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Manolito
Cyprus 4Summer,London frm Sept, Muntenia Romania
Posted: Mar 26, 2008, 2:40 PM CST
US court at odds with Bush view of powers
By Patti Waldmeir in Washington

Published: March 25 2008 18:59

The US Supreme Court rebuffed George W.?Bush’s expansive view of presidential powers on Tuesday, ruling 6-3 against him in a case involving international law and the death penalty.

The court ruled that the president does not have the power to order individual states to relax their criminal procedures in order to obey a ruling of the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

The case involved the rights of 51 Mexican nationals – who have all been sentenced to death in the US – under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which requires governments immediately to notify foreign nationals of their right to seek assistance from their consulates. The Mexicans say they were not informed of that right, and took their case to the ICJ, which ruled in 2004 that they were entitled to new hearings.

The case in question, Medellin v Texas, involved one of the 51, José Medellin, who was convicted of the rape and murder of two US teenagers.

In 2005, Mr Bush wrote a memo to his attorney general, saying Texas courts must obey the ICJ ruling and review Mr Medellin’s conviction and sentence to determine whether his rights were violated because he had not been allowed to contact his consulate.

But the Supreme Court on Tuesday refused to enforce the international court’s ruling, and refused to allow the president to force individual states to obey it.

It was a rebuke to Mr Bush’s expansive notion of presidential powers, which has been especially controversial in relation to interrogation techniques used in the “war on terror”.

In Tuesday’s ruling, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court majority, saying: “Not all international obligations automatically constitute binding federal law enforceable in United States courts.’’

The three dissenting judges complained that this might mean “the nation may well break its word even though the president seeks to live up to that word and congress has done nothing to suggest the contrary’’.

The Supreme Court has limited the role of courts in arbitration, the privatised form of justice often favoured by US business as a way to restrain litigation costs.





the copywrite belongs to the financial times
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Manolito
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008, 2:40 PM CST
oh, and i agree thumbs up
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Mar 26, 2008, 2:44 PM CST
Manolito wrote:
oh, and i agree


I agree too..there should be no political interference in the administration of justice whatsoever...thumbs up
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Manolito
Cyprus 4Summer,London frm Sept, Muntenia Romania
Posted: Mar 26, 2008, 2:50 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
I agree too..there should be no political interference in the administration of justice whatsoever...


..and also, i did not post this as a matter of substance, but as a matter of principles.

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HealthyLiving
Sulphur, Oklahoma USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 3:55 PM CST
I want to ressurect this thread.

Mainly to remind voters that what Bush was doing, was in response to actions made by former President Bill Clinton, who signed us over to the United Nations when he was in office, thru UN Article 84, which gives UN law (International Law thru the United Nations Security Council) priority over US law and also nullifies the US Constitution.

[Correct me if I got that wrong, I have not read on it in a couple of years but I believe that to be the correct article.]

Many are not aware that US Sovereignty was given to the UN, without the concent of We the People.

If you plan on voting for Hillary Clinton... I am telling you it is a big Mistake! The Clintons intend to wrap up the package that they began when Bill was in office. It aint gonna be pretty, people!



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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:01 PM CST
How dare they oppose the power of our Führer?very mad frustrated dunno
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StressFree
Kalmar, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:06 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
How dare they oppose the power of our Führer?


Thank good news for separation of powers.

Nicely bumped HLthumbs up This is one of those feel good threads....
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HealthyLiving
Sulphur, Oklahoma USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:06 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
How dare they oppose the power of our Führer?


rolling on the floor laughing Just wait to see if Hitlary gets elected, or has the polls rigged in her favor...

Heil Hitlary!


That is of course if Bushie boy doesn't get the opportunity to declare Martial Law and never leave office! I am betting that he stays in office crying
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StressFree
Kalmar, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:06 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Thank goodness news for separation of powers.

Nicely bumped HL This is one of those feel good threads....


Fixed for Ambrose....
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HealthyLiving
Sulphur, Oklahoma USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:07 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Thank good news for separation of powers.

Nicely bumped HL This is one of those feel good threads....


Not any more!sticking out tongue
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:19 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Fixed for Ambrose....


Thanks, brother. That was driving me utterly nuts (admittedly, doesn't take much).blushing laugh hug
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:22 PM CST
HealthyLiving wrote:
Just wait to see if Hitlary gets elected, or has the polls rigged in her favor...

Heil Hitlary!That is of course if Bushie boy doesn't get the opportunity to declare Martial Law and never leave office! I am betting that he stays in office


Good point, Healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if our Fuhrer and his SS boys arranged for a little terrorist emergency to keep them in power indefinitely. Pffftt! go the elections. Sieg Heil! goes martial law.smitten
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:24 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
How dare they oppose the power of our Führer?
rolling on the floor laughing
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StressFree
Kalmar, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:28 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
Thanks, brother. That was driving me utterly nuts (admittedly, doesn't take much).


No problem my brother. Although it did sound cool now that I think about it in a quirky way.... "Thank good news for separation of powers"hmmm Thank goodness or good newslaugh
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:30 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
No problem my brother. Although it did sound cool now that I think about it in a quirky way.... "Thank good news for separation of powers" Thank goodness or good news


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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:31 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
No problem my brother. Although it did sound cool now that I think about it in a quirky way.... "Thank good news for separation of powers" Thank goodness or good news


Hey, by the way, are you wearing my sunglasses?confused laugh
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:36 PM CST
Manolito wrote:
US court at odds with Bush view of powers
By Patti Waldmeir in Washington

Published: March 25 2008 18:59

The US Supreme Court rebuffed George W.?Bush’s expansive view of presidential powers on Tuesday, ruling 6-3 against him in a case involving international law and the death penalty.

The court ruled that the president does not have the power to order individual states to relax their criminal procedures in order to obey a ruling of the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

The case involved the rights of 51 Mexican nationals – who have all been sentenced to death in the US – under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which requires governments immediately to notify foreign nationals of their right to seek assistance from their consulates. The Mexicans say they were not informed of that right, and took their case to the ICJ, which ruled in 2004 that they were entitled to new hearings.

The case in question, Medellin v Texas, involved one of the 51, José Medellin, who was convicted of the rape and murder of two US teenagers.

In 2005, Mr Bush wrote a memo to his attorney general, saying Texas courts must obey the ICJ ruling and review Mr Medellin’s conviction and sentence to determine whether his rights were violated because he had not been allowed to contact his consulate.

But the Supreme Court on Tuesday refused to enforce the international court’s ruling, and refused to allow the president to force individual states to obey it.

It was a rebuke to Mr Bush’s expansive notion of presidential powers, which has been especially controversial in relation to interrogation techniques used in the “war on terror”.

In Tuesday’s ruling, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court majority, saying: “Not all international obligations automatically constitute binding federal law enforceable in United States courts.’’

The three dissenting judges complained that this might mean “the nation may well break its word even though the president seeks to live up to that word and congress has done nothing to suggest the contrary’’.

The Supreme Court has limited the role of courts in arbitration, the privatised form of justice often favoured by US business as a way to restrain litigation costs.the copywrite belongs to the financial times


I agree with the seperation of powers.. however, I think on Humanitarian grounds it is a good idea that a person... PARTICULARLY if they are sentenced to death... get the opportunity to contact their consoluate... it allows for a more transparent and potentially just outcome... even if it is just ensuring support towards legal representation....

JMV
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rasgumby
Moberly, Missouri USA
Posted: May 21, 2008, 4:36 PM CST
Manolito wrote:
oh, and i agree

Where the hell were they when this illegal war started?????frustrated very mad
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