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I know it is difficult for you seeing a politician whom is able to listen to the both sides of an argument and I know you rather like a president whom think "Oak if we dont like them tne we dont Talk with them ir listening to them and if the other sides Talking more ..we will bomb them all..... we will"!

You know like jugle law , where the strongest survive thing?

Obama is willing to listen and he learns from listening .....a real great ability for a great president to hopefully taking over in America.Obama is not like taking a gun in his hand and acting like a bad ass bully all the time , like all Bushney,s love to do! The man... Obama is Cool! You know what I mean?

So move on Conrad! Pack your stuff and get the Crap out of here.....if you dislike the thread

Well said in deed

I know one thing....All over America people are tired of dirty politics and negative campaigning and even though racism does still exist, I think that most people have enough understanding that it does exist on both sides and they don't want to go backwards with it or use it as a deviding factor. That is a Karl Rove stategy. And it's not what people want anymore.

Absoloutely agree!

I will speak for Obama at the Democratic National Convention.

Really? Wow such a great honour in deed Opalbeauty. the man is absoloutely lucky having you on his side.

I am sure the Convention will become a great one. I am sure there will be a lot greater participation than in many years and the reson is so clear:

Time for going on, Time for unification, Time for Peace, Time for happiness, Time for coversation,Time for saying no to Fear, Time for being able to smile back, Time for Rising of civil rights, Time for true cooportion with other nations, Time for stopping looting of all americans money and feauter on illegal wars, Time for being able to have a home, Time for being able to get help when sick with out being ruined, Time for justice, Time for suviolence just being allowed by a judge whom respects the american constitution and not also buy Boozoes and any body whom wants to have fun or ruining some body, Time for stopping tortur a gainst other human beings all over the world and differnet countries in secrecy, Time for taking care of the greates danger of them all and that is Global warming, Time for hearing words from a president which makes one being proud and makes one begin to care more, Time for stopping the lobbyists deciding americans every day lives, Time for reconsiliation amoung races and relgions, .......Yeah in deed........Time for Change!

Please Opal when the day comes and you are there speaking for Obama.....Remember me as well, even I know it is too much to ask!

So it has been quiet awhile since you have been in he south, Opal.
Almost 40 years. I have been here since 1980. Going on 30 years. More recent years.

I seen have churchs of mixed races. I seen gov't committees of all shades. I have seen high school and college sports teams of all colors. I have seen school teachers of every gender and color teaching in the same school complex of kids of every shade. I have lunch, in the same building with white, black, brown, green, purple....all the shades of the rainbow. That is the south of today.

I have also heard a white racist remark and a black racial remark and put them on the same level, Opal.....both are racial. I don't deny that racism exists in society. I just say it exist on both sides. With out slighly painting the other color.

So you are a racist? Or were a racist to be more accurate. So you
then feel that racism is wrong or you would not have made the change........then why cannot you say what the Rev Wright is....because you have this political position that has you locked into on into the far left and into defending him for Barak.....that hurts Barak more than it helps him.

You look back into the south 40 years ago....say oh that old south could never change. But you did. You look at the race debate going on today in our country, have a biased opinion of right and wrong and can then paint with Barak. Sutley and slighly...but still the same paint brush and the venom as Rev. Wright. Just the difference of oil bases colors and water based colors. One is deep and the other is thin.

I think that there are blacks....that have little or no color bias to them. I also think that there are whites in the same boat. That you changed from a racist at one time....says you tried to make it into this boat. Keep trying, you can do it. The thing is in life we constantly can dilute this color issue with either words of encouragement and unity. Or we can deepen with words of hate and anger.

In Union Cooper, Lincoln called blacks slaves 'ignorant'. Today that same comment, if taken by Rev. Wright and many would paint Lincoln as a racist. That is the standard blacks have set. I only hold them to it. In the day of the comment, it was a very accurate and honest word to use because black's had little or no formal education. It was the only negative word, he said of the blacks in that very long address. Rev Wright would turn it into a rant......of vile and hate.....and distort what Lincoln did for the Black slaves to make him a white racist, like all typical whites are according to Barak.

When blacks hear a word of critism or negativity from a white...they call it racism. Is not the standard the same then for the white, when he hears a word of negativity from the blacks? The far left and blacks take a comment like G. Ferrero of Obama, and it becomes racial. But when it is black comment like Obama on typical white women, it is not.
What goes on Opal, if not reverse racism here?

So where is the real racism? In a hour sermon of ranting hateful things or in a one misspoken word/phrase in a hour long speech? Obama made one mispoken phrase in my opinion and failed to sever with Rev Wright. He says things have gotten better in race relationship with the US. And they have.

