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Obama for President.....The Fifth!

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The_Kansan
Claxton (Powell) , Tennessee USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 6:16 AM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Get those fucking guns out of hands of civilian americans man! too many guns making people go crazy and thats the main reason!


Wow! Now I've heard it all!

Hey everybody - It's no longer crazy people that use guns to kill others! Guns themselves have been promoted to the status of mind altering drug! Imagine that! Inanimate objects are now capable of overcoming free will to make us deal out death and destruction against our own wishes!

OHMYGOD, OHMYGOD, OHMYGOD! Maybe the sky really is falling!


Hmmm... Nope. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Have a nice day, Dude! (I'm gonna' go clean my guns.)
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 6:19 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
Sorry Dude....that what the present polls are. And as more disatisfied
mid road Hilly voters become the more they will move to moderate McCain......ouch for Obama. How do you explain McCain pulling even with him in such a short time?

And as for being deceptive.......well that is where he is getting clobbered. On crediblity. People don't believe that he had not heard
Rev. Wright positions in 20 years in a pew of the Trinity Church. They don't believe the story on B. Ayers. They are not accepting the bitterness story in small town US. Tainting of white women as being racists.

And the far left, as it spins....does not help him here. Look what you said...."it will take a major diasaster"......While it might happen, and the far left will blame the American Administation for it. How do you associate a gov't causing say....an earthquake? a volcano? tsumia? a plane crash? or a suicide bomber? They don't.

That makes the group, he comes from and represents deceptive. What other decision can the American public come to? Eventually (even as complicated as it is) the the truth gets understood.....the World Trade Center buildings failed because planes flew into them, AIDs is a diease from primates in Africa, the writers of the Constitution did not place white DNA in the document, the Oklahoma City Bombing was done by Timothy M. and on here........and NONE of them was or is a Gov't plot against the people of the United States.........when you support and declare such falsehoods.......pretty easy to suspect the canidate of that group.....as being deceptive as well. That is where Obama is today. Defending the far left and its extreme views of Wright, Ayers, Davis and lastly his own left leaning views

American public is good at detecting such deceptions. That is why we have juries of our peers here. We trust the American people to figure
out such.

Lastly Dude.......just saying that Americans have 'mass delusions' goes to prove the point of far left deception and distortion. And there is no force applied to persons voting in the US....American's vote freely and according to their conscience. Unlike some other countries of the world.


Yeah americans in deed have become much better to see what lies are all a bout and they began becoming interested when they noticed how this great and strong nation has weakened because of the Bushney,s way of running the country.

McCain has the whole well stablished republican dynasty behind him and beside he was easy chosed in as the main republican nominated and by that Shoeved to all americans asses and our asses as well if he is going to be the one as the next president!

So his fast pulling does not impress me a tall! The only real wonderfing for me at all is.....amoung almost 4 hundred millions all whar Repbulicans have as their main nominated is McCain! Really!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is so strange in deed......they could at least choose some body whom remembers things properly or not mixing Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan and Hezbollah and Alqueda and Obama and probabely Michael Jackson and Bruce Springsteen and Al Gore and Pakistan to gether and telling things exactly as his Bush tells and not a damn inch better than him! Or some body whom is not this damaged from several physichal and psychological disabilities!

Are they going to make a flying atomic wheel chair for McCain if he becomes the president so he can "run" fast if there is a danger a gainst him?laugh
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 7:46 AM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Get those fucking guns out of hands of civilian americans man! too many guns making people go crazy and thats the main reason!


Guns in the hands of irresponsible people kill people.

You will never get the millions and millions of weapons from American society ....it is a far left dream, far left spin, Dude.

There is old song here...."A Country Boy Can Survive".......we have been living off the land for hundreds of years, Dude. We teach our children how to hunt, fish, and to do this.

Do we go to town and have a burger and meal. Sure. We also hunt duck in season, and deer, and pig and around here gator.......it helps us feed our families.

If in the big city, they cannot teach responsible gun use, that is not the
fault of small town USA. If thier murder rates are 3 times the national average...as is Chicago, IL was in 2006........again it is not the fault of small town USA....... maybe it because thier churchs and leaders are letting to much hate and anger into thier society.

Not teaching Christian principles and keeping prayer out of school.
Not carrying enough about their fellow man other than to see him as
a drive by target. Maybe letting so much drugs into thier kids, that gang banging is peer pressured into them easily.

So don't blame this 'bittered small town USA', for the large city violence that the Rev. Wrights and Barak Obama's have contributed to.

Because as leaders they have contributed to it. When they can rationalize a B. Ayers acts of 40 years ago.....when they help a gang banger walk.....when they make justication for the violence and crime there in a Rev Wright sermon.....when they don't stop the drugs on thier side walks.....when Rev. Wright defrauds the Constitution and Barak says nothing.........they contribute alright.

