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Karma - The Web of Maya

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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 3:25 PM CST
gingerb wrote:
If you always do what you always did.... You will always get what you've always got .....

It might just be me, but this statement is a bit generalised and limited, in that it doesn't take into consideration circumstance and other people's contribution to any given situation or it's outcome.

I have never considered time linear, except to agree in a generalised way about what people appear to believe en mass.

I do have theories about energy though, and being receptive at certain times to absorbing certain frequencies that may lead us to repeat certain outcomes, although there would, even then, be shades of difference.


It isnt meant to be be anything other than a statement from a 'personal viewpoint' - other people look after their own 'personal viewpoints' accordingly.
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gingerb
Letterkenny, Donegal Ireland
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 3:28 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
It isnt meant to be be anything other than a statement from a 'personal viewpoint' - other people look after their own 'personal viewpoints' accordingly.


Words are so limiting. I was talking about the statement and not people.
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gingerb
Letterkenny, Donegal Ireland
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 3:35 PM CST
If you always do what you always did.... You will always get what you've always got .....

To clarify: If you always got angry every time someone disagreed with you then you would always be annoyed, but if one day you disagreed with someone and they said "that's right" or "I like that idea", then the outcome would be different, in that you might be happy or have some positive feeling.

So it wouldn't always follow that the same behaviour or pattern yields the same results.
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 3:40 PM CST
this post reminded me of the song by Melanie, Tracy - have posted it for you teddy bear
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bajanblue
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Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 3:56 PM CST
Galactic_bodhi wrote:
Many of us believe in the law of Karma. But do we even really know what it is?

What comes around goes around...but what does that really mean?

Albert Einstein once said that insanity was "Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."

So in effect, we, who suffer Karma, or endless cycles of similiar problems and challenges, are insane, in spirit and in mind, and thus, via dependent origination, our bodies often suffer the effects of Karma as well, because we keep trying to solve the problems the same way.

So, how to break Karma?

By doing something different...

We get into habits of treating people a certain way, and we wonder why our friendships, and other personal relationships, suffer from almost mirror-image break-downs. It's because we don't want to change, but we expect the world to. The world follows the same patterns in reaction to our actions. Karma, with this in mind, only makes sense. If you plug 2 + 2 into a calculator, invariably you will get 4. No amount of wishing or ritual or soul-searching will change this. Use a different formula, get a different result. Its that simple.

With these thoughts in mind, I now open the floor to general discussion of the topic.

Thank you for your interest.


Interesting thread Tracewave

That's why I like time loops in movies. Observing and learning (one hopes) from our actions, interactions and their consequences.
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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:24 PM CST
Karma is a very complicated concept to define in one post. I can space it out, but I will start with it's main concept in a cosmic and spiritual sense. Karma is the same concept that the Judeo-Christian-Islam school of thought for sinning or doing good deeds. You do good, you are blessed and good things happen to you. You commit bad deeds and sin, you are punished. That simple.

Before I go on, let me just clarify that your Karma can be measured scientifically, just not yet. Quantum physics is still working on measuring our energy inside our bodies, and that energy is vibrating at a certain frequency. They are barely in the infancy stage. But they will soon find out how are energy transits to other existences dictated by a karmic energy. It's like a satellite, the satellite can only tune into the frequencies that it is programmed to according to what information it contains and what channels it can attract.So depending on your karma today and when you die, that Karma is attracted to similar vibrational frequencies. So what your energy and karma projects, simply attracts to your corresponding karmic vibrational frequencies.

Personally, I feel the main reason we are here is to manipulate and use the energy that we create with our illusory thoughts. To manifest our reality so that we are happy and harmonic in the name of love. This is what speeds up our vibration and enables us to escape the viscious cycle here in this astral plane or others with a similar vibrations that is not the Source (Nirvana or Heaven) dependiing on which religous branch you choose, but it's the same only defined differently.

According to mainstream Hindu religious thought, the individual soul is trapped in the suffering involved with life in this world, and because of reincarnation, even death does not release one from this world. In most of the religious traditions of southern Asia, release or liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth is the ultimate goal of the spiritual life. But how? It is to master your thoughts by using many tools to manipulate your energy and create a karma that will speed up your vibration. The teachings preached in all the religions, psychologies(analytical) or self help-new age books are tools to help you understand yourself, others, the world so you can love yourself, others and find happiness. In essence, giving you the power to not take anything personal which would give you a very negative energy....and negative energy is what builds bad thoughts and actions.....bad karma.

