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Please Dude, don't put words in our mouths. We are not distorted and confused as the far left.

Tom,

I dont need to be informed about events on world war 2, i had relatives, one of whom served with the SAS for many years and am quite aware how people treated each other.

I could tell you stories that make you puke.He was the officer who was first to arrive at a concentration camp for a start.

He served his country for years, and ended his days of employment working for the post office in Glasgow Scotland.The nearest es SAS guy i know lives 6 miles away from me, who also served at the time as my uncle, but sadly didnt serve with him.

I certainly dont need to know your stories about Japanese attrocities, i know all about them, i heard all about them from my uncle who knew people who were actually beheaded and bayonetted to death.

I also know about the secret Japannaese biological warfare experiment where they used Chinese civilians as incubators of virus and jumped on the corpses to get the last drops of blood out of them after they cut their throats.

He proudly displays regiment photos in his living room, and i dont know a single member of the Special forces i ever met who is as flippant as you regarding conflict.

I also know guys who were on the first raid by the American raid to straffe troops that werent supposed to be helping the vietcong, troops that wont supposed to be there.He lived in Alaska until very recently and died of Cancer, and wasnt helped with his medical bills.He was good enough to do three tours out of Fort Bragg, yes three tours, but he was professional and i count on him as a close personal friend.

The stories and testimony i know is from real witnesses, people who worked in positions of real responsibility.I dont need to know what Stephen Ambrose wrote or that type of thing, i have enough contacts who even worked in milton keynes during WW2 and i attend the veterans meetings when they return their to keep touch.These people include people that worked with Alan Turner.

I also have a lady friend who worked for MI6 who is still alive and elderly but has a truly sharp mind still, and i have talked to her in great depth, specifically about her debriefing people involved in what became to be known as the paperclip conspiracy.

My relatives Survived the drops in a multitude of campaigns, including fighting terrorists in foreign climbs, and i know from first hand experience the difference in the training he went through compared to modern methods, of which i am informed, and certainly not through google video or the internet or the history channel.

Theres only one duty of it government towards its military, not to put them in harms way unnessesarily and if they deserve the absolute best equipment and medical assistance that can be provided.

I sincerely hope you vote not to cut either veterans health benefits, soldier pay and listen to any constituents grievances.

While i am at it you should really be spending your time doing something work related, as frankly even senators dont even real all the bills that are passed.

I could go into events in the Phillipeans,Chile, or events i know about in south America or torture techniques employed that would make you revisit your breakfast, but theres no point.

Perhaps you could better serve the interests of your community by possibly writing to Micheal Moore for instance and he will point you in the right direction.

I'm far from an uninformed person, not only do i have friends who served in the and several German relatives one who died who worked in Intelligence during WW2.I also have a German ties, Scottish Ties, relatives in the states,Canada, Australia.I don't have any Irish ties, if that makes any difference to your arguements?

My surname is also on a street in Malaka after an ancestor must have done something there of a notable nature.

By the way, the internet is a tremendous source for uninformed crap, ill take witness testimony from real people over your wikipedia any day.

You cant judge one countries contribution to any war on the basis to justifiy anothers.The argument over Iraq is always twisted.Stick to the facts.

1)No evidence of Bio Warfare programme that want dismantled by the UN weapons inspectors led by Scott Ritter.

2)UN was ignored.And made redundant an is now looked apon as a toothless organisation as a result by American action.Ironic as the American Government had not paid their financial commitment to the organisation.

3)Hans Blix and the Weapons inspectors were ignored.Go read Scott Ritters book.

4)Government Intelligence was selectively quoted and misrepresented as fact even though the Intelligence Agencies qualified all their intelligence and called it "sporadic, patchy, and inconclusive" amongst other terms.

5)Intelligence was deliberately misrepresented to not only Congress and the American people, somehow even Tony Blair even repeated some of the same lied when he was briefed by head of MI6 that there was no intelligence.

6)what Human Intelligence was forthcoming was from Iraqi's who were given the standard relocation package and will be living very nicely somewhere warm in the states at tax payers expense.Their evidence wasnt able to be corroborated and was overplayed, and portrayed as fact.

7) Their is no connection between Saddams Husseins Regime and Al Queada, unlike a demonstrated history of that of the CIA and Pakistani Intelligence, and that of the Saudi Regime.