Small town USA....just says if a guy (Barak) is going to contribute to his home town like that.....what is he going to do the country? Why should we support him to do that to the county? It is crazy to give him our support.
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 7:52 AM CST
The_Kansan wrote:
Wow! Now I've heard it all!

Hey everybody - It's no longer crazy people that use guns to kill others! Guns themselves have been promoted to the status of mind altering drug! Imagine that! Inanimate objects are now capable of overcoming free will to make us deal out death and destruction against our own wishes!

OHMYGOD, OHMYGOD, OHMYGOD! Maybe the sky really is falling!

Hmmm... Nope. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Have a nice day, Dude! (I'm gonna' go clean my guns.)

Sure!

there has to be done some thing a gainst drugs as well not only oin America but also in the rest of the world. Drugs has never been cheaper because of the situation in Afghanistan and the flow of that shit toward all of us making the whole world a less safer place!

I still beleive and will beleive that guns are best being avaiable police officers and military and national guard only but ok since you have some guns better keeping them really clean so they function well and dont exploding in your hands or some thing ! Oil them and cleacn them and beside please keep them out of reach for kids and for criminals as well......But you know this better than me I am sure.
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 7:58 AM CST


Are they going to make a flying atomic wheel chair for McCain if he becomes the president so he can "run" fast if there is a danger a gainst him?[/quote]


Don't discount American ingeunity, Dude. If the future President McCain (has a nice ring to it yes?) needs a flying atomic wheel chair.....likely someone here can make him one. Maybe even add a
few hellfire missiles on it so he can hunt Mr. bin Laden with it.
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 8:03 AM CST
The_Kansan wrote:
Wow! Now I've heard it all!

Hey everybody - It's no longer crazy people that use guns to kill others! Guns themselves have been promoted to the status of mind altering drug! Imagine that! Inanimate objects are now capable of overcoming free will to make us deal out death and destruction against our own wishes!

OHMYGOD, OHMYGOD, OHMYGOD! Maybe the sky really is falling!

Hmmm... Nope. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Have a nice day, Dude! (I'm gonna' go clean my guns.)



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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 8:05 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
Guns in the hands of irresponsible people kill people.

You will never get the millions and millions of weapons from American society ....it is a far left dream, far left spin, Dude.

There is old song here...."A Country Boy Can Survive".......we have been living off the land for hundreds of years, Dude. We teach our children how to hunt, fish, and to do this.

Do we go to town and have a burger and meal. Sure. We also hunt duck in season, and deer, and pig and around here gator.......it helps us feed our families.

If in the big city, they cannot teach responsible gun use, that is not the
fault of small town USA. If thier murder rates are 3 times the national average...as is Chicago, IL was in 2006........again it is not the fault of small town USA....... maybe it because thier churchs and leaders are letting to much hate and anger into thier society.

Not teaching Christian principles and keeping prayer out of school.
Not carrying enough about their fellow man other than to see him as
a drive by target. Maybe letting so much drugs into thier kids, that gang banging is peer pressured into them easily.

So don't blame this 'bittered small town USA', for the large city violence that the Rev. Wrights and Barak Obama's have contributed to.

Because as leaders they have contributed to it. When they can rationalize a B. Ayers acts of 40 years ago.....when they help a gang banger walk.....when they make justication for the violence and crime there in a Rev Wright sermon.....when they don't stop the drugs on thier side walks.....when Rev. Wright defrauds the Constitution and Barak says nothing.........they contribute alright.

Small town USA....just says if a guy (Barak) is going to contribute to his home town like that.....what is he going to do the country? Why should we support him to do that to the county? It is crazy to give him our support.


I still think that this gun passion for civilian americans is because the country is so young and have not learned enouhg from its history. I bleieve it is some how primitiv to have a gun as a civilian and a sign of that society needs being able to larn more a bout respecting each others properties not just because of being afraid!

but ok now still, America is not ready for that and Obama s not going to make much a gainst the gun lovers in your country. Time it self must learn people to being disgussed by guns and not too many rules and regulatons.

I bet you at least half of gun holders of America have a tendency being totaly irresponsible mannaging a gun under circumtinces!

the reson why here was a discovery called Police to day is actually the same......the law must be dictated from those whom know how to act responsible and based on desicions made by the majority of the members of Senate or some thing.

there is also a need for a lot education a bout this matter and how violence could become less with out having gus in ones home.

I am sure many people hving a gun or more at their home will make a total jurk out of them selves some day......but of couse,,,,

as long as it is permitted then wha the hell!



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PeachesandRay
Concord, North Carolina USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 8:19 AM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Get those fucking guns out of hands of civilian americans man! too many guns making people go crazy and thats the main reason!