The objective with Karma is to reach a level of vibration that would be far beyond the fifth dimension. To work out all karma that would need to be worked through. So when you get to that level of vibration there is no karma.

We don't die, just transit, and we may decide to come back into physical form because the earthly experience is very vibrant and unique. However, getting caught up in karma usually happens again, so therefore, one may be stuck in the painful cycle of trying to work out karma here in this vibrational plane.
The majority of people on Earth, when they die and leave the body, are working out problems in karma, so they have to keep going back and forth. There are exceptions....different entities containing different energies on a different vibrational level, yet they are still able to tune into our astral plane of existence.

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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:25 PM CST
In my studies of all the religions, cognitive psychology, philosophy, cosmology, and Astrology, I have found that one of one of the main functions of our soul is to accumulate information from all the lives we ever live. Our ultimate goal is to return to the source Nirvana/Heaven/our concept of God, the Creator. When we have completed all the journeys and adventures through all our many variety of lives we are supposed to return to the Source with our accumulation of knowledge. Knowledge and info seem to be the main purpose of the human species, and thus nothing can be right or wrong. It is only positive and negative we learn lessons from it and it enables us to work out any karma so we can complete our assignments and return to the source. In that respect in the final analysis all we have and are is the sum of our experiences and our knowledge.

I got a boner worked up with this thread. So much more to talk about.
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sxc666
Central Coast, New South Wales Australia
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:32 PM CST
StressFree wrote:

I got a boner worked up with this thread. So much more to talk about.


Co*k in hand?dunno laugh uh oh!
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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:39 PM CST
Galactic_bodhi wrote:
In a basic, classical sense, yes.

But time, at the quantum level, is not linear. Effect can precede cause. Say we don't like someone, but for the life of us, we can't figure out why, until some time in the FUTURE they betray us somehow. Karmically, the betrayal has already happened, and our distaste for them is the cart before the horse.

Grokking karma, the why of why we are who we are, is alot more complicated than saying the chicken came before the egg. At the fundamental level of reality, chicken is egg is chicken is egg.


The entire structure of time is very intricate on many levels. I like to define it as to my liking as a series of reference points that are intersecting with each other along a huge web of pure reality. One thing that gives me hope, is that the way it is structured means anything can happen. Because of all the possible combinations that are present. It is not predestined, it is not set to where it has to be.

This is the reason why magic (manipulation of energy) works. Because if you want something to happen, and you meditate on it and project mental energy towards this happening, it will cause your life to be directed into that time stream or reality as you perceive in in your mind. Perception is everything...all dictated by your karmic energy and your personal journey as well as our collective journey.

I have talked about this on some levels in other threads, so I hope some of you follow.
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patrickthomas
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Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:41 PM CST
sxc666 wrote:
Co*k in hand?


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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:43 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
When we have completed all the journeys and adventures through all our many variety of lives we are supposed to return to the Source with our accumulation of knowledge. Knowledge and info seem to be the main purpose of the human species, and thus nothing can be right or wrong.
I don't understand the point of this.
What would the source want with our knowledge??
I thought the source was omniscient.
And I also thought most of our understanding was illusory.

Also, I thought the point of our existence was to learn to think less and to feel more.
I thought information/worldly knowledge assisted maya and only served to keep us far from the source.

My understanding is very very patchy on this kind of thing, StressFree.....
Please enlighten angel
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Tumpa
ottawa, Ontario Canada
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:48 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Time? Karma and time do not go in the same sentence considering the cylcic nature of it. Time really does not exist....more on that later...I really need to make this phone call.


Stay away from the Matrix movies man......
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:53 PM CST
Tumpa wrote:
Stay away from the Matrix movies man......
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sxc666
Central Coast, New South Wales Australia
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 4:54 PM CST
Tumpa wrote:
Stay away from the Matrix movies man......
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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 5:03 PM CST
breezee wrote:
I don't understand the point of this.
What would the source want with our knowledge??
I thought the source was omniscient.
And I also thought most of our understanding was illusory.

Also, I thought the point of our existence was to learn to think less and to feel more.
I thought information/worldly knowledge assisted maya and only served to keep us far from the source.

My understanding is very very patchy on this kind of thing, StressFree.....
Please enlighten


Without knowledge, how can we learn to feel what we want?
We cannot go back to the source if we don't have the knowledge to manipulate our energies so we can create a better karma for ourselves. If we don't, our vibration does not speed up and is unable to escape this earthly cycle of cruel existence.

