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So it is OK for a left side President to KICK AlQeada, Hezbollah and Iranian ass........and not a Republican? LOL....that has got to be the most contridictary thing you hvae said here to yet. GWB and the mil came up with a plan in Iraq to just that......and have done just that. That is why there are fewer foreign fighter coming into Iraq these days. They went over and got their ass chewed big time. They don't want to play as much anymore. And the world is safer place because of it. Dem just don't want to admit it......it contridict immoral war and
thier other thinking on it.

Sound pretty sexist when you say the first woman to run for President should drop out because she tearing the Dem party apart. Specially since it Obama that is one refusing to seat the deligates of FL and
MI.....do that and you have a much closer contest. And with Hillary poised to win big in PA.....his grap of super deligats drops more.
Of the remaining state only a one is a given to Obama.....Hillary can
win big in the all rest......specially with the things he is saying and the people of his past coming back to haunt him.

At least Hillary put the shot gun to her shoulder and pulled the trigger.
She might of had her eyes closed when she hit the duck. Obama has his closed now about what the world is and who the good guys and bad guys are. And yes, knowing those mil systems as Command in Chief is important.

There is a big difference between military weapon systems and civil firearms. Barak Obama has his knowledge base of weapons from the streets of Chicago.....gang land drives by....holds up with hand guns, etc.

These mil weapons are not in the hands of kids. I assure you. In the hands of sworn military with advanced training in thier maintenance and use. They under orders that go all the way back to the Pentagon and from thier to the White House.

So how do you expect Obama to kick AlQeada, Hezbollah or Iranian ass if he does not know these systems and thier abilities? Spit balls?

When you get tired of the weather, come on over become naturalized citizen and then you can vote. The doors are open........

No indy...the Bushney,s has made a real deep anarchy out of poor raped Iraq and all their politics a bout the situation has been a total fiasco for the country and for America as well!

Kicking asses is not a bout playing with muscles all the time....it is very delicate and it is a bout usage of the Brain first and then if it is neccesary showing the poer of muscles as well and allowing the oponent to see guns are there as well.

Your Bushney,s well......they just keep killing human beings and counting on others will be scared and in that way they challenge iraqis resistence ability and they are able to resist...be sure they are! They have won over british earlier and if this muscle fight goes on and on it will end as it ended for Vietnam war and that will be truely sad....

Nixon and his look a likes killed 3 milions of those poor people and at last they fleeded with great humility and shame for ever a bout the way that battle was faught! And they created a lot frustrated americans whom are sickend for ever as the current nominated one McCain is, as the only "remarcable" result!

I know to day Vietnam is totaly differnet ....but it surely took so many years of horrible problems for the whole country before they were "back" and iraqis dislike that kind of bull shit......be certain this is the case TT.

Just imagine Jimmy Carter is in the middle east now on days to try making conversation possible between the enemies and what Olmert does? Typichal Bushney method! He do not want to meet Carter and by that showing that he just wants a continuation of the insanity and making one settlement after another even the same Bushneys "lying" a bout they are agianst new settle ments! A real cirkus with amator actors is played in the middle east now on days and Real tryings a bout Peace is pushed back by horrible politicians of theBushney,s dynasty!

The shut gun Hillary has put on her shoulder will give her self the greatest hang over soon TT.....Her shoulders are not strong enough to hold on to the Kick back of the shut gun and actually you as the "military strategist" should know better! You dont shoot with a shut gun On your shoulder TT......Do ya? The kick back is too powerful and will hurt you shoulder badly! Shoot in the right way next time oak?

PA is not important at all........and every body with the smallest knowledge a bout sociology knows this stuff!

Actually because yor current president does not have a clue a bout how wars shall be fought and not having an idea a bout how casualties amoung civilians will be the main reason America will "loose" if the same business continues, America is where America is here and now and after more than a five years day and night in Hell created by the Bushney,s them selves!