I was raised to handle guns responsibly and that's how I raised my sons.

Gun bans DO NOT WORK!!! There have to be stricter laws against those who use guns when committing a crime.

It will be a cold day in Hell before I give up my weapons. I'll bury them instead of turning them in.
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 9:11 AM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
your sense of so called humor Indy is really disgusting some times

What you wrote in here is like I calling you a Facist Pig whom wants Nazies taking over in USA !

I assume you were shaving your head and legs and ass as well to serve Grand lord of KKK over there while you were gone right?


Oh now now.... America's greatest facist pigs have come from the Democrat Party. Be nice now Dude, be nice. laugh Pick one and I'll be happy to fill you in.


Did I hit a nerve w/ya? Were you getting fitted for a "jacket" and you're not telling us? dropping jaw
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 9:20 AM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Get those fucking guns out of hands of civilian americans man! too many guns making people go crazy and thats the main reason!


Now if guns made people go crazy, the people that manufacture guns in factories would all be in mental hospitals. They touch them every day. laugh
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 9:24 AM CST
An interesting point was made this morning regarding both Hillary and Obama's tax plan. Both said they wouldn't raise taxes on "working folks". However, raising the capital gains tax from 15 to 28% would effect just about any American who had made money from investments, even down to the $50,000 bracket. That's not "rich" people by any means, that's the working class. Couple that w/the .50 cent gas tax that's pushed, and the working class is going to get the meat put to them after 09. professor
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anjel
tempe, Arizona USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 11:08 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
rates are rates...at the site they take them to the ____ per 100,000

it all evens out out.

Sorry on the bad lead story. I grapped the title of the bad piece.

But still could read like this: 4 Murder and over 20 Attempted Murders
in Chicago

What is special or different about the murder rate of a big city to a
small city murder rate? Is still the same kind of violent act? Yes?

Nothing special about a murder rates, they are one in same.
Only small town America has smaller one.



please understand, it was once my job to collect this info and present this info to youth.....So please have your facts..... I wasnt going to bring this up, but since you want to compare apples and oranges, I thought I should share this with you....these are shootings (only one per town) that took place in SMALL TOWNS.....please understand, I am not here to argue, however, debates I usually fancy. Being FROM CHICAGO, I can tell you this, there is a terrible crime rate.... But remember, any crime rate is terrible...even if its .07



Alan Kim / The Roanoke Times
33 dead, 20 wounded
Virginia Tech.
Blacksburg, Va.
Gunman: Seung-Hui Cho

Ron Heflin / AP

24 dead, 20 wounded
Luby's Cafeteria
Killeen, Texas
Gunman: George Hennard


22 dead, 19 wounded
McDonald's Restaurant
San Ysidro, Calif.
Gunman: James Huberty

AP

17 dead, 31 wounded
University of Texas Tower
Austin, Texas
Gunman: Charles Whitman

Jeff Haynes / AFP - Getty Images

15 dead, 23 wounded
Columbine High School
Littleton, Colo.
Gunmen: Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold


15 dead, 6 wounded
Edmond Post Office
Edmond, Okla.
Gunman: Patrick Sherrill

Steve Schaefer / AFP - Getty Images

13 dead, 13 wounded
Atlanta brokerage offices
Atlanta, Ga.
Gunman: Mark B
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anjel
tempe, Arizona USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 11:29 AM CST
Tom, the reason I ask that you bring forth facts is because you stated:


"Just a little info.

In the last 24 hours in Chicago, IL...there have 20 murders.....in one day time!

My little community of 40,000 in Central Florida has 8.................in 365 days of day last year!"

When I questioned you on this info, you said, it was 4 people murdered in a shooting in 24 hrs. Which again, this is horrible news, but it was misleading info when you presented it the first time. And, like I stated, comparing Chicago to some small community in Florida is not tangible by far. I dont care what site you've gathered this data.

Smaller towns have crimes that are just as vicious and mass as some bigger cities.

fyi
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 11:41 AM CST
anjel wrote:
please understand, it was once my job to collect this info and present this info to youth.....So please have your facts..... I wasnt going to bring this up, but since you want to compare apples and oranges, I thought I should share this with you....these are shootings (only one per town) that took place in SMALL TOWNS.....please understand, I am not here to argue, however, debates I usually fancy. Being FROM CHICAGO, I can tell you this, there is a terrible crime rate.... But remember, any crime rate is terrible ...even if its .07
Alan Kim / The Roanoke Times
33 dead, 20 wounded
Virginia Tech.
Blacksburg, Va.
Gunman: Seung-Hui Cho

