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[b]DOES VIRGINITY REALLY MATTERS IN TODAYS WORLD?[/b]

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[b]DOES VIRGINITY REALLY MATTERS IN TODAYS WORLD?[/b]

Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:25 AM CST
indienartz wrote:
The outrage against actress Khushboo's remarks on premarital sex continues. But is remaining a virgin till marriage such a big deal these days?

IF you're 19-years-old, odds that you're a virgin are pretty low. Even recent studies have indicated that's the average age of losing one's virginity.

So why is it that when actress Khushboo reacted to a poll on premarital sex by saying, "No educated man will expect the woman he marries to be a virgin," and director Suhasini Manirathnam supported her views, some groups went berserk?

So in this modern world does being virgin really matters? Or it is of no relaevance whether one has slept with someone else before mairrage?



Love is love no matter what... does such an insignificant thing really matter unless she ids willingly that way. What about the victim, who is an innocent victim of losing their virginity? What about the wayward girl that learned from it all and will always have the punishment enough to regret but she learned?


Go with your heart....heart wings
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Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:27 AM CST
Lionhearted1967 wrote:
Love is love no matter what... does such an insignificant thing really matter unless she ids willingly that way. What about the victim, who is an innocent victim of losing their virginity? What about the wayward girl that learned from it all and will always have the punishment enough to regret but she learned? Go with your heart....


Let her go with her heart too. Does it really matter if you have a woman who fits you in your life and you them? Go with it and follow your heart if you know you are loved.
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:27 AM CST
nasim73 wrote:
Dear Madam,

I think u donot understand my thinking. we wanna give respect of women.

Tell do u like your sis or daughtr loes her virginty before marry,
and do sex many person in life.

Its not human habit, its habit of ------------
If this post is to me, i would rather my daughter had sex with the man she is thinking about marrying, than marry him and be unhappy. My daughter's happiness would be important to me.
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nasim73
Karachi, Sindh Pakistan
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:30 AM CST
i am always click the post

but i think some problem in my exploer. not show your reply.

about this topic am all post adress dear Madam

only for u.
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:36 AM CST
nasim73 wrote:
i am always click the post

but i think some problem in my exploer. not show your reply.

about this topic am all post adress dear Madam

only for u.
thank you thumbs up
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Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:46 AM CST
morganlee wrote:
If this post is to me, i would rather my daughter had sex with the man she is thinking about marrying, than marry him and be unhappy. My daughter's happiness would be important to me.



I think if therir human nature dictates then let it happen. The thing is people charishing what they have and accepting it as it isn't always going to be perfect.
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tinymac
hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:47 AM CST
lol

when you are a father of a daughter then yes - virginity matters!!!!
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:52 AM CST
tinymac wrote:
lol

when you are a father of a daughter then yes - virginity matters!!!!
when you are a Mother as well, i am not saying it's ok to sleep around. But we do have different views depending on influences from our culture. I respect Nasim's opinion and believe's but do not agree that anyone who has sex before marriage is committing a great sin. jmo wine
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:52 AM CST
morganlee wrote:
when you are a Mother as well, i am not saying it's ok to sleep around. But we do have different views depending on influences from our culture. I respect Nasim's opinion and believe's but do not agree that anyone who has sex before marriage is committing a great sin. jmo



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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:52 AM CST
nasim73 wrote:
Dear Madam,Same standard for both, i think u never read saw culture of Pakistan, here do sex before marry a big sin and also illeagle.

Y u r insis these type sin, its your culture ok . u can proud your culture , i fell happy my culture and religion , becoz the give education respect of female.

In your culture female use only thing.
Can u found any girl in your culture who virgin before marry , or any boy who never sex before marry.
and another main thing , in your society mostly marragie unscecssful . No any family system no family values
every person indepndet
At least in your sociect fond Incest.

One thing if any person do before marry here in Pakistan , so its indivual , not feel proud , fell shy, and
in your society mostly people do this work and tell many perons proudly male and female.

Sorry if fell bad my some words , buts its all truth.


Hello... you don't need to apologise for your words..your English is actually quite good :handshake

The thing about different cultures is.. it is futile to try and defend them or condemn them, because alot of what we do is a product of our conditioning within that society, and external elements (including religion).. if I was born on your side of the world, into your religion, my experiences and attitude would reflect this... also I honestly think it makes alot of sense to wait for marriage, and is an admirable thing.. sex in western culture has been demeaned in a lot of ways to something which is not more than a back scratching exercise.. something which is temporary relief to an urge... however, because people on this side of the world are unlikely to marry at a young age, and are likely to get careers etc first, remaining a virgin before marriage is not (in all reality) an easy thing to do(if u don't marry until 30+).. not saying it is right OR wrong, just thats the way our society has evolved..at their core.. most people are essentially good, and are just doing their best (in the way they know how) with their lot.

But I agree with you.. family and family values should come first... it makes for a healthy society..

cheers
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:54 AM CST
Aries01 wrote:
Hello... you don't need to apologise for your words..your English is actually quite good :

The thing about different cultures is.. it is futile to try and defend them or condemn them, because alot of what we do is a product of our conditioning within that society, and external elements (including religion).. if I was born on your side of the world, into your religion, my experiences and attitude would reflect this... also I honestly think it makes alot of sense to wait for marriage, and is an admirable thing.. sex in western culture has been demeaned in a lot of ways to something which is not more than a back scratching exercise.. something which is temporary relief to an urge... however, because people on this side of the world are unlikely to marry at a young age, and are likely to get careers etc first, remaining a virgin before marriage is not (in all reality) an easy thing to do(if u don't marry until 30+).. not saying it is right OR wrong, just thats the way our society has evolved..at their core.. most people are essentially good, and are just doing their best (in the way they know how) with their lot.