But as long as he keeps the relationship with Rev. Wright.....he will have a very dark color to dilute in his painting of the American scene. And the supporting far left, will throw in all of the much darker colors of anger/hate/vile in defending him and Rev Wright...the far left is killing his chances, Opal.

But is there racism in the country? Yes on both sides and with many shades. Men of either color like Rev.Wright don't want to dilute it. They want to exploit and grow it. And you don't get rid of it that way. Barak honestly does want to dilute it, in my opinion. It is too bad he is caught were he is. And yes, it does shade Obama's character.....

Congrats, Opal

You are a very intelligent and compassionate man and if people dont' want to look for the good in others than that is their loss and their problem...they can stay spinning their wheels in the mud.

You know how right at the end of the last election Karl Rove decided to put gay marriage admendment on the voting ticket in the South because they knew how backwards the red states are in their thinking that all people have equal rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They really fear and hate more in the South anything that threatens them or is different then what they think they know. There are more uneducated who never challenge their thinking and beliefs. And they are easily led and manipulated. Except when they are affected persoanally, then they change but change is slow. That worries me about what they might try to do with this race issue. I know these guys don't want to put it to rest. Maybe Obama needs to expose Karl Rove and his strategies more. I hope they are ready now for change. Obama is a man of substance, very well educated and open minded. But it seems these people are not looking for humanatarian stardards, they want to expect perfection from him but do they even begin to question the illegalities and unethical behavior of Bush and that administration? And that McCain is embracing all of this for his own interest to gain support of Bush's base?

"You can closeyour eyes to what you do not want to see but you can't close your heart to what you don't want to feel." I hope someday they are able to feel.

Obama?? It will never happen in racist America. The next president will be an old man.

I will speak of my own experience of overcoming hate and racism. Which as a person I was always sensitive and caring about others but I was taught racism in the South. I had to learn to challenge my thinking and beliefs.

Ty Opal beauty......

Karl Rove is exposed badly already, but as a matte roff act I guess he is going to come back and being a part of McCain campain very soon. It is absoloutely difficult for his supporters to sell the dude or his way of thinking to most americans and there for there will be a need for a master mind of amnipulation and making McCain look good.....a perfect McCain whom does not even exist "yet" and all this will look like the "Marlboro man" Philip Morris tobacco co. created years a go, out of nothing and any way they succeeded by using good manipulators.

You have the only proven technique for this.....that lets you incorporate in a Rev. Wright into the picture and to justify such comments from him? Maybe time to challenge Rev. Wright his
comments and thinkings some, Opal. But really and honestly,
Congratulations.

I am still wonder you "forget" smoothly to talk more a bout Hagee whom you actually "like" and you dont say nothing a bout Parsley....I bet you they both will get a lot influence in American reality if McCain is going to be the next president.

Is this a "white thing" stuff or what?

Opal a couple of times you connected (associated) me with Karl Rove.
That I was "taught in his style", I think the term was.
I listened to him TV in his political commentary. But have had no personal contact with him. We architech in different areas completely.

I have listened to his TV commentary.....seems pretty fair and balanced to me. Maybe I am missing something? He does not come on with foul words, or with anger or hatred.....as someone else we talk of.
So? Does he not have a right to his opinion?

That he good at his job as a political architect.....and that he is a
mid right (in my opinion) Republican.......this is your base for the opinions on him? Where did Karl Rove split you? or the Democratic party? Maybe that is something that Dems have done to themselves?

Did Obama while he was on the Foreign Service committee.....support the war in Iraq or American....with only 1 trip to the region or 1 hearing? No, he could have...could have learned in fair and open hearings and trips what was going there. But he did not. You cannot expect a political architech of the other side to support you and untie you. But you can expect a duly elected Senator to support a nation's war effort, even if he is of the oppostion. Why?

One is a paid advisor. The other is to represents 'all' the people of his constiuency. Some that are going into that war.

Wow! I just had to do a search on Hagee's views and comments...It sounds very Pro-Isreal, pro-war to me....

McCain gladly accepts his endorsement. That must make Tom happy.

I can't even comment on your ignorance of Karl Rove. But I can say that Obama spoke out against the war before it ever started when the others where cowering to Rove's an Bush's fear tactics and bullying. Obama is on record about invading Iraq. Do a search...but you probably don't want to know anyway.

There are a lot Parsley and Hagee likes sitting there..waiting....sharpening their teeth and nails...waiting for "father War"to take over one more time ! Scarey thought but so true as sun still shines!

Provide me with some short or long term association of McCain with either Hagee or Parsiley. Then we can talk. Don't blur the issue of Obama with Wright...it is only avoidance and diversion, Dude.
Understand...and those are far left techniques for distortion.
Be above it.

Riding in a car for an hour....I am not sure qualifies for association or is even provable. But if you got it....show it.