Ron Heflin / AP

24 dead, 20 wounded
Luby's Cafeteria
Killeen, Texas
Gunman: George Hennard


22 dead, 19 wounded
McDonald's Restaurant
San Ysidro, Calif.
Gunman: James Huberty

AP

17 dead, 31 wounded
University of Texas Tower
Austin, Texas
Gunman: Charles Whitman

Jeff Haynes / AFP - Getty Images

15 dead, 23 wounded
Columbine High School
Littleton, Colo.
Gunmen: Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold 15 dead, 6 wounded
Edmond Post Office
Edmond, Okla.
Gunman: Patrick Sherrill

Steve Schaefer / AFP - Getty Images

13 dead, 13 wounded
Atlanta brokerage offices
Atlanta, Ga.
Gunman: Mark B


And have you ever asked yourself WHY it happened,why so many people Died?

perhaps,because some nut got hold of Firearms,and the ones able to do anything about it,were LEGALLY DISARMED.
THINK ABOUT IT,BEFORE POSTING ""FACTS""!!

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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 1:05 PM CST
ttom500 wrote:
Are they going to make a flying atomic wheel chair for McCain if he becomes the president so he can "run" fast if there is a danger a gainst him?
Don't discount American ingeunity, Dude. If the future President McCain (has a nice ring to it yes?) needs a flying atomic wheel chair.....likely someone here can make him one. Maybe even add a
few hellfire missiles on it so he can hunt Mr. bin Laden with it.[/quote]

lol! I bet they will TT laugh
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 1:09 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Oh now now.... America's greatest facist pigs have come from the Democrat Party. Be nice now Dude, be nice. Pick one and I'll be happy to fill you in. Did I hit a nerve w/ya? Were you getting fitted for a "jacket" and you're not telling us?

Your comments are some times really out of range and when ever you do that I will not be nice toward you either. I did hot a nerve as welll I assume.

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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 1:14 PM CST
PeachesandRay wrote:
I was raised to handle guns responsibly and that's how I raised my sons.

Gun bans DO NOT WORK!!! There have to be stricter laws against those who use guns when committing a crime.

It will be a cold day in Hell before I give up my weapons. I'll bury them instead of turning them in.

I understand your poing of view because as you tell you have been raised with guns so I cant blame you having this passion any way.

I wish feauter generations of americans thinking differnetly......thank god there are millions of americans whom dont have a gun at home and are not going to get one as well. There is a begining concidration a bout a serious debate a bout the matter and I am sure one day people will choose not having all those guns all over the place. But as told before that will not be possible by too many regulations and rules and the wish must come from people them selves if safty and security for americans becoming better some day.
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 1:18 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Now if guns made people go crazy, the people that manufacture guns in factories would all be in mental hospitals. They touch them every day.

No indy.....gun makers making huge amounts of money becasue of the very passion and business is booming as never beofore. It is not a bout "touching" guns which can make some people doing things they can not defend any way.....but the matter is having a lethal weaopn at ones home and all trouble that can cause. It is all a bout money and if all gun factories clsoing one day and making civil products no body gets more happy than me of course! But ok utopis this is what my wish seems to be right now and no politicians can get any where now on days having a wish a bout less guns amoung civilian population in the country.
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anjel
tempe, Arizona USA
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 1:21 PM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
And have you ever asked yourself WHY it happened,why so many people Died?

perhaps,because some nut got hold of Firearms,and the ones able to do anything about it,were LEGALLY DISARMED.
THINK ABOUT IT,BEFORE POSTING ""FACTS""!!


first of all Mr. Conrad, your argument shouldnt be with me, read who I was responding to and what he stated...Please read first then respond so you dont look like an idiot....,not saying you are....but you look like one right now.

and, what are you implying here, that we should be able to take the law into our own hands?????????

Are you saying the teachers and managers should have been able to go to war with these shooters?


(we know u dont need a gun)
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Apr 20, 2008, 1:33 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
An interesting point was made this morning regarding both Hillary and Obama's tax plan. Both said they wouldn't raise taxes on "working folks". However, raising the capital gains tax from 15 to 28% would effect just about any American who had made money from investments, even down to the $50,000 bracket. That's not "rich" people by any means, that's the working class. Couple that w/the .50 cent gas tax that's pushed, and the working class is going to get the meat put to them after 09.

Really......How shall the pay the wages for officials and for town workers and for the poor ones and for roads and health care and military and police and a lot other stuff which is paid by taxed then if all politicians just concentrating on not raising taxes at all and even keep cutting taxes? Where the money shall come from then?

Taxes are not that Evil indyfella.......it is great showing more solidariy than just thinking a bout one self!

If every body just thinks a bout him self then all those whom cant have any opportunities for having a better life will sturve and then they will go after the rich ines and after the ones whom can ! A total anarchy will be the result you see?
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