Should we continue with the olympic games in China?

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Should we continue with the olympic games in China?

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lilman42437
Morganfield, Kentucky USA
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 10:39 PM CST
Buddhist monks are very dangerous. Kinda like ninjas.
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 10:41 PM CST
I have mixed feelings here. As a coach, I like to see the competition
and athleticism. Also the Olympic Spirit that is made among the athletes is special. Those are all good things in my opinion. So on that side, it sad to what is happening.

On the other side. The Tibetian issues has been ones in China for many years. And Chinese gov't has done little to solve them. The Tibetians knew this was a Olympic year in China and also knew
that this was the 'time' to achieve thier goals. I don't see them backing down at this point. If it really brings them the freedom and the security that they have been seeking, then it worth it on the long run.
But if not.......then they cost the world.....this chance to have an
Olympic spirit in China.

I was thinking of going. But not likely will to go now.
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 10:49 PM CST
Fallingman wrote:
I suppose the problem is that if you find a reason to boycott one Olympics you can find a reason to boycott them all..except the Australian ones...then that is the end of the Olympics. But maybe that is what we have come to!


They might come to the decision
to host it in Greece forever,
which I'd find boring,
because I do dig the different locations,
and it brings prosperity
due to employment and tourism
before and after.

When China was picked,
I am certain it was out of
economical reasons.

I find it more than brazen very mad of the Chinese
to start on Tibet now.

They knew how the rest of the world
would react.
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 10:50 PM CST
patrickthomas wrote:
This could well be changing now with the Internet. The profile that Ron Paul ( ) created using the Internet was impressive (Not him) The possibility of a world wide boycott spread through the Internet and other Media is a real possibility.


Excuse my ignorance
but
who is

RON PAUL? confused blues
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Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 10:53 PM CST
Ulimaroa wrote:
It beats me why the heck
China is so interested in

rocky, dry, tiny Tibet anyway ...

Its got no oil.
Its got no resources they could use.

Surely they cant be afraid of Buddhist monks?

Can anyone explain
this to me?


Good morning, Uli - you said that India should join in a boycott on Chinese goods - yet most Indians live on less than a dollar per day while China has increased to over $2 per day. There is slave labour in China - at least two million 'slaves' who are forced to work in prison factories....there is also 'slave' labour in India and Pakistan - where little children are forced to make footballs for export to the West (for example).

China was very isolationist....it is now looking outwards. There were two million Chinese tourists last year - soon there will be 200 million Chinese going abroad on holidays/vacation each year...... travel and education are good things and will break down barriers.

Years ago many people boycotted Japanese goods - yet now we consider Japan almost part of the west......... I hope China will overcome its huge political and economic problems to become part of 'us' one day - I don't believe that pushing them back into an isolationist position will help.

Maybe the winning side of WW2 should have made both Japan AND Germany suffer terribly and boycotted all German goods and destroyed your economy? I don't think so -

I have a very strong belief that people throughout the world want the same basic things - food, shelter, security and a realistic hope for a better future for their children.

As the standard of your average Chinese increases they will demand more freedom - and that shall include fredom for Tibet. I've been to Nepal and I've met the Dali Lama (sure I've spelt him 'wrong') and I sympathise with the situation in Tibet - I am sure he does not want the Olympic Games boycotted...........

I'm far more concerned about Russia than China at this moment in time; but even then self-interest in an economic sense is unlikely to cause Russia to get too 'stroppy' - even if the mood has swung to being rather cocky and a tendancy to abuse their power due to their huge supplies of gas and oil that we need.
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 10:55 PM CST
Arlene101 wrote:
I certainly don't condone boycotting ALL Olymic games, I just believe in boycotting this particular one. There has been so must travesty and unrest on the Bejing games, I believe there is going to be a Huge amount of lives in jeopardy. Whatever country was who as the runner-up should get it now. Hopefully it woud be more peaceful. I feel so sorry for the olypyians. It is unfortunate that politics DID enter into this, but it did. I am losing sleep over what I can see coming. JMO


But Arlene the runner up country
wouldnt have the facilities now.

Time is too short even to host it
in the country who had it last.

They would have the facilities,
but hotels would need to be available
security in place
staff hired and trained ect.

Its not even an option to always have
a country on stand by wink
just in case the nominated host
turns on some other nation.

In an ideal world that would be great
but its not realistic.

Besides in an ideal world
it would be necessary anway angel
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 10:59 PM CST

breezee wrote:
Fallingman wrote:
wrote:
I suppose the problem is that if you find a reason to boycott one Olympics you can find a reason to boycott them all..except the Australian ones...then that is the end of the Olympics. But maybe that is what we have come to!


Hi FM
I'm greek australian.
Just wondering how come you made aus an exception.
Is it some kind of joke I'm not tuned into?


He meant only Australia has a clean plate.

Which we will have to forgive him for.

He is Irish and doesnt know about

Nauru

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Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:01 PM CST
The Moscow Olympics was boycotted by many countries.

I knew a guy in the Army who won a bronze medal in the Moscow Olympics (heavyweight Judo).....i doubt he'd have won a medal at all if half the competition was missing.

