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it sucks being a sex slave

Thanks Sparky, I saw a couple of special news reports last year and it was heartbreaking to realise what those poor women had been going through - it could be in any of our neighbourhoods too, right under our noses.

There are different means of slavery in most countries - it is not only a thing of the past but very much of the present too.

If you ever get the chance, look at the State Departments latest report on human trafficking. I don't know if you can get access or not, I'll check tomorrow if you're interested. I believe the UN also does an annual report on this.

I was in a country 3 years ago where this was a huge issue. Both prostitutes and children. Absolutely horrible

I think I will be able to get access thanks Sparky, can go through the uni library if I have to but it may well be available online - meanwhile, I just found this snippet;

The U.S. government estimates that some 800,000 people are trafficked across international borders annually and millions more are trafficked within their own countries. They are coerced into indentured servitude or bonded labor, bought and sold into prostitution, domestic servitude or farm labor and captured to serve as child soldiers. Approximately 80 percent of transnational victims are female, and up to 50 percent are minors. Most females are trafficked into commercial sexual exploitation.

The State Department’s Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons, with a staff of 31 people, now is recognized widely, not the least because of its annual report on trafficking. In operation only since November 2001, the office was recognized by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof as “one of the most effective units in the U.S. government.”

THE TIP REPORT

The office emphasizes what it calls “the three P’s”: prosecuting traffickers, protecting and assisting victims and preventing trafficking from occurring or continuing. Its annual Trafficking in Persons (TIP) report ranks 164 countries into one of four categories (Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 2 Watch List and Tier 3) based on their compliance with the minimum standards for eliminating human trafficking. Much of the report’s information is collected during on-the-ground visits by office representatives, who venture into isolated regions to uncover hidden routes and trafficking tactics.

In part because of the report:

• Cambodia shut down a red-light district where 10-year-olds openly were sold and prostituted and “cheap girls” were advertised on the Internet;

• Japan slashed the number of entertainment visas issued to certified Filipina dancers, singers or other entertainers because traffickers were forcing many of these women into prostitution;

• The United Arab Emirates eliminated the exploitation of South Asian boys as camel-racing jockeys and paid for the repatriation of more than 1,000 boys to their home countries;


• Jamaica pledged to step up prosecutions this year;

• Saudi Arabia said it intended to adopt the 2000 U.N. Trafficking in Persons Protocol; and

• Taiwan vowed to strengthen its antitrafficking laws

That's a pretty good snippet. I have to agree with Kristof, that's a very effective office as far as government offices go. They are making some real progress.

It's not surprising that of the 5 examples (countries) given, 2 of them I have seen first hand.

Well, that's it for me tonight. Have a good one...

It looks good and i will find more tomorrow - am off myself any min now.

Shame there are only 31 people in the office - they could do with a whole lot more..........

Thanks for the info on this - have fun

thanks for joining the thread trish !

just looked at the scans that are running Gilly and i may be half an hour yet........

but cheers

Im happy it ran into slavery stuff thats still happening and that we can actually do something about - even if its only speaking it out loud. If enough people start speaking maybe things will get a move on - and the internet is the place for speaking.........

I know the stuff that happened before was bad but we cant live in that bitterness - it has to be let go to sleep and of course never forgotten, like many other atrocities the world has known, we have to learn to move on.

I like the stuff that Sparky mentioned too and tomorrow I will look at what the UN etc are saying.

before we go too far if anybody knows the answer to any of these questions it would be helpfull !



what's the history behind all these other slaves then ?

how did they become slaves ?..and how long were they slaves for ?
tell us about


1. phoenicans ..who and where were they ?

2.arabs . who enslaved them ? lawrence of arabia ?

3. when were the chinese ever slaves ?

4. when were the romans themselves ever slaves ? and why did the roman empire collapse ? how many caeser's were there ? did they get as far as africa and the carribean ?

5. regarding the greeks ...do you know anything about greek history / have you seen the film '300'

6. was malta or spain ever occupied ? were the maltese or spanish people ever made slaves ?

7. and does anybody know anything about the irish potatoe famine ? and the story behind that ?

8. why did the british empire collapsed ?...where did it start going wrong ?

9. do you know anything about the slavery that still goes on in india ?

10. more about places in the world where ' virtual slavery ' is still taking place ????????

chat to you soon love...and about everything else you mention trish!

It's estimated that well over 50% of blacks in America don't pay any taxes now. So this question should properly be:

"Should black people in American who don't pay taxes now start paying taxes and, if so, when?"

This whole topic has been run into the ground for years, here in the states. It is really nothing more then whining!

Slavery was abolished more then 100 years ago. Yet some are still blaming slavery for the way they live now..

Especially in the eastern states. The constant use of excuses for lack of effort and the desire to better ones self is always put to the race card.



As soon as they get off their duffs and get jobs! (good luck with that one)

~JBG~

I'm a status Indian and have paid taxes for the most part most of my life but in a lot of cases it was by choice. Why do I pay taxes when I don't have to?

