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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Apr 3, 2008, 12:04 AM CST
kidatheart wrote:
That doesn't mean that we can't "modify" them does it? I want a holy swamp boat!



Modify them all you like....You can be the Captain of the Mother Patricia!!!!!!!!!


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Posted: Apr 3, 2008, 12:04 AM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
Actually....I think we should have a shop with all those kewwwwwwlllllllll Jesus novelties available for everyone...AND I am going to have some made in your likeness Mother Trish....We can have you made into a glow in the dark beer dispenser or something!!!!!!!!!!


You are Too Much Hugz!

Glow in the dark beer dispenser???

LMAO for 5 minutes!!!

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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Apr 3, 2008, 12:13 AM CST
HealthyLiving wrote:
You are Too Much Hugz!

Glow in the dark beer dispenser???

LMAO for 5 minutes!!!



Tears are rolling down my cheeks



I'm sure it would be a great seller!!!!!!!!!!





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kj12345
Taipei, Taipei Taiwan
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 4:04 PM CST
Serenity1971 wrote:
Kings/ rulers have been around for thousands of years. Religion has also been around for that long and longer. The Presidents are in essence "Kings".

Whether it's "king", "chief", "boss", "priest" or bully, historically leadership has been brute force by the brute who had the force. Ending strongman dictatorships required enlightenment and individual freedom and responsibility. Small wonder we're returning to strongmen when ignorance is on the rise and seen as respectable instead of embarassing.

Serenity1971 wrote:
All of these rulers tend to be bound by their religions no matter who they are. How many times have we seen them attending religious services over the years? These rulers are also the ones who have claimed religious reasoning for putting people to death ie. "Witch Burnings" the "Holocaust" and I'm sure there's many more that I can't think of off the top of my head at the moment.

Pogroms. Blood libel. Crusades. The Inquisition. Cultural and linguistic genocide. Those are for starters.

Religion was an invention by scared people who had no answers. Later, some of them mistakenly thought they were the right answers instead of a security blanket in times of fear. That's how religion changed into belief; it became organized when someone realized organizing it was a quick way to unquestioned power, status and wealth. Except for serial killers, one-person religions haven't been a problem.

Serenity1971 wrote:
Is it really necessary to compare things that were written a thousand years ago to todays world?

The Code of Hammurabi (~1760BCE) predates the "old testament" (~500BCE) by more than a thousand years and still makes for a better legal code than most modern religions' "codes", and the "Golden Rule" has been in cultures as far back as there has been written history (i.e. Babylon). No one has ever had a monopoly on ethics and morality.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM

Serenity1971 wrote:
Do you think it's necessary for history to continually repeat itself?

Santayana: The who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Me: The who ignore history are trying to repeat it.

When one knows better but doesn't do better, one is trying to make mistakes instead of learning from others' mistakes.

In response to:
I said this in another thread, and I will say it again. If we collectively think that things are only going to get worse, they will. If we collectively think that we can change things and make them better, we will.

The worst thing that happened in the last fifty years was Ronald Reagan: not his political or economic policies, but his "me decade". It turned into the "me generation" and "me society"where nobody thinks of the collective good anymore, just an "I got mine" view of life.

When I say collective, I don't mean communistic, I mean thinking about consequences and the effects of one's actions on others. Nowadays, few think that way anymore, and use the cop out of "I'm a good christian/jew/muslim/hindu/whatever" to rationalize selfish behaviour.
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patrickthomas
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 4:30 PM CST
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 4:52 PM CST
Serenity1971 wrote:
The reason I've started this thread is due to a few posts I just read.

***This post is not to offend anyone, nor is it to start an argument. It's to make a point and to make you think***

Kings/ rulers have been around for thousands of years. Religion has also been around for that long and longer. The Presidents are in essence "Kings". All of these rulers tend to be bound by their religions no matter who they are. How many times have we seen them attending religious services over the years? These rulers are also the ones who have claimed religious reasoning for putting people to death ie. "Witch Burnings" the "Holocaust" and I'm sure there's many more that I can't think of off the top of my head at the moment. There are many who refer to the bible and compare todays situations to those in the book of revelations.

Here are some questions to ponder...

Is it really necessary to compare things that were written a thousand years ago to todays world?

Do you think it's necessary for history to continually repeat itself?

Do we really have that many sheep in this world that can't and won't use their own brain, or draw their own conclusions about things, because their afraid?