There is not a SINGLE country that couldn't be boycotted for some reason or other - many could justify boycotting the USA, for example, because they might believe that the USA illegally invaded Iraq.

We could boycott Sweden because we dislike blondes even!

What I'm saying is this:

We do not want a country that suppresses its people to win a diplomatic star for hosting the Olympic Games, but it's a bit bloody late in the day..the time to put pressure on a country is before the decision has been made - not after.

I believe the Olympic committee (a pretty obscure and shady lot) has been cleaned up a little in recent times - but it was made of of some of the most corrupt and wealthy individuals on this planet for decades!
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:17 PM CST
lilman42437 wrote:
Buddhist monks are very dangerous. Kinda like ninjas.


Yeah, as the Ninja Turtles?

Like how many Ninja Turtles, are there?
And how many Bhuddist monks ? blues
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:18 PM CST
Detente wrote:
Idealistically speaking...no...definately not. But, I'm not sure how the world would cope without it's biennial dose os synchronized swimming.


Good to see we are of the same opinion here! thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:18 PM CST
highplains wrote:
I would love to see the US boycott the games......


I would LOVE that too sad flower
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rasgumby
Moberly, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:39 PM CST
Ulimaroa wrote:
I wish all wealthy nations
join in a boycott.

All this talk,
forever
and ever...
that regimes should not suppress people
"There shall never be a repeat of
a holocaust or genocide"

Where was everyone
when Rwanda became a battlefield,
a slaughter yard?

And its happening right now.

Where is everyone???

Why dont the politicians see
the outrage in their people.

What a BLOODY FARCE these Olympic games are! :barf

If all western nations banded together,
there would need not be fear
of an economical backlash by
China.


If Germany wants to take on this China problem.. go ahead.
He have our hands in too many fires already.
There is an old saying, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
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rasgumby
Moberly, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:40 PM CST
rasgumby wrote:
If Germany wants to take on this China problem.. go ahead.
He have our hands in too many fires already.
There is an old saying, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.


oops..
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:49 PM CST
rasgumby wrote:
If Germany wants to take on this China problem.. go ahead.
He have our hands in too many fires already.
There is an old saying, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.


True.

I forgot about your current affairs thumbs up

However, its not Germany ...
but all nations who live peacefully cool
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rasgumby
Moberly, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 11:56 PM CST
Ulimaroa wrote:
True.

I forgot about your current affairs

However, its not Germany ...
but all nations who live peacefully


I dont mean to be grouchy,, I just think we need to pull the weeds from our own garden first.
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Ulimaroa
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
Posted: Apr 10, 2008, 1:12 AM CST
Fallingman wrote:
Hi Breezee,,

My reason for making an exception is that the Australian games in Sydney in my opinion were the best ever games and in the spirit they should be held in. There are arguments for boycotting the Chinese, Russian, American, Korean etc games.....actually I probably should have left out Barcelona too...those were good games. Didn't the african nations boycott Montreal?


Why Barcelona moping ???
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CuspofMagic
space/energy, South Australia Australia
Posted: Apr 10, 2008, 2:38 AM CST
--- the games are an ideal media platform for the world to see injustices that have been performed and still are by the Communist regime in China
--- bring on the games --- let the torch make its journeys --- let the protests and protesters be given their individual free birth right and let the media do its job and bring to the fore the aforementioned yay
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bodleing
Greater Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
Posted: Apr 10, 2008, 4:56 AM CST
The Dalai Lama has just announced he
thinks its a good thing that the games
are being held in China and he would
not like to see any disruption.

Such tolerance is a humbling thing.



peace
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Fallingman
dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Apr 10, 2008, 7:07 AM CST
Vido1 wrote:
Conrad73 wrote:
Berlin 1936 comes to mind.
Playing into the hands of a RegimeCan we seperate the "Games" from politics? I don't think so (see 1936!). Because the poloticians are the ones who are mostly interested of having them!
The big companies (like Siemens, VW etc) are having too many stacks in this country, so they are only interested to have their investments save!
And what sense have those games in these days anyway? Just look at all the reports regarding doping (biking as the worst example) and all those athlets, who won medails and have to give them back later!

It's nothing but a comercial game! Those 5 rings should be replaced by dollar - signs!

And that's why I believe: We don't need the games at all


Good post

You really have a point there Vido!

I think it is kind of a separate issue but the whole concept of fraternal contests between honest athletes from the whole world is debased by drugs and cheating. I mean, who can trust a medal winner any more after Marion Jones and Ben Johnson and Karl Lewis and Lynford Christie and many others? dunno

The games have always been used by regimes to promote their country - why else would they take on the massive expenditure involved - it is understandable. I do have some sympathy for those who say that politicians use these boycott threats to avoid having to take REAL decisions in the REAL world - like economic boycotts.

I think I might go for long walks this summer in the fresh air and avoid the drug games but I think all nations who want to should compete.

By the way, while I am very sympathetic to the Tibetans, it is they and their supporters who are causing the trouble at the moment using the publicity of the games.

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Fallingman
dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Apr 10, 2008, 7:09 AM CST
Ulimaroa wrote:
Why Barcelona ???


I like Barcelona!

....actually I like Athens too and theirs were good games as well

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