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Highlight for me "Obama true abilities"? And how he intends to crush AlQeada?.............................going jumb in talk AlQeada to death. Tell them they are bitter and tainted with racism..........yea they will love that. It get the picture of his true abilities presently being something like this:

Obama speaking in the Oval office on the phone to binLaden on a Satellite phone in ?

Obama, "Hello Osama? Is that you?"

OBL "Yes, Yankee imperialist crusader. President of the Great Satan country of America. It is Osama. What do you want?"

Obama, "I hear words of anger and bitterness there, Osama. You know I was elected on my platform on Iraq, to bring them home. and get us peace. So why all the anger and bitterness?"

OBL "Yankee, President that is lower than a dog. Iraq? Who cares about Iraq? Look how many Iraqi we killed there. Think that we care
about Iraq? Come on Yankee President figure it out."

Obama "So it is not about Iraq, Osama? Why did you send several 100,000 foreign fighters into it then?

OBL "Yankee President, you are slow on the up take. This was about killing Americans. Iraq is only one place where can do this. Did you not learn anything on 9/11? Yankee President lower than a dog."

Obama "So even though I am pulling them out of Iraq, does not mean that you are going to stop killing Americans, Osama?"

OBL "Finally, American Crusading President you get the idea."

Insulting my country doesn't aid your argument.

US went to war with Afghanistan because of 9/11 with substantial international support and with good reason.

US went to war in Iraq because Bush wanted to and with substantial international opposition. Such support as they got was based on lying to the UN and intimidation of others to be "with us or against us" against the terrorists (not Iraq)

Ireland's neutrality is not a badge of dishonour. Vietnam? Why on earth should we have come in to that war and on whose side? The war on terror is a Bush construct. There are terrorists and Ireland takes its place in international efforts against them at all levels but that does not mean involvement in illegal invasions at the whim of the US government.

Ireland has had plenty of terrorist attacks and has dealt with them. They have not been attacked by Bin Laden (yet) but have had to deal with terrorist cells here. Iraq has nothing to do with Bin Laden - that's your quagmire.....you were warned but you insisted. Don't blame anyone else.

What I am calling stupid and arrogant (by the way) is not any of this but simply the insistance that YOU know best, your way or the road, and that nobody else knows what they are talking about. The very recent Bush interest in mideast peace is not taken seriously because it is not serious. Others have tried longer and harder. Whatever about the merits of President Carter's efforts, at least we believe he is sincere, unlike Bush and his cronies.

Now carry on insulting all opponents of the discredited American regime if you must....but don't expect to be taken seriously.

You are right.....it IS a real simple equation

You started the insults, Fallingman.

You know very well in WWII, and those other times....Ireland has sat on the side lines when many others were there.

There was a Irishman that mentioned on a different thread "Ireland has gone all over the world fighting for principles"

I begin then to think of the times, when Ireland had really done that.
WWI yes.......then there is a big gap to the American Civil War....and there is a big gap from WWI to today.

Iraq has everything to do with radical Islam....a greater problem than even AlQeada. We have explained it many time, that Iraq is the vector point between Iran and this greater problem. By being in Iraq they come to us from all over the Islamic world. That is why they have captured and killed foreign fighters ther from more 18 Islamic countries.
Our presence in both Iraq and Afghanistan, isolates Iran from the rest of the world and Islamic countries. The day Iran has a device, the day that presence can be felt even more. Without the presence, no way does that happen.

Bush said after 9/11, it was fight against terrorism all over the globe.
And he said it was going to be a long fight.

Fallingman, Iraq was our way of compromising them (terrorist)
and drawing them into a fight that we have advantage on.

If the Irish are going to have these 'principles' that they are willing
to stand and fight for all over the globe, then do it. Again a simple equation.

We would enjoy to have Irish insite to such thing as Iraq and Afgahnistan. But do it from being there....then it becomes a honest and real insite of value. Sit on the side line, and you are nothing
more than a specator at a fotbol match.

