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That women and men find it so hard to understand each other... do u think that societies expectations have a role to play in this... are we fundamentally the same... i.e. looking for the same things.. are are we fundamentally different.. or is it just that we expect too much from eachother (based on society expectations).. .wouldn't it be nice if we could figure this out and cut out the bullsh*t

any views?

i think it starts from childhood. Conditioning, expectations, society. I think we do all want the same things but go about looking for them in a different way.

i think that possibly women and men are just the tip of the iceberg - seems to me its people in general and very much to do with ego and conditioning

yeah would be great to cut out the bullsh*t I agree!
think yes we want the same things but have different ways of about it so fundamentally we are the same yet complete opposites! Misunderstanding come for the different way we approach the same thing. Make sense?

sleepy tonight so words are having difficulty forming my thoughts

I have a stupid guy who is stupid enough to think he has frozen me until he feels like stopping to be stupid.
Two days ago, he called me telling me he had stopped smoking...having a healthy life like i wanted him to have...then he asked me if i didn't miss him...then he asked if i didn't miss his former house in Lisbon(he's not there for 3 years now)...i mean, he wanted to be missed! No good memories since he wanted to act irresponsible all this way. I knew he had more to offer, he just refused to, playing coming and go...wanting and holding...
Anyway, now i'm grown...fuck him, even though he was the most potential on the row.

To say that i believe there are a lot of men out there that do know how to behave right, they just have their timing! Assuming that love is there of course!

Guys are simple... women are not simple and they always assume that men must be just as complicated as they are, only way more mysterious. The whole point is guys are not thinking much. They are just what they appear to be. Tragically.

Men don't know much about women. They do know when we're happy. We know when we're crying, and they know when we're pissed off. They just don't know in what order these are gonna come at them.

Seriously I think people in general have a checklist of what they expect from others instead of themselves...The rationalise if things are not going well then it is because the other person is not fulfilling them...We have to focus more on our own selves and what we expect from ourselves in order to be at peace...Then I find we generally attract like-minded people....

There are two types of people. Those we who come into a room and say, "Well, here I am!" and those who come in and say, "Ah, there you are."

I think the last part works, just cut the bullsh*t. Don't take things so seriously (relationship wise) and even if u are a hopeless romantic like me, it'll work out 'eventually' cuz I just believe. If I don't, what's the point!

do u think that societies expectations have a role to play in this? - yes

are we fundamentally the same? - yes and no

are are we fundamentally different? - yes and no

is it just that we expect too much from eachother? - yes

wouldn't it be nice if we could figure this out and cut out the bullsh*t? - blatant yes

any views? - Many

Can I offer my views tomorrow? I'm really spent right now. But I really love this thread and have a lot to say about this. I just kinda wanna unplug right now.

Maybe i'm on the wrong thread, but...

it's just comfy here to say these things

Hi cris

hey Googie

I believe we're all after the same basic things in life, just different ways of going about it. Some choose to make it unbelievably difficult for some reason while others a more simple route.
All the books and hollywood crap done on how different men and women are is a load of crap as far as I'm concerned.
We really aren't, other than the obvious physical aspects.

Basic human understanding, treating others with respect, getting over fears and open, honest communication are a neccessity to any relationship. Makes no difference with regards to gender.

well wish i could find it !

Are you kidding?

If a woman doesn't understand men by the time she reaches the age of 30, she hasn't known enough men.

No, women and men are not looking for the same thing in the process of dating.

Ask a man what he is looking for and if he tells the truth, he will say it is someone who will have sex with HIM.

After that game is played out, perhaps both parties might be looking for similar goals


JMO

Brilliant

Me too.. but I'm stubborn so instead of going to bed (which would be the sensible thing to do) I have poured myself a drink (V&O) ....



I particularly dislike the way guys have this attitude that if you are over a certain age i.e. 30 that you are going to drag them kicking and screaming up the aisle and force them to have babies.. that really frustrates me.. cause at the end of the day.. we still have standards..

I don't know at some point in time... perhaps.. unbeknown to ourselves we have become silent enemies... deeply mistrustful of one another or the lines have become so blurred among the sexes that we don't understand eachother anymore and don't know how to act..

agreed with those that say cut the bull,
anyway,, that's the story,,,need some sun here too!!!!
;-}

Aries...u seem to be in an emergency...this is not the place hun!I'm not talking about babies