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patrickthomas
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 6:28 PM CST
I am trying to remember where this happens. There is a Country that when you kill someone you have to take the place of that person financially for the rest of your life.
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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 6:31 PM CST
patrickthomas wrote:
I am trying to remember where this happens. There is a Country that when you kill someone you have to take the place of that person financially for the rest of your life.


Good idea PT. If only we had a wish list angel

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Tamarory
Widnes, Cheshire, England UK
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 6:32 PM CST
id stick them in a cattle shed in the island and let them become cannibals! but, with no. 2, do these murderers even get a sentance?? or just meet the family? there is people out there that kill others just for the fun of it... they thrive on looking at another families pain
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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 6:44 PM CST
Tamarory wrote:
id stick them in a cattle shed in the island and let them become cannibals! but, with no. 2, do these murderers even get a sentance?? or just meet the family? there is people out there that kill others just for the fun of it... they thrive on looking at another families pain


No cattle shed for the Islanders. Couldn't risk perpetuation of the sick act with a substitution.

Oh yes there would be a sentence. In the case of Murder there would be a life sentence. Jury of their peers would decide level of responsibility in the crime but Judges (see previous post) would decide the sentence. Antiquated laws in this country would be overhauled. Life should mean life. with deliberation of your peers.
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HJFinAZ
Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 7:23 PM CST
Tamarory wrote:
hey, this is kind of a follow up on slims rage thread.. and it got me thinkin.. why do we need prisons?? its a luxury theses days, wht cant it just be a simple system like whatever crime you commit, you get it done back you?? you rob a bank for 1,000 you pay it back, or work community service for free until you do?? you beat up somebody outside a pub for no reason, you get a beating yourself from some big 7ft jean claude van damme guy?? you kill somebody and proved guilty.. then tough shit, who are you to take someones life, your dead??

why cant this be the way, i think its proper order..


Check out Sheriff Joe Arpio and the Maricopa County, AZ jail. These clowns get to sleep in tents when it is 115 degrees outside. They whine about it being hot & Joe tells them the troops in Iraq withstand 130 degree temps with full field packs..rolling on the floor laughing

Also, they are on a 1200 calorie a day diet...yay

They usually don't come back..grin
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DadofDucks
Wentzville, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 7:35 PM CST
Tamarory wrote:
hey, this is kind of a follow up on slims rage thread.. and it got me thinkin.. why do we need prisons?? its a luxury theses days, wht cant it just be a simple system like whatever crime you commit, you get it done back you?? you rob a bank for 1,000 you pay it back, or work community service for free until you do?? you beat up somebody outside a pub for no reason, you get a beating yourself from some big 7ft jean claude van damme guy?? you kill somebody and proved guilty.. then tough shit, who are you to take someones life, your dead??

why cant this be the way, i think its proper order..


I think Ive heard of this "eye for an eye" punishment and Im okay with it.cheers handshake dancing banana dancing banana
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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Apr 9, 2008, 7:45 PM CST
HJFinAZ wrote:
Check out Sheriff Joe Arpio and the Maricopa County, AZ jail. These clowns get to sleep in tents when it is 115 degrees outside. They whine about it being hot & Joe tells them the troops in Iraq withstand 130 degree temps with full field packs..

Also, they are on a 1200 calorie a day diet...

They usually don't come back..


Here they receive better meals (nutritionally) than the kids in our society that have cigarettes put out on them.
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 4:53 AM CST
How would this work with sexual offender's, such as rapists ???
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prncss4someone
Hopeful, Michigan USA
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 6:36 AM CST
[quote=Tamarory]hey, this is kind of a follow up on slims rage thread.. and it got me thinkin.. why do we need prisons?? its a luxury theses days, wht cant it just be a simple system like whatever crime you commit, you get it done back you?? you rob a bank for 1,000 you pay it back, or work community service for free until you do?? you beat up somebody outside a pub for no reason, you get a beating yourself from some big 7ft jean claude van damme guy?? you kill somebody and proved guilty.. then tough shit, who are you to take someones life, your dead??

why cant this be the way, i think its proper order..[/quote



drinking sounds a bit medieval, but I also don't believe in housing people like cattle. If we took all the prison and jail inmates, put them to work - not talking about breaking rocks, but rather, maybe building homes for the disadvantaged, beautifying parks etc...then also made them get a serious education or learn a solid trade-making their days busy with work, school and then boot camp type exercise, maybe some would come out of it and have enough skills and confidence to not want to come back.


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joanie04984
North Woods, Maine USA
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 7:11 AM CST
So....we close the prisons....just open the doors and let the prisoners out?

And change the court system...so that every punishment fits the crime.

And everyone who breaks the law will willingly show up in court?

And the rest of the group will be out and about?



Sounds like a plan that those in jail right now would love laugh
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dcj22
Somewhere, Minnesota USA
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 8:27 AM CST
HJFinAZ wrote:
Check out Sheriff Joe Arpio and the Maricopa County, AZ jail. These clowns get to sleep in tents when it is 115 degrees outside. They whine about it being hot & Joe tells them the troops in Iraq withstand 130 degree temps with full field packs..

Also, they are on a 1200 calorie a day diet...

They usually don't come back..



I've seen news articles about this guy. He's brilliant. He also put them back in black and white stripes. In Alabama, they also put them back on chain gangs.

Some of the old ways do work better.

And I don't know about Ireland, but here, if someone robs, they do prison time and they have to pay restitution of the amount that they robbed.
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tampa1
London, Ontario Canada
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 10:04 AM CST
Tamarory wrote:
hey, this is kind of a follow up on slims rage thread.. and it got me thinkin.. why do we need prisons?? its a luxury theses days, wht cant it just be a simple system like whatever crime you commit, you get it done back you?? you rob a bank for 1,000 you pay it back, or work community service for free until you do?? you beat up somebody outside a pub for no reason, you get a beating yourself from some big 7ft jean claude van damme guy?? you kill somebody and proved guilty.. then tough shit, who are you to take someones life, your dead??

why cant this be the way, i think its proper order..