I said this in another thread, and I will say it again. If we collectively think that things are only going to get worse, they will. If we collectively think that we can change things and make them better, we will. We all have a voice and a brain, it's just a matter of whether or not we choose to use it.There's a saying that I heard a long time ago and I believe it to be true in many ways...Religion is for people who are afraid to go to hell. Spirituality is for people who have been there and lived to tell about it.
wave Religion is for People who fear God,Spirituality is for People that have been to Hell and Backconversing thumbs up tip hat
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 5:06 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
C'mon Hugs - you can be my campaign manager this time - Trisha for Popette - and we will all have lanbourghini Mobiles - haha, remember the script
Don't you go changing sides in midstride,you hear,Your Poppetal Holiness!blues uh oh! moping










































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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 5:12 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
ooooooooooo I love your effiency - are there any aura decorators to be had we need ours to look all glowing and bright for when we liberate all those billions of £$ from the central bank - I really feel I need to look my best for that
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 5:17 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
Ill be in this one if thats ok - but please - can I be Pope instead - somebody else be Mary Magdalene this time, its such a pain being denied all the time - by the way, that painting - it is actually a good likeness of me

Yep - I can go with the multiple choice thing on the 10 commandments
You mean Leonardo's Last Supper?
Don't let the Man In Rome hear that!
It's Anathema to him!rolling on the floor laughing uh oh! grin
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 5:22 PM CST
But it is Useless to disavow Religion in Politics,and then still run Hogwild with Collectivism/Statism!uh oh! conversing wave
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skschicago
Chicago, Illinois USA
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 5:30 PM CST
Hi All concerned about being saved,

What one really needs to be saved is love for God and one another. If you love one another, you love God.

If you fast 40 days before Easter or Christmas- but you have no love, it will not help you.
If you pray day and night, but you have no compassion for other people, praying will not help you.
If you read the Bible day and night, but you are self-centered and proud, reading the Bible will not save you.
If you go to church every day and ligth a candle, but you see no pain of other people, this will not save you either.
If you give your money to church but you envy people, money will not save you.

Moral: Love Thy God and thy neighbor, and God will save you. Did you know that Lord loves us 100 times more than we love ourselves.

Did you know that God saves people through tribulations and sorrows. They are the bitter pills that heal our soul. If you have tribulations and adversaries, you have compassion for other people. If you are poor and starve, you understand what a hungry person feels like. Love your tribulations and sorrows and thank the Lord for them because through them He is healing us. I know it is easy said than done.

Another thing is being humble. Humility -s the ability to do what you don't want to do.
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bs7857
Nashville, Tennessee USA
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 7:13 PM CST
It's absolutely amazing to me how many people do not know or understand God. This is of course is due to the fact that most people do not study the word of God. All the answers to all the questions that man can muster can be answered by the word of God. It is our instruction manual for life and how to live it. I blame the churches for not teaching people the truth....but then....according to the word of God (The Bible) God says "Let no man teach you." He will do the teaching....but you have to do the studying! We (the human race) can not get the truth from any of these "translations" of the Bible. You have to go to the original text to find the truth of what God has meant for us to hear and understand. The Bible was originally written in Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). When it was translated into the English language...the meaning of many of the words has changed the original message. We are being mislead by all the churches in this present time. We are as God has said "In the Last Days". Deception is being fed to the populous, and people are flocking to eat it up. It makes people feel good!!!! Yes ..we have people running our governments. Who is it that is in control of this world? God says that Satan is.....so that is why we have such hatred and kaos in the world.....coupled with the fact that the majority of people in this world will not take the time to look for the truth of what God has for us. The whole world can fall apart around me...and I will still be at peace. Because I have spent the last 30 years looking for the truth in the word of God...and he has blessed me with understanding. In fact....most people do not know this simple thing. The word "faith" in the original Greek language means "to understand". How can anyone understand anything if you have not studied to find the answers? You won't get these answers by going to church...I don't care if you go 3 times a week.......you will be going in "VAIN". For the best resource of Greek and Hebrew study I recommend this web site......www.graceandtruth.net. You won't get any frills or be entertained there....you will get the truth as defined by the original Greek and Hebrew words of God. You will be amazed at the differences that are there. Good luck in your search for the truth.
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bs7857
Nashville, Tennessee USA
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 7:28 PM CST
This has already been done by the Catholic Church.....Constantine (Ruler of Rome) started the Catholic Church in 325 AD...he mixed all the pagan religions with Christianity to bring them all together. The word catholic means " universal". It is not true Christianity as described in the Bible. It is deception. For the truth.....check this site....www.graceandtruth.net. For anyone that does not think that the Bible is a reliable source.......you will know the truth....sooner or later!!!!!
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Detente
North West, England UK
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 7:31 PM CST
bs7857 wrote:
This has already been done by the Catholic Church.....Constantine (Ruler of Rome) started the Catholic Church in 325 AD...he mixed all the pagan religions with Christianity to bring them all together. The word catholic means " universal". It is not true Christianity as described in the Bible. It is deception. For the truth.....check this site....www.graceandtruth.net. For anyone that does not think that the Bible is a reliable source.......you will know the truth....sooner or later!!!!!
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It seems some like to think Nicea was the birth of Christianity.

Easy mistake...it was the beginning of a nasty disease that's still rampant.sigh

Great posts dude!cheers
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Fallingman
dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 9:23 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Those are fighting words.......I want the POPE-mobile!!!!!!!!!


Hey....can I drive it for you!!!
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Apr 4, 2008, 9:57 PM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
You mean Leonardo's Last Supper?
Don't let the Man In Rome hear that!
It's Anathema to him!


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