But I agree with you.. family and family values should come first... it makes for a healthy society..
Hi Aries wave you put it so well wine
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cutypie
auckland New Zealand
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 5:55 AM CST
So what happens when one marrys the love of their life??
And as some males stray??
Me woman used ??
Do I get stoned??
Im talking [rock] stoned??
We have loved sex lost ??pleasure orgasm??
It is an awsum flow the sexual flow.
confused
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 6:22 AM CST
cutypie wrote:
So what happens when one marrys the love of their life??
And as some males stray??
Me woman used ??
Do I get stoned??
Im talking [rock] stoned??
We have loved sex lost ??pleasure orgasm??
It is an awsum flow the sexual flow.


This confuses me also.. these people are Godly people in that their faith is central to who they are.. and in many ways this in a really good thing... the one thing I would hope that people realise though is it is up to God to judge at the end of the day.. not man...

cheers
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 6:24 AM CST
morganlee wrote:
Hi Aries you put it so well


wave Hiya Morgan..thanks... how are things?? hug
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 6:40 AM CST
Aries01 wrote:
Hiya Morgan..thanks... how are things??
I'm fine thanks, hope you are too hug
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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 6:44 AM CST
morganlee wrote:
Hi Aries you put it so well


Yeah...it was well said...the domestication of our paradigms in our respective cultures always fascinates me.

Sweden's view on sex here is extremely liberal....it is a huge one night stand culture and that is kinda sad. I say that cause I told an elderly woman (neighbor)that I have been kinda lonely lately...her reply was that I go out to the pubs/clubs and find something for that night or for a relationship to take the edge off. I just laughed, but not in a condescending way....I told her I was not into empty one night stand sex and the pubs/clubs is the last place to find somebody for the long term....

I think the individual should decide when to make love, not our society's prescribed nonsense....or notions. Our bodies are made for sex and sex is a strong biological drift. I am an advocate for building a rapport or an intimate rapport before "doing a little dance...and getting down tonight"...
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tufty
Chelmsford, Essex, England UK
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 6:53 AM CST
I'm sure this won't come across as sounding how I wish it too, but...


I'd rather sleep with 20 slappers and see if there was a chance one could be a partner for life than wait 2 years to sleep with a virgin that turned out not to be for sure.....


Love and longevity of relationships have nothing to do with sex, how soon you have sex or how long you wait for sex...
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StressFree
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Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 7:00 AM CST
tufty wrote:
I'm sure this won't come across as sounding how I wish it too, but...I'd rather sleep with 20 slappers and see if there was a chance one could be a partner for life than wait 2 years to sleep with a virgin that turned out not to be for sure.....Love and longevity of relationships have nothing to do with sex, how soon you have sex or how long you wait for sex...


That sounds cool....can't argue with that...makes sense on the waiting 2 years part. IMO...I strongly feel that sex plays an important role in a relationship...
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indienartz
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Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 8:04 AM CST
nasim73 wrote:
Dear Madam,Same standard for both, i think u never read saw culture of Pakistan, here do sex before marry a big sin and also illeagle.

Y u r insis these type sin, its your culture ok . u can proud your culture , i fell happy my culture and religion , becoz the give education respect of female.

In your culture female use only thing.
Can u found any girl in your culture who virgin before marry , or any boy who never sex before marry.
and another main thing , in your society mostly marragie unscecssful . No any family system no family values
every person indepndet
At least in your sociect fond Incest.

One thing if any person do before marry here in Pakistan , so its indivual , not feel proud , fell shy, and
in your society mostly people do this work and tell many perons proudly male and female.

Sorry if fell bad my some words , buts its all truth.



Well i don't seem to agree with this gentleman. Firstly his remarks of wetern culture of premarital sex and failing relationships has no relavance in general. What may be right for one may not be other. To remain virgin till mairrage may be requirement or a merit for people in one culture but may be irrelavant in others. He speaks of sham on western culture but he should see in his own country and culture- women repression, honour killing, forced mairrage and divorces, no fundamental rights for females and dismal women representation in all aspects of society. All i want to say that it is easy to point fingers to others failing to realise that other three fingers points to ourselves.

After all this disscussions and going through the different opinions i strongly feel that virginity is personal choice and its importance lies in the person itself and the society. If the person is not guilty of losing virginity before mairrage than it is absolutely fine. No body should be discriminated on this issue.
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Apr 12, 2008, 9:04 AM CST
indienartz wrote:
Well i don't seem to agree with this gentleman. Firstly his remarks of wetern culture of premarital sex and failing relationships has no relavance in general. What may be right for one may not be other. To remain virgin till mairrage may be requirement or a merit for people in one culture but may be irrelavant in others. He speaks of sham on western culture but he should see in his own country and culture- women repression, honour killing, forced mairrage and divorces, no fundamental rights for females and dismal women representation in all aspects of society. All i want to say that it is easy to point fingers to others failing to realise that other three fingers points to ourselves.

After all this disscussions and going through the different opinions i strongly feel that virginity is personal choice and its importance lies in the person itself and the society. If the person is not guilty of losing virginity before mairrage than it is absolutely fine. No body should be discriminated on this issue.
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