Well if you want that kind of law, move to Texas......lol
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rasgumby
Moberly, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 10:26 AM CST
Wouldn't work, we would soon be back to mob rule days.. back to mob hangings, witch burning and so on.

however.. child molesters are easy... cut off all of their equipment and leave them with nothing but a cath bag. if they are stupid enough to do it a second time.. death.

As for killers.. they die also, but the victims family should be allowed to kill them.. not someone else. and kill them in the same way they killed.

however....
Law is too corrupt, if someone was killed because any law official lied, covered up evidence or in any way cheated to convict someone.. they should get the same sentence as the defendant.

The law says DNA and many other types of evidence are almost 100%.
if that is true... they should have to bet their life on it!
If it is found out later they it was wrong... They die!

But I will go one further... If anyone lies about a crime..saying they were raped, beaten or whatever crime... and it can be proven that they lied.... This person should get the same Prison/ jail time as the defendant would have received!
This will stop people from making false claims for revenge just because they are mad at someone... And it does happen often!
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rasgumby
Moberly, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 10:28 AM CST
Just that too many innocent lives are ruined for nothing.
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 10:30 AM CST
But I will go one further... If anyone lies about a crime..saying they were raped, beaten or whatever crime... and it can be proven that they lied.... This person should get the same Prison/ jail time as the defendant would have received!
This will stop people from making false claims for revenge just because they are mad at someone... And it does happen often!


Hi ras. wave i agree happens far to often thumbs up
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Tamarory
Widnes, Cheshire, England UK
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 10:37 AM CST
rasgumby is on the ball, you hit the nail on the head there my man..handshake
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rasgumby
Moberly, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 10:43 AM CST
Tamarory wrote:
rasgumby is on the ball, you hit the nail on the head there my man..


For the record.... I have never done prison time or charged with a crime.
But Really gets me when I see the cases where PA lies and so on.. and after years and years in prison, or after someone is executed just to find out that they were innocent.

I can just Imagine how I would feel and what I would be thinking If I were to be sitting for 20 years on death row for something I didnt do.

But people like Manson and Peterson should already be dead.
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 10:46 AM CST
rasgumby wrote:
Wouldn't work, we would soon be back to mob rule days.. back to mob hangings, witch burning and so on.

however.. child molesters are easy... cut off all of their equipment and leave them with nothing but a cath bag. if they are stupid enough to do it a second time.. death.

As for killers.. they die also, but the victims family should be allowed to kill them.. not someone else. and kill them in the same way they killed.

however....
Law is too corrupt, if someone was killed because any law official lied, covered up evidence or in any way cheated to convict someone.. they should get the same sentence as the defendant.

The law says DNA and many other types of evidence are almost 100%.
if that is true... they should have to bet their life on it!
If it is found out later they it was wrong... They die!

But I will go one further... If anyone lies about a crime..saying they were raped, beaten or whatever crime... and it can be proven that they lied.... This person should get the same Prison/ jail time as the defendant would have received!
This will stop people from making false claims for revenge just because they are mad at someone... And it does happen often!


That was cut and pasted from the big "O's" website, wasn't it? laugh
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patrickthomas
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
Posted: Apr 13, 2008, 5:37 PM CST
Midship wrote:
Ok then...welcome to Justice Angel My Overhaul: Ohhhhhh I get to be Judge for 30 seconds :) And 30 seconds only...election is optional lol

1) If you knock over a Nanny/Nana (Grandmother/Grandfather to get a fix...you will spend 12 months in a rehabilitation facility...No exceptions or bad starts in life allowed. You're here because you had a bad one, you will stay and you will see there are better ways to lead your life, if it kills, our mentors have have turned their lives around.) Here you will be given the option to turn your life around. If you are addicted to the high...take up windsurfing...it's much less hanging around than surfing. No offense Dudes

2) If you have killed, you will face the family in close quarters that you have affected. No violence, no-one will physically attack you in the manner you took life. Nothing will bring anyone back. Call me a libertarian, I don't mind, I have my values do you. Prove it, I have a publicly elected council to decide if you have proven it.

3) Pedophilia...Enjoy your sentence. You will be accommodated on the Island. (It has to be contained) What...your complaint is that you do not have internet access on this Island...you will not be afforded contact with the outside world. You have proven that you cannot behave. And don't even begin to say it is your basic human right.


This seems to be the only Humanitarian response to this.

It is extraordinary that a lot of people here would like to treat law-breakers in ways that are contrary to our existing laws!

I hope that these people never achieve any level of authority in this country without first changing their minds about crime and punishment, or we will have serious problems on our hands.

Anyone familiar with the Stanford expirement?
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metalartist989
Midland USA
Posted: Jun 15, 2008, 9:03 PM CST
Tamarory wrote:
hey, this is kind of a follow up on slims rage thread.. and it got me thinkin.. why do we need prisons?? its a luxury theses days, wht cant it just be a simple system like whatever crime you commit, you get it done back you?? you rob a bank for 1,000 you pay it back, or work community service for free until you do?? you beat up somebody outside a pub for no reason, you get a beating yourself from some big 7ft jean claude van damme guy?? you kill somebody and proved guilty.. then tough shit, who are you to take someones life, your dead??

why cant this be the way, i think its proper order..


dropping jawa luxury? ...LOL.. have you ever BEEN to prison? ...not that I have, but I know people that have... it's no luxury.
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