8)The public were lied to, and the facts are constantly misrepresented, and if you question the facts your either called unpatriotic by the Bush camp and its followers or have character assasination job performed on you to destroy your credibility.Ask the Diplomat concerned.His first name is Joe, ask Colin Powell, he knows him.

Having a pop at other countries is no way to justify your warped view to justify a military action that was authorised by lying to the Senate/Congress/American people and then the same crap was fed to the media who jumped in both boots as war is a good seller, till the bodies start coming home.

It doesnt matter that what infrastructure was destroyed, doesnt matter how many civilians were killed, doesnt matter how many American troops got killed or what the bill will be to pay for it?

All based on a pack of lies by a group of people who i wouldnt trust to sell donuts in disneyland.It certainly wasn't down to the Intelligence Agencies, and they are livid that they were also misrepresented.

Whether Saddam was a menace to the people of the people of Iraq was non of the American Governements business, and frankly in 1991 i along with Colin Powell was dumbfounded when the war was called short as operation over as was Saddam and his Military when Iraqs military could have been completely dismantled and the country returned to its sovereign state and then the Iraqi's could have dealt with the leader.

What happened, The Iraqi's in the south rose up, swept away the state security and then turned to The Americans if it would be allowed to use its army to deal with the resistance movement , which was then bloodily put down.

Bush senior encouraged them to rise up, then offered no support, and even worse sanctioned by inaction the slaughter, and i do mean slaughter of those who did rise up.

And why? There was an election coming along.Political expediency at its worse when even the Army only needed 2 more weeks to completely finish the Republican command and destroy the mechanism That kept saddam holding the Iraqi's by the throat.

Ill paraphrase both Condi Rices and Powell's comments."He has no offensive capability and has no military capability left to be a threat to any neighbouring country.We can deny him the ability to rearm and will continue to do so".

Thats pretty definite, but soon after without any change all of sudden the evidence changed!!

Truly one of the worst examples available in modern history of why we cant trust politicians.

HSD,

Saddam may have been a maniac hell bent on maintaining his regime by all means necessary but that is not the reason we all went to get rid of him.

My Grandmother also reminded me about Kuwait being part of Iraq as well when i visited, which i had no idea at the time.

If we want to get rid of every foreign leader we dont approve of and use unilateral action or pre-emptive strikes then we have truly entered a new point in human history.

Next target on the list then should have been Robert Mugabe, immediately.Sadly though theres nothing there that we need.

Iraq for the record has the 2nd largest oil reserve on the globe.

shall we make a list of how many democratically elected leaders have been disposed of by various means since the END of WW2.

The UN is there for a reason, Millions dying in WW2 was the reason.And soon we forgot and stood by to see concentration camps within europe in the same century.

I dont need to see that on the History channel, i know about it from first hand experience and if i told you the things i know you'd cry,and puke on your computer screen.

I hate politicians for a reason, they sell people down the river, and then try to lie their way out of it.There are very few honest politicians who you could bet your life on.

Goertz was not a very good spy. They made a TV programme about him a few years ago. He tried to deal with the IRA who didn't trust him and the Irish Government caught him and interned him. Your ill-informed observations about Irish neutrality miss the main point that Ireland was neutral because it had fought a war of independence from Britain less than 20 years previously and a civil war about the peace treaty so the Government was neither inclined nor able to join Britain in a war. That didn't stop a couple of hundred thousand Irishmen volunteering for service in the British army against the Nazis. So keep your abuse about Ireland it doesn't support your argument in favour of the modern American war mongers.

Robbie.....your responses address the core issue - the place that really needs regime change at the moment is the US.

Your denying of the truth TT.... is much worse than Confusion and disorientation. This is exactly the Three lillte Monkies syndrom this around 25-30 procent of americans suffering from and still the danger a bout this group winning hte presidency any way is huge! the system of voting it self in America can be a dangerous one and still those around 7 million americans will be those whom are going to send another Bushney and another denier of truth and another lier to the White House becasue there are no alternatives if Obama going to loose his deserved nomination to a lie or a rumor .......

This is exactly the very "Inconvenient Truth" a bout how easy most americans can be deceived one more time and getting a finger a bout how deeply they are tired of business as usual in America, and how tired they are from all what repulican party unfortunatily has become and an administration which was Shoved upon america,s Very Ass since 2001!

Robbie .......TT cant mannage your amount of information at all!