Only our egos, false desires, and bad karma keep us from the source. That is why we need the knowledge and tools to become happy with unconditional love so we can work out our karmas better and escape this cycle and go back to Nirvana/Heaven....the Source.

Anything else sweety?

Oh, I am going to ignore the matrix thing that I heard unless whoever said it can pick apart and disprove my content. I'm all for a chess match. The force is strong in me....cock in hand as well over this thread...wink
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Tumpa
ottawa, Ontario Canada
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 5:10 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Without knowledge, how can we learn to feel what we want?
We cannot go back to the source if we don't have the knowledge to manipulate our energies so we can create a better karma for ourselves. If we don't, our vibration does not speed up and is unable to escape this earthly cycle of cruel existence.

Only our egos, false desires, and bad karma keep us from the source. That is why we need the knowledge and tools to become happy with unconditional love so we can work out our karmas better and escape this cycle and go back to Nirvana/Heaven....the Source.

Anything else sweety?

Oh, I am going to ignore the matrix thing that I heard unless whoever said it can pick apart and disprove my content. I'm all for a chess match. The force is strong in me....cock in hand as well over this thread...


Hey, if "cock in hand" is what gets you off, please, don't let me argue with you....

Secondy, there was no disproving your context, only knowing the same psycho-babble capacity within myself.....without cock in hand.
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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 5:11 PM CST
breezee wrote:
I don't understand the point of this.
What would the source want with our knowledge??
I thought the source was omniscient.
And I also thought most of our understanding was illusory.


Nothing. The source wants nothing with our knowledge, but we can only go back to the source with our evolved levels of wisdom and knowledge.

The source is omniscient. It is the sea, and we are waterdrops separated from the sea.

Our understanding is illusory, as well as our thoughts. The only thing that is real is our energy. The visible world arises from an omnipresent and unchangeable divine "source" an immaterial reality. Not solid!
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 5:16 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Without knowledge, how can we learn to feel what we want?
We cannot go back to the source if we don't have the knowledge to manipulate our energies so we can create a better karma for ourselves. If we don't, our vibration does not speed up and is unable to escape this earthly cycle of cruel existence.

Only our egos, false desires, and bad karma keep us from the source. That is why we need the knowledge and tools to become happy with unconditional love so we can work out our karmas better and escape this cycle and go back to Nirvana/Heaven....the Source.

Anything else sweety?

Oh, I am going to ignore the matrix thing that I heard unless whoever said it can pick apart and disprove my content. I'm all for a chess match. The force is strong in me....cock in hand as well over this thread...
Just one more thing, if that's okay.....

I understood that ''wanting'' was just one more thing that kept us from the source.
I didn't think we could go back to the source until we were finished with our karma.
Also, if I were the source (which I'm not, of course) I don't think I'd want anyone ''manipulating any energies'' around me....
''Wanting'', imo, is very connected to the ego.
''Wanting'', imo, is what has created ''this earthly cycle of cruel existence''.

Oh, and for the record, are we calling each other ''sweety'' now?smitten smitten
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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 5:17 PM CST
Tumpa wrote:
Hey, if "cock in hand" is what gets you off, please, don't let me argue with you....

Secondy, there was no disproving your context, only knowing the same psycho-babble capacity within myself.....without cock in hand.


Don't take it personal guy. Cock in hand=I'm happy in an abstract sense.

I have invested a lot of time to understand this since my college days at Berkeley. I seek the illusive truth. Sorry if I came across the wrong way, but I just do not want be perceived as somebody who watched the matrix and thinks he has it figured it out. My reality means a lot to me, and I will vehemently defend my theories and thoughts because I have invested time into it, and had many divine enlightened moments where I became the truth for one second. And the feeling was of connection along many intersections that makes up part of the Source...or God as you may or not perceive it. That is all....no biggie.
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breezee
athens, Attica Greece
Posted: Apr 23, 2008, 5:23 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Don't take it personal guy. Cock in hand=I'm happy in an abstract sense.

I have invested a lot of time to understand this since my college days at Berkeley. I seek the illusive truth. Sorry if I came across the wrong way, but I just do not want be perceived as somebody who watched the matrix and thinks he has it figured it out. My reality means a lot to me, and I will vehemently defend my theories and thoughts because I have invested time into it, and had many divine enlightened moments where I became the truth for one second. And the feeling was of connection along many intersections that makes up part of the Source...or God as you may or not perceive it. That is all....no biggie.
Stay stress free, StressFree hug
I can't remember who, but someone on this thread said time did not exist.... so nothing lost angel
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