And McCain as an old timer with bad temper and as a bully he has always been even when he was a young boy and before he got fu...d up in Vietnam in his mind, and with his being honored by endorsements of the whole Bushney,s dynasty and by Hagee and Parsley likes......is not the solution either!

He is not a general and he is not a military strategist or any thing like that!

Just an old bitter dude whom really wants to do some thing Right in his life before he retires and He surely Cant!

Sorry Indy the one above is for TT and not for you

Dude, we are still waiting for that list of systemic logistic problems from the Senator. The kind of logistic problems that get people killed in combat...........still yet to see it. It only has been 6 weeks now since DoD asked him for it. After his spin on a missing 50 cal in Afhganistan.

Follow thru on little things like the logistic problems of fuel, bullets, meds, food, to the front lines is an important thing. Guess he has gotten buzy in with winning the nomintation and has forgotten about it.

See that is a trait of an elitist. It is all about "them". "Thier vote" that you don't give "them", because you are living in rural PA and don't see things 'my way'. "Thier right place" in society, because they are of a minority. "Thier ability" to make the right decisions for you, because of "thier education" at lofty secondary institutions. "Thier ability" to unite the country, because "they can speak better" to address its issues.

The problem with being an elitist in America..is this. You don't leave anything for the rest of us to do. It is all about you and what you can do.

Obama does not DECIEVE people? LOL.........wow.......Did I just read that? The media here is asking "which Obama" are we getting........the elitist Obama OR the smooth talking Obama OR the money grapping Obama OR the arrogant Obama OR the racial Obama. He is losing credibility like a stone falling in a lake, Dude.

Hey Dude, if Obama wins.....are you coming to the US? And if he loses......and either McCain or Hillary get in.......still making the trip?
It might be dangerous trip if a nucin' McCain or duck shootin' Hillary wins. But if Obama wins it might be a dangerous trip as well with Ayers and other like him free to run around to plant bombs here.
With Obama lack of military knowledge, that might be a little dangerous as well.....he might order one of those nucs to be tested whree ever you are....just to see if they work or not.

America will be there as a country either McCain takes over or Clinton or Obama but I am totaly certain America with a wonderful presidnet as Obama is a better place for americans and by that for turists as well. And as a matter of fact yeah I love america as told before and will surely enjoy revisiting as well. It has been wonderful to talk with americans a bout policy....in the begining of the Bushney,s and last time I was there a bout how most people were so tired of any thing a bout the Bushney,s for years to come even!

Your elitist calling Obama is also a matter which can be discussed in deed......Actually the man whom was raised from a single mom and not like Bush with a golden spoon shoved in his behind all his life or as McCain with a family of militarised individuals all surely gained a lot money because of their weapon indsutry interests are the ones whom can be called real "elitists"!

Obama just was able to take him self out of the past and became a brave politician with a lot interest for reasons a bout the matters which worrying and bittering americans! Many "elitists" even, endorsing him as well and that is the main miracle a bout this battle!

I know it is hard for you to accept this TT ......Really I feel the pain you feel that way

Where do you hold the Butt of a Shot-Gun then,if not against your Shoulder????Against your CROTCH?
Shit,you're only getting OLDER

BTW,plenty Nixon-Lookalikes!!!!!!!

Actually because yor current president does not have a clue a bout how wars shall be fought and not having an idea a bout how casualties amoung civilians will be the main reason America will "loose" if the same business continues, America is where America is here and now and after more than a five years day and night in Hell created by the Bushney,s them selves!

And McCain as an old timer with bad temper and as a bully he has always been even when he was a young boy and before he got fu...d up in Vietnam in his mind, and with his being honored by endorsements of the whole Bushney,s dynasty and by Hagee and Parsley likes......is not the solution either!

He is not a general and he is not a military strategist or any thing like that!

Just an old bitter dude whom really wants to do some thing Right in his life before he retires and He surely Cant![/quote]

So Jimmy Carter is in the middle east and going to bring it peace? Gets slighted by Omert and now its the Bushney fault? They asked him not to go......told him he was not part of the process.....he being an elitist as well......says I can make this work...I now how to talk to Hamas.....been doing it for a long time, even.

