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now you're outsourcing Its difficult if you understand and are concious of this source to be physical and cognizant at the same time but I do think they are inextricable until the physical passes on. Where we focus our attention is where we are

The Jesuits did indeed produce some amazing scholars Solitare I have Chardins 'On Love' which has been one of my most treasured posessions for many years.

I Just thought I would post some of his quotes and hope nobody minds...........

Growing old is like being increasingly penalized for a crime you haven't committed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

He that will believe only what he can fully comprehend must have a long head or a very short creed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

In the final analysis, the questions of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

It is our duty as men and women to proceed as though the limits of our abilities do not exist.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Love alone can unite living beings so as to complete and fulfill them... for it alone joins them by what is deepest in themselves. All we need is to imagine our ability to love developing until it embraces the totality of men and the earth.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Love is the affinity which links and draws together the elements of the world... Love, in fact, is the agent of universal synthesis.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Our duty, as men and women, is to proceed as if limits to our ability did not exist. We are collaborators in creation.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

The most satisfying thing in life is to have been able to give a large part of one's self to others.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

The world is round so that friendship may encircle it.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

now you're outsourcing Its difficult if you understand and are concious of this source to be physical and cognizant at the same time but I do think they are inextricable until the physical passes on. Where we focus our attention is where we are

Hiya ... will you explain this concept of Astral Plane to me? I have heard bits about Astral projection and all that kind of stuff.. but I am not sure conceptually what an 'Astral Plane' represents..

Maybe for you, but not for me....and yes very perplexing indeed. Yes, focus on the now because that is what we can control with your thoughts and actions....good or bad and in between.

Hiya ... will you explain this concept of Astral Plane to me? I have heard bits about Astral projection and all that kind of stuff.. but I am not sure conceptually what an 'Astral Plane' represents..

Nature will act when the earth's balance is not in harmony according to indiginous beliefs.

You like to listen to the Doors or did you pull that out of our archives in a Carl Jung sense?

We chased our pleasures here
Dug our treasures there
But can you still recall
The time we cried
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side

I am having urges towards adding acceptance to being watching once again what happens when we try to analyse the ineffable.

Just to add in my own words outside of theosophy, is that there exists an infinite amount of astral planes that are simultaneous with ours. It may be in the future, past, and a parallel lifetime.

A lot of those astral planes we go to is determined by our Karmic energy and vibration connected with our journey. So we are gravitated to an astral plane in line with our karmas that we need to work out.

It's like this, think of your TV, think of the channel you are tuned into. Meanwhile there are about 50 other channels showing programs. You can't see them, but they all exist. You can't see them because you are not tuned into those channels. You can only watch or experience the channel you are tuned into or watching.
And you are watching that particular channel for a reason.....catch my drift?

Have never read jung, though my impression is that if one wants information, one can get it from the 'source' in meditation or by request in thought. Can I claim my thoughts and their answers to be my own? I am a vessel of expression seeking its time.

I dont find it difficult either Stress Free - I experienced quite a bit of life through 'the doors of perception' in the sixties and seventies and so KNOW these things have a reality. The main stumbling block is in perceptions and conditioning - imo

Yes you can. If you ask, seek and align yourself, it will come. It all there in the archives of the human experience in our universe....from the past and future which is the same if you discard time as a concept. Think as reference points.

Its difficult if you understand and are concious of this source to be physical and cognizant at the same time

Maybe for you, but not for me..

are you contradicting your earlier words then? which were..
or saying quite something else Mr Chopra?

are you contradicting your earlier words then? which were..
or saying quite something else Mr Chopra?

Awesome....I agree.

I wish I could have experienced the 60's. Especially the free love part or randomness of it....well not really now, but if I was 20 or something..

you and trish could start the religion of ambiguity and ineffability

Please, not him. My name is stressfree. I sense a disturbance in the force that we share?

If we either of us gave credence to religion, you are probably correct.

Trying to dissect spirituality is a little like putting the aurora borealis under a microscope. Lights and mirrors, with a hint of smoke on the sidelines.

There is eternal beauty in ambiguity and a freedom in not really caring what the answer is because I have no need to be right.

I have faith. Not in anything or anyone. It just is, and has been central to my being for a while. When I was a teenager I looked for something to attach the faith to. Now I just shrug and let it sustain me without defining me.

Usually keeps me out of arguments (not always ) lets me string the moments of my life like pearls.

a disturbance is a sign that your thoughts are unsound or challenged?