in between. Obama’s strident stand would also ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, whatever their previously legal purpose.

In 1999, Obama proposed to make it a felony for the gun owner if a firearm stolen from his residence and used in a crime was not “securely stored” — effectively negating the homeowner’s right to self-defense.

That same year, Obama bravely voted “present” on a law that would require teens 15 and older to be tried as adults for firing weapons on or near school grounds. Obama also proposed the idea of banning businesses that sell firearms from operating within five miles of a park or school — restrictions that would treat gun shops worse than “adult” businesses trafficking in pornography.

From 1998-2001, Obama sat on the board of directors for the Joyce Foundation, a left-wing group which today funds grants to anti-gun organizations such as the Violence Policy Center (which advocates total handgun prohibition, reinstatement of the Clinton-era “assault weapons” ban, and the ban of other firearms), the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence (which favors the registration of all handguns, seeks to overturn Ohio’s “concealed carry” law, ban standard capacity magazines, and ban economical handguns along with many semi-automatic firearms based upon their appearance), and Handgun Free America (which advocates a complete ban on civilian handgun ownership).

All of these organizations seek to disarm law-abiding Americans. This is the idea of “change” that they share with Barack Obama.




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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 10:12 AM CST
On the federal stage, Obama’s brief U.S. Senate career has already seen him vote against a bill (S.397) to protect the firearms industry from those who seek to sue manufacturers, distributors, and importers for the criminal misuse of firearms by criminals, an idea akin to suing car manufacturers for damages caused by drunk drivers.


Buried deep in the “Issues” section of Obama’s web site under “Additional Issues” is a PDF document that can only be described as an attempt to talk around Obama’s real position on firearm ownership. In a section where the campaign claims to “respect” the Second Amendment, the document states:

Millions of hunters own and use guns each year. Millions more participate in a variety of shooting sports such as sporting clays, skeet, target, and trap shooting that may not necessarily involve hunting. As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama understands and believes in the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting.

Tellingly, Obama’s campaign only addresses the gun rights of hunters and specific shotgun-only shooting sports, and only then in vague terms.

At no point does Obama recognize an individual right to own handguns, or explicitly recognize a right for Americans to use a firearm to defend themselves or others. The site explicitly states that Barack Obama recognizes civilian gun ownership for two just purposes, “hunting and target shooting.”

Hillary Clinton, almost as liberal as Obama on the issue of gun control, could not take advantage of Obama’s radical, out-of-the-mainstream position on firearm ownership because she, too, holds many of the same liberal ideas.

As America moves toward the general election, however, John McCain will have no such problems in discussing Obama’s distrust of his fellow Americans on this issue.

McCain is hardly the poster boy for the National Rifle Association, but McCain claims to strongly support gun rights, stating, “Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal,” a position diametrically opposed to the record of Obama, who favors outright prohibition of many common civilian firearms.



The clear implication of this statement is that Obama believes that Chicago’s violent crimes are to be solved at a national level — since Chicago & IL already have VERY tough gun control laws that have not stopped their crime problems

This statement is very important for those of us lifetime Democrats who not only are more libertarian leaning (especially after 8 years under the imperial presidency of George Bush), are more rural, and who own firearms or have family/friends who do. This statement is also the battle cry that figures on the right have been waiting for from Obama just in case he could actually beat out Hillary.



Common political wisdom has been that gun control legislation, and specifically the AWB, was [the] key handing the Congress to the right in 1994. Additionally, it played a strong part in the election and re-election of George Bush. Only recently, as we have run more centrist and rural understanding Democrats, were we able to retake Congress and have any chance at countering Bush & Co. in any way.

And we stand at a precipice where we can hand it all right back to them.

There seems little chance that Barack Obama can hide his real record and views of gun ownership from the American public though November’s presidential elections.

Once his prohibitive views of firearms ownership become known to America’s millions of gun owners, they may well decide that a gun-grabbing Barack Obama promises the kind of “change” that they can’t believe in.
uh oh! dropping jaw
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 1:12 PM CST
Stock in Trade Complaint about two years from now:"How could we ever let him (Obama) bamboozle us like that.
If he gets elected that iscool
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Mar 21, 2008, 4:00 PM CST
(bump) Just bacause I want all 25 Obama threads close to each other applause
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tampa1
London, Ontario Canada
Posted: Mar 22, 2008, 10:37 AM CST
Forget Obama, I would vote for jeremiah Wright.......
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 22, 2008, 7:18 PM CST
Crap,how many of them things are there???confused D'oh! dropping jaw
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