So now that the kicking ass of Hezbollah, AlQeada and Iran have turned in a' mental excercise' for Obama and he going to use 'brain power' to thier kick butt.

It remind me of the kid in high school that plays a great game of chess and at a 110 pounds decides to go out for the football team. They give him a uniform and the equipment.....get him to real game.....give him the ball and he running with it.....and then he sees those 250 pound line men and linebackers of the defence coming for him. The ability to mentally figure out this situation tends to be lost as helmets fly off, balls get knock away, and various body parts are bruised and broken.
In other words he was outclassed and should not have been there.
The coach that put him into the game made a really bad mistake.

It the same here. You try to play a mental game with these guys.....Hezbollah, AlQeada, Iran........when they have ak-47, rpgs,
tactical missiles, and on and on.........it is real body parts not being broken and bruised......real body parts being severed and holed.
Obama goes in with the idea that he can talk them away from terrorism.....like Jimmy is soon to try......they will eventually test him to see if he is really serious. If he backs, they test again only greater. If he backs again, again they test.....each test getting more and more violent and deadly. That is your mental game that will go on with a Obama presidency.

If Jimmy gets his ceasefire.....how long do you think it will last? I give it a week. The rockets from the Gaza to Isreal are near daily, Omert could not show any kind of support to Jimmy under such a conditions. Bushine had nothing to do with it.

Just some very honest info here.

The vast majority of civilian deaths in Iraq. And yes they are happening.
Is done by AlQeada and Mehdii Army.....not by IDF or US forces.

Oh my! A gun specialist Wow!!!!!!
Shut gun ...... Conrad? Big...huge......kick back.......needs a lot concidrations to hold while in use so you are not hurting your self as well!
You can handle a Beretta 950 B maximum! So dont interfear when big boys are Talking !

So Jimmy Carter is in the middle east and going to bring it peace? Gets slighted by Omert and now its the Bushney fault? They asked him not to go......told him he was not part of the process.....he being an elitist as well......says I can make this work...I now how to talk to Hamas.....been doing it for a long time, even.

So now that the kicking ass of Hezbollah, AlQeada and Iran have turned in a' mental excercise' for Obama and he going to use 'brain power' to thier kick butt.

It remind me of the kid in high school that plays a great game of chess and at a 110 pounds decides to go out for the football team. They give him a uniform and the equipment.....get him to real game.....give him the ball and he running with it.....and then he sees those 250 pound line men and linebackers of the defence coming for him. The ability to mentally figure out this situation tends to be lost as helmets fly off, balls get knock away, and various body parts are bruised and broken.
In other words he was outclassed and should not have been there.
The coach that put him into the game made a really bad mistake.

It the same here. You try to play a mental game with these guys.....Hezbollah, AlQeada, Iran........when they have ak-47, rpgs,
tactical missiles, and on and on.........it is real body parts not being broken and bruised......real body parts being severed and holed.
Obama goes in with the idea that he can talk them away from terrorism.....like Jimmy is soon to try......they will eventually test him to see if he is really serious. If he backs, they test again only greater. If he backs again, again they test.....each test getting more and more violent and deadly. That is your mental game that will go on with a Obama presidency.

If Jimmy gets his ceasefire.....how long do you think it will last? I give it a week. The rockets from the Gaza to Isreal are near daily, Omert could not show any kind of support to Jimmy under such a conditions. Bushine had nothing to do with it.

Just some very honest info here.

The vast majority of civilian deaths in Iraq. And yes they are happening.
Is done by AlQeada and Mehdii Army.....not by IDF or US forces.[/quote]
Of course not many chances for Carter to create a real cease fire now when Olmert rejecting visiting the guy.....thats really insulting for a former president of your country and you should be disturbed some how because of this but ok you are a Re-pube so

There would be no casualties excatly becasue of the US occupation if the damn thing was never autorised in the first place.....Get back to reality TT!

