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Told you:Lay off them Beans,you're not living in Bean-Town!!!

Theres more than a little evidence that out planets warming happens to coincide with sun spot activity.When we get a good solar flare theres allsorts of changes.

Polution is obviously a biproduct of a civilisation, and its our responsibility to use the resources by using the most efficient technology we have to make the planet we live on the cleanest we can for the sake of our children, and their children in turn.

No old non efficient coal fired power stations should be built when theres clean versions available.No more cars with combustion engines should be manurfactured and stated that all new cars should be made along the basis of say a lexus 300 with its electric engine thats powered by the conventional engine when the speed goes up.

These choices need to just be done, just draw a line in the sand on a calender in say 3 years and say no more production to the old standard within 18 months.

We could move from reliance on the combustion engine for the automotive industry immediately if there was the will.It just goes to prove that change wont happen unless industry is either forced to do it or cost effective savings are made.

That said give it 2 decades and the chinese will run everything anyway and absolutely no way will they listen to public or pressure groups, as their example of life in Tibet has been clearly exemplified.

"Full Spectrum Dominance" is what the Americans want and its no wonder, as their will only be one superpower in the next 20 years unless ovewhelming military investment is made, and the hawks know it.

After all there already "painting" satelites and the yanks wont like that.They were there before when the Russians were downing American satelites as the Russians aremuch larger and have far more dummies to act as targets.After all that was the real reason of the "Salt" treaty as both parties couldnt afford to keep loosing satelites at an increasing rate.

I bet although i am sure its now in the public domain hardly anyone knows or cares and wont see a problem till their phone doesnt work.

I guess Rev, Wright was suppressed all the way into his $2m dollar house......let me have some of that supression!

As for opening there eyes..........seem to me that there eyes on both side here. Barak Obama and his side have thier eyes on some big $
prizes......I told you before the farleft in America is all about $.

In other places maybe not, But here.......those cd sale and those books sale and those speaker contracts......I wonder how much Rev Wright is getting for his Moyer interviews?

The only reason he would continue to be public...when it is so damaging to Barak........is there are $ involved

and to think, if Rev. Wright had just built 10 homes at 200k each, he could have housed 10 homeless people. Or.........he could have built 20-100k houses ~~~~

Obama is refusing to debate Hillary in Indiana. Shes' got him running "skeerd"....


Maybe the candidates could expound on redneck-hillbilly Hoosiers

it is....and so is he....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mlStKM9R4

(someone sent this...thought it was funny, and sexy)

warning........guys, you may not want to watch this.....

And to think, America was dumb enough to allow women to vote.

dont even go there Indy......either laugh or move on hun.....

if it were not for women.....where would u be?

Well, I wouldn't be hanging out with "Dude" .......that's for damn sure!

whatever....you love dude!

Like hemmroids........

This is where we part ways Indy, Global warming is a reality, Just ask Owl Gore..

Seriously, we do owe it to our environment to be more responsible but this fear mongering, global warming bullshit drives me nuts.

The fear-mongering is way over the top but the problem is real and the denial (It's-just-boring-Al-Gore-spouting-wind-and-let's-blame-Michael-Moore-for-being-fat-and-publicity-seeking) is even more worrying. Pretending something isn't there and abusing the messengers is not facing up to it.

Anjel, if I understand the original and basic concept of procreation correctly, there would be few woman around without the male
species around here as well.

I do realize that in modern time this concept has been technologically
advanced, so is not a requirement today. But if you go back in
history.......you needed two to make the 6 billion, we have here today.

With 51% of the 6 billion being women and only 49% being men.
Men are the minority. Women the majority. My question is.....why have not the majority done a better job at running the world? (ala Rev. Wright tactics)

Applying Rev. Wright's theology here. Women have brought us 9/11.....aids......KKK.....a disfunctional American society.....
policies in middle east that brought about terrorism and wars. Hey, you gals are the majority. Does not sound to me that you are doing a very good job at running things. The buck stops with the majority.

You say those are unfounded claims and total distortions. When you ladies got empowered with the vote and with women's liberation...and became this majority...seems to me that you also got to take blame when something goes wrong. Seems like a lot has gone wrong.

You say we were not doing this. We did not have a woman in the Presidency....a man was there. Could it not be then that the man that was in Presidency and his Administration has nothing to do
with such either? That the claims were fabrications (e.g. lies) and total distortions of to discredit? A lie is a lie, yes? Whether they are pointed at the majority or at a Administration?

