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Same with child abuse. just because we have only just begun to acknowledge it does not mean it has not been rife all along.

It is harder to hide things, the craving for 'fifteen minutes of fame' has destroyed discretion, and the talk shows of the world let us speak of the unspeakable and unthinkable.

There truly is a silver lining to every cloud.

Not meaning of course that the nature of the beast is the same. Homosexuality within human sexuality is an individuals right to be, child abuse is not.

It is not, and never should be something to be tolerated by an intelligent society.

I spent many years in San Francisco and am really amazed that the first thing most people say is "oh that's where all the gays live". My response to that is that there are no more gays in San Francisco then there are any where else, it's just more accepted there so people are more open about it. I also don't think that per capita there are any more gay people then in previous years, people are just being more open about their sexuality which I think is great.

I like your initial post about masculine and feminine energy.... I also don't think it's a choice, it's who you are.

I think people are simply more free to live in the skin they are in in todays world, rather than being victims of social constraints and opression, an adolescent today can explore their own sexuality without the fear of their whole world collapsing around them, of bringing shame on their families or of living a lifelong lie - and not before time either

That's cool, perception is everything....
I can say that many homosexuals from around America moved to Frisco during the 70's and early 80's in pursuit of sexual liberty. I was actually referring to "capital" as in openness and acceptance, and even per capita during the 70's. I would imagine that it would be hard to find a city in the world that could have matched the per capita of homosexuals during the 70's and early 80's. Anyways, I could be wrong. No worries.
Thanks for your input jbibiza....

While I think you make some very interesting points from an angle that I have never really considered... the association of 'female' with male homosexuality, I think, is not entirely accurate.. two of my Gay friends are pure blokes.. and one in particular, you would not have guessed in a million years..

Sexuality is such a complex thing IMO.. and while there are physiological/nuerological and nuerochemical aspects to it which are constants (in that they are genetic) there are also emotional and sociological aspects.. for e.g. My flatmate is quite 'blokey'... for a Gay man, but at the same time he is sensitive, open minded and creative... can we say that those qualities are attributable to his 'Gayness' or do we give consideration to the fact that they may be a result of the emotional challenges that come with growing up feeling on the margins because he is different.. challenges in ones life, would for example lead to such characteristics as sensitivity and openmindedness.... also I have long since suspected that some Gay men (and women alike) 'play' on the stereotype... partly because of the way that Gay people are portrayed generally, but also as a 'Peacock Feather' thing.. so just how many Gay men are actually in possession of 'female energy'... I would be slow to estimate

Yes, it is a complex issue. Some female characteristics would be stronger in some, and lesser in others, but they would still possess more of a female type energy that would attract them to men. Yes, I have witnessed gays/lesbians playing on the stereotypes that our society...especially Hollywood and the media has defined for them....social programming as I stated in my initial post in this thread. I still stand firm in my stance on gay men possessing more female energy and lesbian women possessing male energy and we always have those in between....bisexuals.

Just my take and I am not coercing anyone to blindly accept my opinions. I am always looking for some new ideas to expand my reality.

Very interesting topics stress.

Though its Friday and I'm in a funny mood, I'll try to keep it serious.

Some of my best friends are gay, and most of my best friends are males, go wonder, so I am very much into male thinking, etc. As my country is very, very close minded and people here are pretty much on the conservative side, gays have no room in our world yet, you don't see gay people holding hands, or touching, or kissing, its very rarely when you do.

So, many times we have discussed this issue, this matter, and asked for reasons...but is there a reason for love, is there a reason for falling in love with acertain person, is there a reason for wanting to have sex with somebody? Prolly many, but what's the main reason? We don't know, we can put hundreds of theories here....mom was too strict or the opposite...dad was abscent...child was abused...so many choices...and again that word...CHOICE....isn't it just a matter of choice? I like men not women, and that's MY choice, do I have to lok for reasons, is it the way it should be? I don't know, I've never been with a woman and I never wanted to do so, but that's MY CHOICE.

We just have to understand is not a disease, and there are no pills to make it go away....they exist, for whatever reaons, they chose their path and all we cna do is respect them and accept them...JUST THE WAY THEY ARE...WHATEVER THE REASON MAY BE...

JMO.

.. .no worries.. just throwing my thoughts out there.. slightly off topic but was reading up on lefthandedness the other day as a result of a conversation I had with a workmate.. one theory behind lefthandedness is that the foetus of a lefthanded person is exposed to more 'testosterone' in the womb.. 'testosterone' inhibits growth of the right hand side of the brain it seems which is concerned with some of the more typical 'female' traits... language, emotions, creativity etc (both sexes have a balance of these obviously)but females are traditionally the more emotional 'softer' of the sexes.. anyway what I found interesting about this was a number of things which got me thinking....

1. 76% of lefthanders.. tend to be male
2. Lefthanded people tend to perform better mathematically, and with subjects involving logic
3. In their early years many left handed children can experience some form of language development difficulty (which rectifies itself but nevertheless)
4. Often lefthanded women are tomboyish...

Also I notice that often 'creative' men although 'straight' seem more in touch with their feminine side...

It seems to me that the pre-natal development of the brain in the womb, dictates to a large degree the degree of 'feminity' or 'masculinity' we possess later as adults and can be seen in the most subtle of ways..

I remember watching a documentary once about a study of transgender individuals.. and following a disection of a male transgender brain it was extraordinary how like a 'female brain' this persons brain was.. females possess an enlarged hypothalmus (I think) which is said to be responsible for the emotions and language and that kind of thing.. which means that apart from simply being the result of y and x chromosomes.. sex characteristics are nutured hormonally following intitial conception...I have no idea why this occurs or why our 'sexual' characteristics aren't simply determined genetically at conception... perhaps someone can help me out on this one...but it does seem clear to me that our idea of what is 'male' and what is 'female' is perhaps a little limited.. because our balance of characteristics is not dictated by our genetalia alone and our concept of what constitutes either may not be entirely accurate either

... I need a glass of wine.. d'ya want one

Terrific topic!

I believe I've read that homosexuality is genetic and defiantly not a choice.

It's interesting metaphysical view but it's much more simple than that. You're talking more about trans sexuality then homosexuality. It isn't easy for most heterosexuals to understand but just imagine your sexual preference in opposite way. The only sure way to define your sexuality is romantic attraction. So sexuality as a definition has little to do with sex. Love is a definitive factor here and we all know you can't choose who you fall in love with.

There is NO EVIDENCE that there are more homosexuals per capita now than there ever were. The only difference is that people are more free to come out and talk about it, and since the Kinsey Report there are, at last, some kind of statistics.