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God is just a kid with an ant farm.

I heard that on a movie I can not remember what movie though.

Alright, in this case I'd prefer the lame over the blind !

Well, lots of feelings, personal views and hopes were posted in this thread. That's all fine and accepted, makes people happier…..but still doesn't answer the simple question "is there a god ?"

Obviously critical thinking is not an attribute of the god thinkers, so here's another original Einstein quote:

>I do NOT believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)<

No way he was positive on the god issue, how (the hell) could he ?

When theoretical physicists use the word "god" they really just mean "an abstract principle of order and harmony", a set of mathematical equations.

I guess you are all familiar with "Occam's razor" ?

It was based on "William of Occam" and says: "Non est ponenda pluralites sive necessitate" or in english: "Do not multiply entities unless necessarily". It is a principle for scientific labour which means that one should use a simple explanation with a few explanatory premises before a more complex one.

Let's say that everything must be created, and that was done by an omnipotent god. A god which stands above time, space, moral and existence, which is self containing and in it self has it's own cause. This entity can surely be replaced by the known world. The world stands above time, space, moral, existence, is self containing and in it has it's own meaning. Most theists agree that god has a nature. Then we must raise the question, who created god's nature? If we just accept that god has a nature and exists without a cause, why not say that the known world just is and that the laws of physics are what they are, without a cause?

God is not really an explanation, only a non-explanation !

It is impossible to gain information from non-information so god as an explanation is a DEAD END. When we have said that the reason for something is that 'god did it that way' there is no way to understand it any further. We just shrug our shoulders and accept things as they are. To explain the unknown by god is only to explain how it happened, not why. If we are to investigate the world and build our views of life from the world, we cannot assume a god. Because adding god as an explanation leaves as many, if not more questions than it explains, god has to be removed with Occam's razor if we are serious in investigating the world, like "scientism" surely is.

So god really is just a myth.....and maybe some kind of a psychological calmative for those who need it. Just remember how that "god" came to us in the very old days: there was thunder and lightning and nobody knew what it meant and the humble answer was "god"!

With analytical intelligence and information god just disappears.

I think it was Constantine....

Love and life ?

Okay, this is the cold analytical point of view:

There are a lot of chemicals racing around your brain and body when you're in love.

That initial giddiness that comes when we're first falling in love includes a racing heart, flushed skin and sweaty palms. This is due to the dopamine, norepinephrine and phenylethylamine we're releasing. Dopamine is the "pleasure chemical," producing a feeling of bliss. Norepinephrine is similar to adrenaline and produces the racing heart and excitement. According to Helen Fisher, anthropologist and well-known love researcher from Rutgers University, together these two chemicals produce elation, intense energy, sleeplessness, craving, loss of appetite and focused attention. She also says, "The human body releases the cocktail of love rapture only when certain conditions are met and men more readily produce it than women, because of their more visual nature."

So love is just a chemical cocktail in humans brains and life is a chemical response to energy, not an independent event. After life starts there are a series of environmental response-stages in case it survives. As long as it reproduces it is "alive".

Sorry, science is so non-romantic.

Love for no personal gain...harder to explain Charlos.

Alturism & evolution don't mix.

Reproduction can be more personal than ever thought by the involved individuals

Love for no personal gain, I don't think thats hard to explain, It's called caring!

Great Posts Charlos. I am amazed at how often people use Albert Einstein as a back-up to their proof of God.

Alturism isn't about reproduction Charlos.

I don't think Einstein ever got it right since he was living in an illusion.
The only way I find myself out of illusions is by faith in God.


The present according to Special Relativity

A visualisation of the present (dark green plane) and past and future light cones in 2D space.It follows from Albert Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity that there is no such thing as absolute simultaneity. Therefore, if we define "present" to be the collection of events that are simultaneous with a given event, then "present" takes different meanings for different observers. Instead, with "present" defined as the events perceived directly, not as a recollection or a speculation, for a given observer "present" takes the form of the observer's past light cone. The light cone of a given event is objectively defined as the collection of events in causal relationship to that event, but each event has a different associated light cone. One has to conclude that in relativistic models of physics there is no place for "the present" as an absolute element of reality. Einstein phrased this as: "People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion".[1]

My question is when the wind blows a hat off a person's head, does that person think God was its cause?

Nope, it was those sprouts I had for lunch.

No, I just think it was the wind. But I do think that God is in the moment, with an ominscient presense. This of course is based on my own experience. But I find that if I am distressed in the moment and wish to "let go" of my own illusion of ominipotence and open my mind and heart to ask for guidance, that guidance comes and I am more peaceful and more convinced that God is in the moment and all we need to do is have faith and ask.

I could also say that the belief in a God is a "stubbornly persistent illusion" Einstein did not believe in God, he used it as a metaphor to explain how complex the world is.

I think the point that I wish to make is that the debate about whether there is or is not a God is nigh on impossible for either side to win. This is why I no longer describe myself as an Atheist but as a Humanitarian.

This means simply that we take responsibility for what we do on this planet, We do not blame God for suffering inflicted nor expect him to intervene in any way either positively or negatively.

The concepts behind believing in a God are often flawed and the idea that there is a heaven or Hell waiting on the other side leads to a non-interventionist approach from a lot of believers.

The belief in a God leads people to accept events in this world as "Gods Will" and allows them to sit back and not do anything about them as God is in control.

This is not aimed specifically at you Opal I am saying it as I see it

I think that what some people believe is that God has a part in everything and a plan for everything hence removing their responsibility and putting God in charge and taking a back seat themselves.

The believers though are as varied as you can imagine from Bible only people to highly customized personal Gods.

Take a look at this if you wish to get an overview on just how varied this belief is.

http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/01/25/18-unconvincing-arguments-for-god/

Thx.
Well,personally, I would like to believe that there is a God,but it is clear to me that an existence based upon blind faith is no longer an acceptable tradition to follow.

And still the concept of God or Higher Love has helped many to realize that they do have to take responsibility for their own lives and actions in the moment if you wish to become a better human being. You cannot avoid it. If God does have a plan I belive it is to expand our higher consciousness and for us to evolve to become better human beings. But I don't have to prove anything to anyone because I know if my beliefs make me a better person which I always seek to grow and become, I am the only person whose beliefs and actions I have control over. The only thing I would argue is that not anyone even Eienstein knows the absolute truth about God's existence. I believe from my own experience as most people do and are entitled to. I believe we are each responsible for ourselves. And at the end of the day, all that matters is how well did we live, how well did we love, how well did we learn to let go. IMO

These are a couple quotes I like...

"Since the beginning of our time,
Man has fought man,
First for food and water,
Than land and GOD,
Than glory and conquest,
Than wealth and treasures,
Than for power and meager differences,
And finally for domination.
Now the only way we can survive is to join one larger meaning.
We cannot continue to exist if we continue to fight.
We must join hands and fight the common enemy,
Ourselves.”"
~Daniel Cooper

“God exists in eternity. The only point where eternity meets time is in the present. The present is the only time there is.”
~ Marianne Williamson

That is a very powerful quote. I will connect with you again on this subject Opla. gotta go

Good morning everybody....can't believe we're still going on and on about it, but it sure is interesting, and I just wanna thank you ALL for been so respectful with eachother....

Not you detente....