Of course not many chances for Carter to create a real cease fire now when Olmert rejecting visiting the guy.....thats really insulting for a former president of your country and you should be disturbed some how because of this but ok you are a Re-pube so

There would be no casualties excatly becasue of the US occupation if the damn thing was never autorised in the first place.....Get back to reality TT!

I'm a elitist? I am one of those poor hillybilly type Dude. I worked my butt doing 3 jobs to hack it thru college. Did 6 years in the service as a
NCO. Been consulting on gov't and mil stuff since I got out in the mid 80s. Where do you see elitist there? Just happens that the gov't when apporached in a honest and bonfided manner.....without splew and hate mixed in.....tends to like my ideas....I give them those explainations that you tend to dislike and discredit.

Honest story. My last report to DC......they took care of the issue in 7 days time, after it was presented. It was that pressing an issue. I have been doing this since 89.....OK? A long time. 20 years. I have gained respect with many American with what I do. But I don't come at this as a Elitists does. My motives are alot different than a elitists.

Example if I knew there was a military systemic logistic problem occuring and DoD says.....give us a report on it.......it would have been their desks in 7 days time.....maybe 10 tops. I would not play a political game with such a life and death issue.

If Obama get elected, this is my last Adminstration to be involved with. Not sure if I will do anything for Hillary or McCain at this point. If Obama gets elected there will be lot of gov't people leaving.jmo
So I hope he has a deep reservior of gov't type to bring in. He will need them.

I got a few last reports and pieces to do....likely can get them done by
November's election. I am done.....the big "R"....while I am not going to reflect on that here....I will say this.......I have enjoyed greatly giving my service and time to my country.

Just because Kerry endorses him.....does not mean that most of America does........because most in America are repelled by elitist attitudes and goals.

I dont think you are an elitist!But one of those White male bittered ones whom forcing your attacks a gainst the very worng one TT as THE MAN pointed out very clearly some days a go!

Your services are appriated by any americans but your feelings a bout your being appriciate enough or not, are abused when you meet other republicans and not all of them of course...those whom creating Anger a gainst Real friends of America and abusing patriotism a bout your country to make every body Obey and by that eliminationg any opposition toward those whom really looting the whole country as no body else before!

You can still serve your country if Obama wins any way! Go to democrats and reveil your knowledge a bout how people were deceived in all these years! That will be a true and honurable way of serving your country a gain for sure!

Remember 'vector between terrorist and Iran'......that is why we are in Iraq. You see it as a illegal war. With terrorism you are not fighting nation states.....but individuals and groups you need to identify and to engage. Our presence in Iraq does just that.

One of my pieces a was a man power study of AlQeada after 9/11. How it would tap into the 1b person, mostly moderate and non violent Moslems.....to bring many of them to militancy and radicalism Jahid....from all over the Islamic world. Iraq was a 1 1/2 years after 9/11. Think that the timing for the Iraq war was concidental? We saw the ranks of Hamas, Hezbollah and other groups filling from 9/11. We saw radical Islam gaining strength in the middle east. We saw Iran supporting this in that intrimin period.

I cannot spell it out any clearer for you, than just what you have read.
Even Obama say that we need to be there today....to engage AlQeada. Better there....than elsewhere.

Yeah... I know surely a bout all teoretichal reasons the Bushney,s tried to shove us all with since 9/11......
But my ass is sield off for any bull shit from the Bushney,s and thats why I dream a bout a candidate as Obama whom knows where exactly the problems are and how they can be fixed in a propper way and with less causalties amoung inoncent ones as well.

Bush and his look a likes have not a clue a bout a resonable way to fight a gainst this and thats why they have been a failur!

Dont forget TT.......

It is not only me thinking this way!

More than 70 procent of your own countrymen thinking the same!

Do you care at all a bout this Fact? I mean you are just representing thoughts which have been disproofed long time a go!'

Actually if we concider how an averege American thinks now after awakwning, I would be concidered much more "Patriotic" because of better dreams and meanings for the best of the country than you! I know I am not american but still I am right a bout this!