But if you are not going to have those prinicples, then don't smear those that do. As we will go all the world to defend those principles.

If you and the rest of the world does like not it....take it out on our currency. But don't expect us take insults and not reply. Don't expect Americans to let you make a punching bag out of GWB or our Presidency. By the way if Obama or Hillary was in power, and you said such then.....you would have gotten the same. It is not a question of who, but of the office. Those days of American passivitivity to such have ended. At least from me.

Just a post that seems to be on the topic of the thread.

Hamas just 'endorsed' Obama for Preident.....saying he
has a 'vision for change in America'.

Thank you Jimmy Carter. It will be intereting to see how
Senator Obama deals with a endorsement from a terrorist
group.

The only person who appear to be an ass is the person him/herself.

Now let me see...the world wants us to address global warming, so we're using more and more ethanol, produced from corn. The world may want to figure out what "they" want. We can't prop up the whole world.

Why can't the rest of the world produce enough food, in a good socialist economy I'd think there would be an abunance of food for everyone?

Fallingman,

US had a lot of world support post 9/11?

First NATO initiative to place a 'judical reconstruction team' in Afghanistan......was 13 Oct. 2003
First real deployment of NATO troop was late the following
year of 2004.

Organization of the Northern Alliance, Displacing of the Taliban, The Khandar Airbase strike, the hunt for binLaden, Tora Bora and even
the first election of gov't were all over with by NATO's first involvement there.

There is still a fight there...there is no doubt......but to make it seem like the world was jumbing to get into it....is slightly overstating things.
The support post 9/11 was mainly talk.

But for all those that are there today, Thanks for the support.

source:
www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/040628-factsheet.htm

your worrying is based on unnecessary thoughts and a result of you have beleived the current administration has done an excellent job protecting you from terrorist organisations and actually I know they have done things much more complicated than it should be and yeas ! of course bama will be much better loosing the situation and OBL is not some body any body shall or will have a chat with. I am not even sure he exists any moreI may admit.

OBL is over and out already and the administration of the White House keeps him alive and giving him strength I think. He is some body in Pakistan hiding him self and sending some voices out now an then and he knows his words creating a lot Fear becuase the oganisation hasbecome too powerful after what the Bushney,s tell they are!

A whole huge "cold war" for not much and I am certain OBL really is scared for Obama on power as well! Obama as the president means certain death for all Alqueda or reasons people becoming interesting of him! People in Afghnaistan and Pakistan will hand him over to justice them selves little by little when they see a more just system in America !

Be sure the current adminstration have not much to do than making the Fear industry going on and on !

Gosh! I love it when Irish ones kicking ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic content in deed!

Bruce has been a Horse's ARSE from that time

The WANNABE KING OF ROCK AND ROLL

Was a bit of humor......and was written prior to learning Hamas endorsed OBama for President....saying Obama has a 'vision of
change for America"

Myabe I should have wrote it up with Obama speaking with a
leader of Hamas. Next if you wish...........

So if what you say is accurate and true.....explain to why we place
substanially more troops into Afghanitan? With binLaden hiding in a
hole in Pakistan?

What do you think Dude.......how does Barak handle this one? Hamas has killed Americans. Advocates the end of Isreal. And likely has sent
fighters to Iraq.

Maybe his next phone call will be with Jimmy C.

Hey Jimmy, thanks it was a great idea to meet with Hamas.......but my polling against McCain fell about 5 points afterwards. Please don't go meet with Hezbollah.

I will not be wonder if another Tape comes out all of a sudden and with OBL,s voice ???? which says some thing a bout Obama and then the Bushney,s will try to use that a gainst his campain.

f there is any OBL left then whom he really is afraid a bout is an Obama as the next president.....so be really careful a bout what you hear now on days! 1 single sentence can make a lot problems and is there any OBL,s left out there............they know this perfectly as well.