1. I was raised that I didn't need my rights. We were independent enough we didn't have to rely on those systems of support.
2. My rights are used as ammo against natives by racists. Even when you explain that 50% of natives are off-reserve urban natives paying taxes just like they are, they then treat you like you are this unique oddity and its all the "other natives" they are talking about. If you listened to them wow...we should all be rich instead of the poorest demographic in canada.
3. The money comes from "somewhere" and its usually draining on those systems that others need more than I do
4. Miniority populations are growing faster than white populations. Why get reliant on a system which is unsustainable?
5. Dependency breeds dependency...not opportunity
6. It causes splits within the group when government starts to get involved in tracing your bloodline. Status Indians are treated differently than non-status indians due to their rights. It's only natural and a matter of time before those same comparisons are adopted into the society.
7. Rights are sometimes governed by geographical boundary so if you are dependent on those rights, it limits your ability to travel for opportunity. This can keep a population unfortunate enough to be in an economically challenged area more trapped by the circumstances.

To remove these rights from those which are completely dependent would cause catastrophe which would end up costing even more money and more strains on systems for longer term than it would to develop independence. It is extremely difficult to gain that independence back and its those within the race that have to do it or else it cultivates more dependency. Those working in these areas are exhausted but work so hard because its about survival.

So my questions are...

1. Do you REALLY want to put black people through this?
2. Compensating for the past will not acknowledge the current impacts slavery still has on black populations. It's like saying that was all before and there is nothing continuing to go on now. How can you compensate for that when you don't know when that will change?
3. I do not deny racism is out there and a lot of times people are complely unaware that they are sometimes participating in it. But can you directly relate to what is experienced as racism to that of slavery when its been employed in other cultures on other cultures/races? Even in my own history there are written accounts that we participated in enslaving other conquered tribes.

In Canada, the black people are often treated with far more respect than natives due to their independence. I fear if they were given the same tax benefits as natives it would breed a lot of racism which would do more to undermine them than compensate or help them.

you know what, you can actually google these questions, or go to ask.com and get answers to all of these questions. But in short, yes, almost every culture on earth was enslaved at some point in history to be honest.... A good book to read is the Gathering of Nations....

And, I am fine with paying taxes....

yes i know i can google these questions !..yes i know almost every culture was enslaved at some point and no i don't want to read a book called a gathering of nations

why not the descendants of there masters dont

Aboriginals in australia have been trying to get compensation and some just a simple apology for what was known as the stolen generation....
Between 1910 and 1970 up to 100,000 Aboriginal children were taken forcibly or under duress from their families by police or welfare officers.

Most were under 5 years old. There was rarely any judicial process. To be Aboriginal was enough. They are known as the ‘Stolen Generations’.

Most were raised in Church or state institutions. Some were fostered or adopted by white parents.
Many suffered physical and sexual abuse. Food and living conditions were poor.
They received little education, and were expected to go into low grade domestic and farming work.
why were they taken?
They were taken because it was Federal and State Government policy that Aboriginal children - especially those of mixed Aboriginal and European descent - should be removed from their parents.

Between 10 and 30% of all Aboriginal children were removed, and in some places these policies continued into the 1970s.

The main motive was to ‘assimilate’ Aboriginal children into European society over one or two generations by denying and destroying their Aboriginality.
Speaking their languages and practising their ceremonies was forbidden
They were taken miles from their country, some overseas
Parents were not told where their children were and could not trace them
Children were told that they were orphans
Family visits were discouraged or forbidden; letters were destroyed.

The physical and emotional damage to those taken away was profound and lasting:
Most grew up in a hostile environment without family ties or cultural identity.
As adults, many suffered insecurity, lack of self esteem, feelings of worthlessness, depression, suicide, violence, delinquency, abuse of alcohol and drugs and inability to trust.
Lacking a parental model, many had difficulty bringing up their own children.
The scale of separation also had profound consequences for the whole Aboriginal community - anger, powerlessness and lack of purpose as well as an abiding distrust of Government, police and officials..
This problem has had consequences on the society here today.....

To remove these rights from those which are completely dependent would cause catastrophe which would end up costing even more money and more strains on systems for longer term than it would to develop independence. It is extremely difficult to gain that independence back and its those within the race that have to do it or else it cultivates more dependency. Those working in these areas are exhausted but work so hard because its about survival.

So my questions are...

1. Do you REALLY want to put black people through this?
2. Compensating for the past will not acknowledge the current impacts slavery still has on black populations. It's like saying that was all before and there is nothing continuing to go on now. How can you compensate for that when you don't know when that will change?
3. I do not deny racism is out there and a lot of times people are complely unaware that they are sometimes participating in it. But can you directly relate to what is experienced as racism to that of slavery when its been employed in other cultures on other cultures/races? Even in my own history there are written accounts that we participated in enslaving other conquered tribes.

In Canada, the black people are often treated with far more respect than natives due to their independence. I fear if they were given the same tax benefits as natives it would breed a lot of racism which w



hi sometimes2!

there's lots to talk about there !...its a pity that i've got to go out soon !



i'll answer all your points and questions one by one slowly before i have to dash off ...and then finish when i get back ....

may i first of all thank you for joining the thread and.....

WIDENING THE DEBATE !



because you made the debate deeper and interesting ! ! ! !

1. its great to be independant and not need support...but you never know whats around the corner. ( but i do know exactly the type of people you're talking about though )!

2. tell me more about the natives that you're talking about and the problems with them ?

3. i don't know much about the american welfare system but i have heard complaints of racism before saying that its not in favour of american nationals but in favour of immigrants ...can you explain that please for me ?

4. what do you mean that minority populations are growing faster than white populations ? do you like what happened between the white population and the red indians ?



goto dash now will carry on later

got to go i'm late chat later