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Religion is the biggest scam ever. I honestly believe that most people deep down are atheists. The fact is human beings are selfish and want instant gratification . If that is the case religious 'nuts' would want to die asap to get to the so called better world. Lo and behold, they use medical care like everyone else. Thats just one example. Remember most people thought the world was flat too and that the sun revolved around the earth. I do believe in something. I BELIEVE in myself.

I like that ideal you've offered.

Not all human beings are selfish..It is only those that live their lives only believing in themselves that fail to see goodness in others around them..Having faith does not make a person a 'nut.'...I believe it is those suffering from spiritual deprivation that does not allow them to experience true peace of mind..He tries to cover up the hunger of his own soul with pompousness, pretensions, the accumulation of wealth and quite often aggression....
Too many people take their own caprice to be their God..

All religious presentations are varieties of one truth, more or less distorted. Thyis truth manifests itself in various peoples, who become jealous of it, not realising that its manifestation accords to their needs. It cannot be passed on in the same form becasue of the difference in the minds of different communities. It cannot be reinterpreted because it must grow afresh.
It is presented afresh only by those who can actually experience it in every form, religious and otherwise of man. This experience is quite different from what people take it to be. The person who simply thinks that this must be true as a matter of logic is not the same as the person who experiences that it is true...

In any event , I am wayyyy too intelligent to believe in ANY external influence. I am proud of the fact I do not allow myself to be brainwashed by my society to believe in some kind of WIZARD in the sky. Religion is just an excuse to create more boundaries in a world where we need less. I dare say if there were no religion the world would be better off not worse off. Look at the animal kingdom , they kill mainly just for dinner or to protect. What religion tells me is that people are stupid and need some kind of spiritual guidelines to do the right thing. What a laugh. Most wars are because of religion, talk about hypocrisy.

There are three forms of knowledge. The first is intellectual knowledge, which is fact only information and the collection of facts, the use of these to arrive to further intellectual concepts...intellectualism..
Second comes the knowledge of states, which includes both emotional feeling and strange states of being in which man thinks he has percieved something supreme but cannot avail himself of it..emotionalism..
Third comes real knowledge, the knowledge of reality. In this form man can percieve what is right,what is true, beyond the boundaries of thought and sense. Scholastics and scientists concentrate upon the first type of knowledge. Emotionalists and experientalists use the second form. Others use the two combined or either one alternatively.
The people who attain to truth are those who know how to connect themselves with the reality which lies beyond both of these forms of knowledge. These are those who have attained...

Are u intelligent enough to realise that Religion and God are two seperate things... God and the concept of same, exists independant of any Religion..

Anyone that has to convince of intelligence should question why? True intellect is humility...

Hiya gal..hope you are well...........

Personally, I'm not religious. I just go on my happy way trying to be a good person in life. That's my goal. I don't pray or go to church or follow any set of rules, but I keep an open mind that religion or a god may or may not exist. Who knows? I don't. You don't. Religion is something that gives some hope and others disappointment. It is the nature of all things. Even if we don't personally believe and are skeptical of it, I think we should all be open minded about it. I think religion sends good messages.... be kind to others, be a good person, etc. Some people take it to the extreme and use it as an excuse to kill others. You cannot judge religion based on the extremists, because religion was not meant to be taken that literally. Just take it for what it is. No way to me is the wrong way, we all have our own ways. Arguing about it doesn't solve anything. Let everyone believe what they want to believe.

Forums are open communications on discussions and dedates..not arguments..each perosn is allowed to freely offer their own perceptions and opinions..

Excuse the typos..it is late here

Prostitution is the oldest con in the world
Closely followed by religion...

How did Jesus die? the dinosaurs ate him.

Teehee

You just have opinion as it would seem from your post. You have anything else to help my understand better your theory? Most people? Yes, by nature we can be selfish, but if we are aware of that, we can control and manage that part with wisdom and a deeper understanding of ourselves and our world. Spirituality has helped my do that. You draw some strong conclusions out of some kind of rage judging by your post?



I concur. Great post Zarah




I totally disagree with you buddy on the spiritual guidelines part. I also would not suggest that religious people are nuts... maybe the extremists.
True that religion has divided in a sense, but I would not say that profound spiritual guidelines would divide people. To be honest, I know many religious people who have a sound spirituality and a deep understanding for other people in which case they do not judge...just accept and understand.

Having faith is perfectly fine. Being spiritual is fine. It is only when you try to force your beliefs on other people and refuse that there is any other possibility that things get harsh. Open-mindedness seems to be the only way. People have told me that I am condemned to hell because I do not pray to god, because I follow my own spiritual path in life, and not the one that I am told I have to take. Trying to force others into your own specific guidelines and beliefs is the reason for so much of the wrong that is happening in this world. The government trying to force democracy and christianity on others..... just so wrong. Combining the government with religion is such a bad idea. Why can't everyone just go their own paths in life?

That is a problem that I faced when I grew up, being judged by some Christians that I knew. I would often remind them that their religion and Jesus does not preach judging others. It is not their job. I think that some religious people actually do not understand deeply what it is their religion is trying to teach them. Then again, they are only human. It is more of a cultural thing at times when they try and force their religion on you. Too often, a religious person has never even looked at any other religions or spiritualities to gain a sense of understanding. They strongly believe that their religion is the only way to the peak because of the ego and sense of control. I think it's more of a maturity thing as well.

:thumsup:... u seem very wise for your years (hope that doesn't come across the wrong way.. just I am 17 years older than you )...
Sounds like you are definitely on the right path... hope u stick to it.. the process of finding my spirituality has been a very long one, and I wouldn't have had it any other way.. the doubts and the seeking are all part of it... the end journey is a sense of trust, conviction and uwavering belief... nobody could have handed that to me (or indeed forced me) was something I had to do for myself.... having said that.. I WOULD encourage people to be openminded... see with open eyes and hearts so to speak... if our eyes aren't open... we will not see...

suffering isnt an answer to anything

pain is inevitable
suffering is optional

we do suffer at times
but that is not at the desire or hand of a loving parent
that is our reaction to an event
grief can pass away, as an example-

suffering doesnt assist...if i take rest and comfort
i am not suffeing but there is pain.

pain helps us draw near but is not caused to create such

i am just going according to my study, my experience only

the thing about ppl expecting god to make this a paradise or he doesnt exist-thats just laughable to me
we must admit its humans that do these things
and that nature also exists

a real god to me is beyond and not of the emotional scope
i understand and experience

a god has the power to use a bad thing-(weather lets say)
or a bad thin done by a man (a shooting lets say)
and gather those who will and make a zillion good things spring out of the tragedy.

we want to take credit forshowing up in a time of need and offering help
we dont wanna take responsibility for any 'wrong' stuff that happens-all that is His fault?

ive just never been able to see it that way.

we dont want a puppetmaster
except when we want a scapegoat
its silly.

the point is free will not being puppets
and we dont all use free will so well

its all simple math in my eyes

i just try to be available/keep my eyes open
for the good thats needed
and not be arrogant as to think i could run the world better.



and

i dont get why everytime you are here you post the prostitution bit at least once if not more...?


i guess i stayt CS for this and other mysteries that may be revealed over time...