I hope that people now on days are really careful what the Bushney,s telling them!

There will be a lot deceives and lies soon to miscredit Obama or his family or his campain! The dark forces of Bushney,s are really scared and they know they have to go far far a way from the White House soon!

Maybe a secret contact with OBL even to make his organisation making an attack or saying some thing in benefit of Obama Even!

Never forget this Bsuhney,s are the very ones whom created Alqueda and gave power to OBL and they also know how to make deals with them a gain, for regaining the power after the election!
I am in no doubt this current adminstration will not give the power from them this easy and they will use any dirty methode as they have done since they one they were on charge!

So the invasion of a foreign country was to suck in Al Qaida types from other countries.....that was not what you told the UN. Who is this "we" anyway?




I'm sure he said that but that doesn't mean anyone else agrees with him. The so-called "war on terror" is a war declared by Bush on anybody he chooses to deem a hostile state/force or person. In some cases he might be right, in some wrong and in many his actions are creating the demons that he is choosing to fight. In no case has he the authority of the rest of the world to tramp around the globe on their behalf. This is all about the self-interests of the American regime. All it is doing in the long term is damaging the image and interests of the US. The Chinese must be laughing.




A football match....another thing you may not have mentioned to the people of Iraq. Don't you get it....far from wanting to prove our national honour by actively supporting your invasion on the ground....we oppose it. It is wrong. It is illegal. It is a stain on the US's honour. Some day maybe you will see sense - in the meantime you have to rely on the opposition in the US and abroad to point out that the EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES




Boo hoo. So the rules of this game you have declared are.....the US can take whatever action against anybody anywhere because maybe some of their interests might be threatened by somebody. This action can involve threats, invasion death and destruction if GWB sees fit. However nobody is allowed to criticise this madness.....because that would be rude...an insult even!! Worse still we have to listen to you lecture us on our duty to save civilisation....the same civilisation that you are undermining by your over-aggressive militarism. I sure am glad I am not one of those evil Johnny Foreigners that are preventing GWB from saving the world. That would be almost as shameful as being in Al Qaida.....what am I saying....that is worse than being in Al Qaida.

And as for American passivity......I am only 1 so obviously I know nothing about that as there has been none in my lifetime. Imperial swagger more like.

PS - for the record I like a lot of Americans....it is just harder and harder to give them the benefit of the doubt when they keep electing governments that like to indulge in foreign adventurism. Maybe all Empires are like that....they just can't help it.

Yeah they asked America to accept the results done by tousands os scientists and joining the Kyoto treaty and being a part of solving the porblem!

They did not ask GWB to give them another self based definition of the Global warming issue! Bush thinks he is a scientist him self and the whole world is his Ranch in Texas!

They did not told Bush : oh mr president we run off scientists! please show us the way your excelency!

When Bush tried to push his own idea a bout a solvation then things went wrong! Learn from Aussies! Send this cowboy and his followers back to history and never allow them enter policy ever a gain!

Yes it is your president,s Fault Pepole are hungry and desperate!

LOL....Dude I like you. but you really need a new history book.

OBL started his 999 Brigade from scratch, from personal funding during the Russian/Afghanistan war. Then got support from Pakistan and elesewhere in Moslem world.

Was the US there.....yes....we had some CIA types there....and eventually supplied Stinger missile into the conflict. Our CIA man met OBL twice during the entire 10 year war.

But OBL had plenty of money to set his first group up. Later when the Taliban came into power, they converted to being.....'AlQeada'.....we
were long gone from the region.

OBL,s troops are mainly in Afghanistan and he is in Pakistan him self .that easy!

They have killed and we have killed and it is time for talking and reasoning and in the same time kicking ass of the rest of OBL shit heads! Wait and see how Obama will loose this stiatuion soon! then you will learn a lot TT!

You must be owning a Beretta then Bedwetter.