The time of "Either you are with us or a gainst us" Bull shit is over an out! Patriot act is history and people know much more now on days thanks to the catasrophy the Bushney,s created for America!

Does this shaking you at all TT?

If Obama wins. Here is what happens.

You will have a flood of SES types leaving gov't service. SES...senior executive service. So he has to fill these SES jobs, yes? Where does he go to fill the SES jobs? He has this number flip flob Congression men with staffs to fill the jobs from.

Those that have been in gov't service for long times will be over looked and passed over as he places left and far left people into decision making position. To the spoils go the victor, Dude. Those SES jobs are part of the spoils.

I feel sorry for the middle level guys that have doing the work for the last 8 years, hoping for a chance at a SES job. But with Obama as President I don't seem many getting them. Those SES will go to his close buddies.....and think about his associates some.....those are his close buddies.

Even if the SES decides to stay. He does it another way. He create appointed positions over them. Either way it is a no win for someone to stay in it after he wins. So I feel bad for them....rock and hard place coming with a Obama win. Maybe even with a Hillary win.

I am independant.....self employed.....so I get the choice here. And no what I have given the Bushines and Clintons stays here in confidence.

Ever done Military Service,Schafskopf??
You're talking to a Swiss,that has the Right to own Firearms,not to some Disenfranchised Dane or other Poor European.
I handled Firearms,before you had legs.
Now if you talk Beretta 9mm Submachinegun,or 12 Gauge Shotgun,30 cal Military Rifles,Boltaction and Automatic,we have a different Story.
You're just showing more and more of your bottomless Ignorance.

Prior to Iraq.....AlQeada was in 40 different countries. We could not invade or do military operations in each. Nor could we even get the host country to act on many of them...because they were hidden cells.
Iraq gave us that vector point......was about the only military option viable.

If Obama's military brain power could have given us a better option.....why as a American....when it was being discussed.....he did not step forward and present a different plan? Only thing he said was it was a wrong war and wrong place. What was the right thing to do with enlarging cleric militia in Lebanon, in Gaza, in Iraq and in Iran?
And elsewhere? He never gave us anything else to consider. How was he going to take care of this growing threat of Islamic militancy post 9/11? Not a word. Only a no vote on Iraq.

GWB made a decision. You call it a immoral war......United States has not had a major homeland attack since 9/11. It is called defense of your country. Several years ago they flipped......in the old days.....the term traitor....foreign sympathiser......betrayor...would all be attached to such a flip.

But there is Obama with his 'no' vote. And they rally behind him and say....one Senator did the right thing on Iraq....I now support Senator Obama's position on Iraq. Welcome to the flip club.

Nothing wrong with being a Patroit....I like the idea and the company of the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, F Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Reagon, and such. Yes, I would put both GWB and McCain in the group.....hate to hurt your feelings there.....both they both get admittance into my Patroits club.

I don't hear Kerry, T. Kennedy, Clinton or even Obama these talk of them. I hear Rev Wright abuse the founding fathers...'with they placed rascits DNA into the Constitution'. Obama is quiet as a church mouse.
If Obama loved the country and founding fathers that are Patriots, he would not defend both against such attacks? yes? Surely the answer there is yes.

He cannot defend them simply because the he is attached with the far left. If he does he splits his power base and voting base in doing so.

If Obama gets elected.....does he get an automatic on my list of patriot's group? Not solely by election. But what he does as President of the United States. At present he not there....and has long ways to go.

There are some Presidents, I do not have in this group....Nixon is one. LBJ is another. Clinton is another. Even a Republican failed to make the grade. Right now he may become President, but if he is a Patroit remains to be seen. At present, my gut tell me it is not there....with this deep passionate love of country and the people within it....simply because he will not defend the Constitution and its writing fathers from attacks of a close personal friend, in Rev. Wright.

Indeed when he failed to sever with Rev. Wright, he gave him the stage for such attacks...merely by being a canidate for the office. The media would not take any attention to Rev. Wright, if Barak was not running for President.