YES......YES And YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

United nations became exaclty for stopping politicians as Bush being able to do what their criminal back round asking them to do and the huge fear bush showed from day one he took power a gainst United nations and the great effort Buhs administration made form day one a gainst united nations and all other human rights based organisation was because Bush knew weakening the organistaion and ignoring its existens and making a huge media storm a gainst the organistion would be the only way Being able to make a geneside with out others could stop him!

Thanks god criminal acts a gainst humanity it self has been reveiled and thanks god because huge numbers of huaman beings all over the globe are fighting a gainst this dynasty of Fear which has poisoned America since 2001!

HOT SINGLE ****?????????

Thanks god I am not hot at all in your eyes Conrad

Holy Shit,I'd have to go and do away with myself

Perfect idea Conrad

He clearly doesnt know much about history and for some reason he has a thing about Ireland contribution of WW2?

I'd like to know what the hell it has to do with any single fact i put to him?

He's a politician after all, i think it says it all.So it isn't a surprise why he's sticking to his arguement and not responding to any of the actual facts.

Plenty of Irish people as you said volunteered and fought for the Allied side.

My points are non political, non partisan and certainly not dispariging to the american people unlike him taking cheap shots at counties in Europe.

If his attention to detail keep havng at a pop at Ireland on replies to my posts are an example of his eye to detail and not noticing i wasnt even Irish and i never even mentioned Ireland then well, ill let him explain why he seems to have a problem with the Irish during WW2?

He does what any politician does, instead of answering a question he asks another, and if in doubt call your experience or depth of knowlegde or qualifications into question.

If all that fails then its bring up patriotism and after that god.

Well in my case he's onto and absolute hiding as i know exactly what i'm talking about and i have first hand experience of how the system works.

Typical for the breed sadly.

Thanks god you and Fallingman are here in this treat to make the matters steeled for good! I have not much knowledge a bout Ireland than it is a fabulous country with wonderful and very warm people and good food and great beer as well!

And Irish people...well they are not Snobs at all! A Great country to visit and a corner in Europe where great traditions are taken cared of well and when you meet a lot new friends very quick.

Seeing TT,s posts I just understand why on earth Bush was voted in twice ,sorry I I meant Once at least

He is a perfect soldier for Bushney,s and he dont even have to change his views at all!

Many people have a tendency to beleive in politicians just if the same politicians keep telling the same lies a gain and again ! this technic has been used a lot in many under developed countries but oak....even America is a very well developed country, it has acted as an under developed country......and the same Shit can happen a gain!

It's good you know something that no one else knows. That makes you very unique. There's a long history of voter fraud in key areas of the country. Chicago being the main one.

Wasn't it funny that Dan Rather called the state for Bush early knowing that people in the panhandle of Florida left voting lines upon hearing the news that Bush had carried the state? When, in fact, no other station had called it. I wasn't in Florida, but there numberous reports that Republicans left the lines on the assumption their candidate carried the state.

It's difficult to blame the Republican party for a piss poor ballot design in Florida where people got confused on who to vote for, when Democrats designed the freakin ballot. (that's funny, regardless of who won).

I won't beat the dead horse about Gore trying to block the military mail in vote. Wisconsin was a close race also. Of course, there college students were bribing homeless to vote in exchange for a pack of cigarettes. That didn't make big press because of the Florida mess.

Fortunately, Indiana's law was upheld by the Supreme Court that makes citizens have a photo ID in order to vote. Hopefully other states follow! That'll keep political hacks from driving around vans and having people vote in different in different precincts. (finally)

It comes down to the fact that Gore couldn't carry his own state or home district that he lost the race.
He was a pathetically weak candidate, regardless of anyone's politics. His "people are the conscious of America. Who would know him better!

Why don't we argue the Kennedy-Nixon race as it would do just about as much good as arguing the Gore-Bush race.

Now Robbie, I'm not a historian, so I won't go there. But to use Michael Moore as a credible reference for anything doesn't say much~~

JMO~

Hey Dude, to get back on topic:

(courtesy of Real Clear Politics.com)


The three leading candidates for their party's nomination are being discussed in terms of their demographics -- race, sex and age -- as if that is what the job is about.

One of the painful aspects of studying great catastrophes of the past is discovering how many times people were preoccupied with trivialities when they were teetering on the edge of doom. The demographics of the presidency are far less important than the momentous weight of responsibility that office carries.

Just the power to nominate federal judges to trial courts and appellate courts across the country, including the Supreme Court, can have an enormous impact for decades to come. There is no point feeling outraged by things done by federal judges, if you vote on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them.

Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals from being tried as adults.

Although Senator Obama has presented himself as the candidate of new things -- using the mantra of "change" endlessly -- the cold fact is that virtually everything he says about domestic policy is straight out of the 1960s and virtually everything he says about foreign policy is straight out of the 1930s.

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s.

We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment. During the 1960s, ghettoes across the countries were ravaged by riots from which many have not fully recovered to this day.

The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting grievances and hamstringing the police.

Internationally, the approach that Senator Obama proposes -- including the media magic of meetings between heads of state -- was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.

Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of history to have heard about it.

Eloquently stated, much better than I could say it.

One last thing Dude:


Why did Obama throw his pastor under the bus? I thought Rev. Wright was correct on all of his social complaints? At least you backed him up.


Obama, a typical politician.

I was on the road....

The point on nuetrality. Is that my feeling that much of Europe is today....in regards to the US, to the GWOT, to Iraq, and even Afghanistan. Your position is one of 'undeclared nuetrality'.

I am showing a history of taking such a position of nuetrality. Also here intend to show where that position of nuetrality ulitmately takes a country in its foreign relationships.

Let's return to WWII for a moment. Once Ireland was nuetrality..all know that England came to it several times to reverse it. Each time, a no. Except for the 70,000 that saw they needed to be in the fight. But at the government level, the requests were rejected. Eventually, England stopped asking.

They realized that Ireland was not there. So Ireland lost
what influence with England and US that it had. Why continue to knock on a door that is closed? Time is short, events are pressing. Ireland was voiceless with the major combants of WWII. There is no reason to listen to Ireland's gov't.

America is reaching that point today with much of Europe. We go to a NATO meeting...ask for 7000 more troops for Afghanistan....get a grudging 2000 with many deployment and mission requirements attached that they will be difficult to fit into the Afghanistan chain of command and deployment scheme. Sure we are thankful for the 2000. But why not the 7000, without any strings? It is because of 'undeclared nuetrality'.

We bring you intel on a Syrian reactor. It gets a yawn? Syrian made a secret reactor with the ability to give enough material for 1 or 2 devices a year. Another yawn? Enough for a terrorist's device and city destroyed. A yawn? Syria failed to give any of this to IEAI. Again a yawn? This the degree of undeclared nuetrality in Europe. That it is pretty solid and well established in your countries now. It is now a 'acceptable practice and position'. Even to new intel of significant matter.

We show you intel on the Iranian programs for missiles and devices.
You see the threat to Europe....all NATO countries...vote 100% for the limited interceptor missiles. We are happy to place it. But your undeclared nuetrality keeps any kind of cohesive European pressure from being applied on Iran.

Each time this happens..America sees the door that had been wide open..during the cold war and after...close some. Eventually, we will simply our position of WWII. To ignore European consultation from countries that are nuetral. Countries like the UK, Poland, Australia, even France will find an ear. But others...that have gone this course....will lose standing by nuetrality. That is the point I make.

Basically, we see it this way, you don't want our friendship......and we cannot depend on yours. So why keep knocking on the door? We have other things to do. Than to listen to your concerns since you have little involvement.

If the war on terror is lost..and it is still a real war with an outcome
to be decided. Those European countries that took a course of undeclared nuetrality....will be part of the reason of the lost. Not totally, but in part. Future historians will look back and ask where were they? Why did they not commit in this? In reading your responses, one can say... back in 2002, feeling lied to, feeling this position of undeclared nuetrality was correct.

In doing so, the unity of NATO was split, of a cohesive plan of action against Iran denied, and Islamic terrorism met a factured west. That will be the historian's conclusion. Honestly, how can it be any other?

Robbie, I realize it not your fault personally. Or Dudes or Fallingman, or Solitare. I am not pointing at anyone one person in saying this. American will also have reasons for this lost that our children and grand children will face.

The US has fought hard after 9/11. Honestly, we have more
to go. Most of us are proud of the efforts of our forces. The pain felt when Europe criticises this, is real. That pain will eventually close our open door.

Robbie, then you know what I said was the truth, yes?
What happen in the Phillipine also happened in elsewhere to Brits as your relativies. I am reminding you of a deep common bond of our past here. That you don't have Irish ties doesnot change my position on the
decision to support Europe first. It is well documented.

Your words here tells me agree on alot. One of my projects was on new material for body armors. That your friends was denied gov't benefits, is in my opinion wrong. Had I known, I would given advice to a excellent attroney to gain them. I have done it for others.