Actually speaking for most men......we like having you around.....even
if you are the majority. If not because now we know were to really take the accusations like Rev. Wrights to the majority......also because that original concept of procreation is still widely accepted today.........and when we get lost driving and are without a map, it much better to have a woman asking the question at the gas station.

The planet has been warming and cooling since it came into existance. In the 70s scientists believed we were entering into global cooling and spread fear throughout the land. Like the current theory of global warming, it was wrong because they lack the ability to predict such things and they are funded by people who want certain results to project or protect their own political, financial and other bullshit agendas. I suppose if lack of faith in our scientific community means I am pretending it isn't happening, then I am pretending it isn't happening.

Do we need to be environmentally friendly, yes... But I am not going to panic everytime someone cries the sky is falling. If that's your decision by all means have a blast.

I do think that our environment has changed. Also that areas of the globe that have a more of the change than others. Be in Los Angles when they have a temp inversion and the smog builds up to where you can barely breath. And you know there are problems.

Yet if the messenger brings me a message that is fear based and is errored to cause, to effect, to solution. How do I help, if I am in a position of leadership? I don't want to be Ciero playing my fiddle, while Rome burns. But if I send the fire battalion to the wrong place in Rome little good is done either.

There is massive amounts of enviromental data, studies, documentaries, and other information out there today on this. Major science conferences like Kyoto occur. Micheal Moore and Al Gore do
films on it. Environmentalist use the material for everything from stopping off shore drilling because a endangered sea slugs, to now making platform positions in political parties.

I don't think that is denial.....rather confusion over the massive amounts of 'science' (some very good and some very not) that keeps
solid problem solving and solutions from occuring. Let me give you a example of good envirnomental science and then some that are not.

I know a man that has a air quality control flight operation.
He has three aircraft rigged with air testing equipment. They fly them at different route and altitudes taking measurement and testing the air. He did a study on the emmisions of the steel mills in Pittsburg, PA and thier down wind fallout area in the New England States. They connected that this 'acid rain' was killing trees in the forests of PA and NY. Solid linkage between cause and effect. New legistation came to control the emmissions.

But now you get a documentary like Gores' or Moores. And global warming is going to cause the polar ice caps to melt and NYC is to be flooded? You got to show me the linkage. Solid science linkage. It does not seem to be there in my opinion. You ask when is all this to occur....the answer.....well 400-500 years from now....maybe sooner.....
but we really don't know. Sorry 400-500 years from now, I am not going to be here.....they are going to have to solve some of their problems then. And since NYC today is not flooding, this not a high priority to me.

For me to get interested in environment issues...show me 'solid linkage' and show me how in 'my lifetime', I can be positive change to it. Else? You are just playing some futuristic fear card that is unsubstaniated with me.

You used word economy over my post. Saved some electricity
and screen prontons in the process. The environment thanks you.

Well, I agree the sky isn't quite falling. However there are a lot of things changing and getting more erratic. I know there are long term cycles in climate but it seems things are getting a lot quicker and a lot more unpredictable. Also...the global cooling, global warming thing seems like it is all part of the same thing....change and fast change. I don't believe that humans are responsible for all of it either but I do think that we are responsible for quite a lot and that our impact added to other things might be more than we think.

I don't have "faith" in the scientists any more than faith in anything but I do listen and a lot of what I hear makes sense even if it is not too cheerful.

(are we in disagreement here? I am not sure)

I have to admit it is tempting to not care about what happens after I am dead....but then I don't believe in God. However, it is a bit mean to burn all the fuel, ruin the planet and hand it on to the next generation saying......your problem lads....I'm off!!

Just a footnote on "science"

I know that some science is better than other and that not everyone knows what they are talking about or has done enough proper research for their theses. But proper science is cumulative and builds on the work of others and scientists discuss and debate and prod at things to see if they stand up.

Unfortunately there is a whold school of "fake science" in recent years or if you like "political science" which is produced or purchased by political interests to back up their case and to be used to create a spurious sense of uncertainty about key issues like climate change, whether cigarettes harm you and even hilariously, creationism.

That stuff is not tested science....it is politics. It has its role but the label on the jar should call it what it is.

Also, while I might regard Al Gore as a bore and Michael Moore as a self-publicist that doesn't make all of what they say wrong. Shooting the messenger is easy and plays to the gallery but doesn't address the facts.