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That is what I have done, but then I get bored and go back down stairs, my fault, must stay there.

i would never lecture you took me ages to find out what problem was , it's a mine field

Yeap its hard but worth it grind your teeth hun and stick it out. with send you some of my stubborn streak to help.

Send determination along with the stubborn streak, must go she just came and washed her hair, so now she has shampoo all over her head and soaking wet clothes. That what happens when I am not watching her, must also go and see where the baby is.

Kitty,

Has anyone in your family ever been tested for Parasomnias?
Does this child recall these events after they've happened?
How old is the younger baby?
Sometimes the stresses of something changing in the house hold will trigger "night terrors"(these are different from night mares). How long into her rest do these episodes begin? about 90 mins?

They're called Pavor nocturnus... and a surprising number of children ages 2-6 are effected by them. It's like their brain's way of problem solving gone just a little haywire. They typically self regulate but sometimes doctors do prescribe very low doses of Valium to get the child past the initial episode & allow for proper REM to occur.
One way they've bee treated is to put the child to bed & in around 45 mins to an hour, wake the child softly, then put her back to bed again. This tends to mess up the Pavor nocturnus clock and can be done a couple of times when she's first put down, to kick start her resting cycle.
Using early morning exercise/activity and herbal assistance, along with a cool bath can aid in sleeping, as well.

Here are some helpful links:
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/sleep/Sleep_Disorders_and_Sleep_Advice.htm
http://www.webmd.com/search/search_results/default.aspx?query=Pavor%20nocturnus%20in%20children&sourceType=undefined

I hope this helps a bit.

Sounds like the stuff my son used to get up to

Hi Kitty, I think Morgan has found the solution for you.
My youngest son was just as you described you granddaughters
behaviour. He was very hyperactive. We cut out the E numbers
in his diet and he was fine.
Btw do you know that there is more caffeine per millilitre in Coke/Pepsi
than coffee....no wonder that some kids have problems sleeping.
Hope things soon get better for you and your family

I don't wanna freak you out Kitty.. haha.. but my daughter Annie.. she started all that when she was about 12mths old.. she is THIRTEEN now.. and is still the same thing.. still won't sleep until she virtually collapses.

It has been a PAIN IN THE ARSE over the years.. I have tried everything.. evereeething over the years.. In the end (a few years ago) I just had to give up and let her get on with it. Nothing worked for her. She used to suffer baaaaaaad 'tantrums' too.. and would scream the place down for 45mins at a time.. (I used to them)..

Sometimes she will still be awake in her room at 2-3am (more nights than not).. and then has to get up at 7.30am for school. 12 yrs we've been doing that. But no longer tantrums.. THANKFULLY! though that only stop about 18mths ago..




I'm not saying your G-daughter will be like that at all.. lots of them can play up at bedtime. (and eventually it stops) I think they broke the mould when they made Annie..

Oh.. I meant.. I used to TIME the tantrums

WoW! All I can say is try to catch it now. I myself am still dealing with it with my youngest. She had extreme night terrors as a child.
Persistance and schedule is all I can say. Feel for ya.

hi bren, took me years to find a doctor that would listen and do something, and E numbers can cause all kinds of behavioural problems for some kids. Hope kitty's daughter considers looking into it , also found fish fingers another culprit because of the coating

Aawww my daughter used to suffer those too.. she used to come SCREEEEAMING into me.. that her daddy was trying to kill her.

Hi Morgan, yeh we kept being fobbed off with bogus excuses and
had our parenting called into question many times.
The transformation after changing his diet was amazing,
and it happened within a week or so.
No more tantrums or drama's at bedtime,and we found he seemed
calmer during the day and was able to concentrate at school.
Yes fish fingers are a huge mistake for kids,just like coke and squash.

Which is probably why they love them so much

What is E numbers? Is in listed in the ingredients?

hi kitty, yes it is. mainly used as colouring which makes it attractive to kids in the first place. Seriously try to get the doctor to listen and get to dietician, can do it alone but they can give valueable advice, bren went through same thing as me, my daughter was about 6 before we got it sorted was getting called to school about her behaviour as well, but sometimes she was an angel. i felt so guilty because it was me giving her the food and drink that caused it. It changed her within a week.

Don't let her nap or eat anything after dinner, and drink only water after dinner.
Sit your Daughter down and tell her flat out.. this is your responsability!
Tell her she must work on correcting it or she is on her own to deal with it-- job or not. if your daughter dont enforce the rules and fights with you.. walk away and let her deal with it by herself. tell her.. if she wants your help.. then respect the help!
Time for you to put your foot down. you are letting your Daughter use you as a second parant but then she wants it done by her rules.
You said yesterday that the youngin was riding a bike inside the house.. That should stop immediately. put it outside and thats where it should stay.
The only problem is that both of you are letting this kid walk all over you and set all of her own rules!
As for the kicking and screaming.. try swatting her bottom! let her know.. walk or you wont like the results. Dont let her have a gay old time.
Do not allow her naps at all for a few days..To many parants want to do it the easiest was for them and then wonder why the kids are spoiled brats.

There are times to swat a kids butt,
I did with my kids and believe it or not.. It didnt hurt them one bit,, they grew up fine, doing well and respectful kids- Now adults

sorry for being so blunt but everyone is giving you pretty much the same advice and you dont seem to want to face reality...
It is a spoiled kid.. whos fault is that!
Also- she is most likely jealous also of all of the attention the newer baby gets, thats a big change for them.
Let her help in caring for the baby, make it a family game.
She needs to feel involved and important

I could not believe the difference was so quick in her behaviour, somehow more parents should be aware of the effect this can have

Hi Kitty, take a look at this web site, it lists all E numbers
and food additives and tells what is safe and unsafe.


curezone.com/foods/enumbers.asp -


Hope it may be of some help to you and your daughter

Has anyone heard of the lack of melatonin in children and teens.
I heard this on the radio, that teens lack the melatonin, so they are up nites more, sleeping in during the day and not getting to school.
Wonder if this is the same with children?

There is an interesting Article on that Parasomnias thing the OP mentioned.Look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasomnia