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In the end, American autogenocide has always been about maintaining the current power structure and System, that acts like a modern (evolved) version of the the colonial period power structure and System. The only difference is that modern politicians don’t wear broad-coats and powdered wigs.

Faye Weldon, British writer and feminist said, “Everything has changed but nothing is different” about feminism. The same thing can be said about American government since its beginning to now.

23. New American Eugenics in a New American Gilded Age. Despite the weak laws and strong propaganda, America remains classiest and racist. Racism is unavoidable because it is institutional and because in patriarchal economies, where the elite receive the lion’s share of the village’s wealth, racism works as a selection tool to determine who gets the remaining crumbs and how much.

The first Gilded Age was the era from post-Civil War/ post-Reconstruction Era from 1865 to 1930. This time in American history saw unprecedented economic, territorial, industrial, and population expansion. There was a great increase in ethnic and racial diversity. Social tensions grew as a result of a decreasing Anglo-Saxon majority. The economic gap between rich and poor was great. At the end of this Gilded Age, the elite of America and their institutions began supporting a pseudo-science called eugenics that promised to help solve the social problems of that age.

From its beginning, eugenics has been supported by prominent thinkers, including Plato, Sir Francis Galton, Charles Darwin, Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, and Winston Churchill, and was an academic discipline at many colleges and universities.

American Eugenics was conceived at the onset of the twentieth century and was implemented by America’s wealthiest, most powerful, most learned and most influential individuals and institutions, including the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Harriman railroad fortune (the Bush family fortune comes from deep, intimate business relationships with the Harriman family), Harvard University, Princeton University, Yale University, Stanford University, the American Medical Association, Margaret Sanger, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Robert Yerkes, Woodrow Wilson, the American Museum of Natural History, the American Genetic Association and a sweeping array of government agencies from the obscure Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics to the U.S. State Department.

American eugenicists sought to methodically terminate all the racial groups, ethnic groups and social classes they disliked, feared or deemed a threat to established power, then or later on.

Their goal was to sterilize fourteen million people in the United States and millions more worldwide — the “lower tenth.” Afterwards, they planned to eradicate the remaining lowest tenth until only a pure Nordic super race remained on the face of the earth.

American eugenicists exported their philosophy to nations throughout the world including Nazi Germany. More, American elite, through foundations, gave grants to Germany for its eugenics program.

The American Eugenics Society was organized in 1921, following the Second International Conference on Eugenics held in New York City in that year. In 1972, the American Eugenics Society was reorganized and renamed The Society for the Study of Social Biology.


Eugenics and genocide is synonymous. This is because eugenics provides a big justification for genocide.

Trish,

If they want us gone they dont have a lot to do to get rid of however many they want through use of technology and leaving property and infrastructure intect.

Its a pure numbers game and china is top economic dog for manurfacturing, and will be the superpower within 20 years.

Nobody will tell China what to do.They learned their lessons from what we did to collapse their empire through opium.

Ladies and gents, if you didn't know it was British foreign policy to be opium dealers not so long ago, and its right there in Hansard for all to see!!

Hansard for non Brits is the Official Government records for things that are debated and discussed inside the House of Parliament.

Their methodology too is long range as well they plan over long periods, with strategy.

Truth is if we don't have a cataclysm then with dwindling resources do you really think China will export resources to the west? No chance, it will use its economic and military power to do anything it wants.

That said and current growth in India as well there's going to be a power shortage.

It's a rush for resources and the means to secure them by force.Oil water and the means to make electricity.

America needs full spectrum dominance and the Chinese wont allow them to have it, at any cost.

Meantime, learn to watch sports on tv and drink beer, thats what always solves critical problems, after all its always the other guys fault.

Hiya Robbie

all we have to do with China is to boycott their goods and they will soon tow the line. The history of the drugs war with China is very informative and fills in many of the gaps regarding why exactly that country are asserting their economic prowess - they are as dependent on us as we have allowed ourselves to become on them. A bit of the history is in the link

http://www.victorianweb.org/history/empire/opiumwars/opiumwars1.html

Much of the western worlds manufacturing base has gone over to China but effectvely, they need the produced goods to be bought or they will themselves be in a state of 'stalemate'


Meantime, learn to watch sports on tv and drink beer, thats what always solves critical problems, after all its always the other guys fault.

I'll pass on this one thanks but may have a beer or two much later on

The current food crisis has been developing a lot longer than 18 months and there have been lots of warnings about it for some years now, and unless something changes there will be a lot more "shortages"

The reasons for it are a combination of the "conventional factors" and the stock-piling of speculators.
It should also be understood that only a small percent of the worlds rice production is for export, the rest is subject to the demands of commodity market that can have devastating effects on World prices.

This has to be controlled by the equivalent of a CAP system that is agreed to Worldwide.

I really feel that the concept of "Auto-genocide" is taking some things too far. It credits the powers that be with a lot more intelligence and ability than they have.

What I mean is if you look at the current rice shortage and "reverse engineer" the politics it can be made to look like it was planned, when in fact it is the result of unintended consequences. A lot of history can have this done to it.

If these powers really could do what they like without any interference they would have engineered an all out continuing attack on the US from Islamic terrorists so they could go ahead with the backing of everyone and take over the Middle-east and beyond with the blessing of everyone.

No the World is not that evil. Ignorant and often selfish yes, without the realization that the "butterfly effect" has as much to do with economics as physics.

I think we are still very primitive and prone to almost superstitious-like thinking about the powers that politicians and the super-rich have, giving them God-like qualities of mass destruction and control, when in fact they suffer from as much confusion ignorance and "unintended consequences" as the rest of us.

That we will change and that things like "eugenics" will become part of everyday life I have no doubt this will happen with GE. This can do an incredible amount of good for generations to come with the avoidance of inherited disease.

We in Europe have only just learned to stop fighting one another and to control basic foodstuffs so everyone can eat. It has taken many centuries for us to learn this and maintain an equality in society.

And let us not forget that you or I, or Maniolta or anyone else, can decide tomorrow to devote our life to politics and rise through the ranks and become one of the most powerful people in our respective countries or indeed Europe and make a difference.

Seems it's always the fault of us Americans

I'm going to shut off my computer and go outdoors for a month or so

I did say a couple of posts back Joanie that its relative to the whole world, not just America. Earlier today I was looking at vote rigging using machines for the counting - I couldnt find too much on the British stuff other than a couple of reports in the Guardian, but I found lots on the American issues involved - I will look more tomorrow before posting on the vote rigging thing.

This next one is just a bit on the way the pharmaceutical industry works and though America is mentioned quite a bit, it is outlined that it is in no way a problem of only America or caused by them.

Patrick, its just a little allusion to the autogenocide - and the values placed by society of 'filthy lucre' ;


by: Mike Adams
http://www.newstarget.com/

A look at the history of war on planet earth reveals some interesting facts related to the pharmaceutical industry. World War I resulted in the deaths of millions of people. World War II killed tens of millions of people -- not Americans, mind you, but Russians, who ultimately received the greatest number of casualties. Other wars, such as the Vietnam War, resulted in tens of thousands of American deaths, and hundreds of thousands if you look at the total body count. The war on Iraq has now has killed tens of thousands of people as well, most of whom are Iraqi civilians.

But there's another war that is rarely mentioned in the history books that is killing an estimated 12 million people each year around the world. It is an economic war, and a war of control. This war is being waged by the pharmaceutical industry. Today, the industry is being blamed for causing the injury and death of millions of people through the so-called "business with disease", and it is being accused of war crimes before the ICC, the International Criminal Court, in the Hague.

New charges and accusations state that the pharmaceutical industry is committing genocide and was built with the primary goal of controlling health care systems around the world and systematically replacing natural, non-patentable therapies with profitable, synthetic drugs and patentable therapies that could be sold to patients at sky-high prices. For those new to the argument about what's wrong with the pharmaceutical industry, some of these charges might seem outlandish, but in fact, the history of medicine, even in the United States, is full of evidence that supports such a notion. Most people don't know, for example, that the American Medical Association has twice been convicted of conspiracy in the federal courts of the United States of America.

What kind of conspiracy? Conspiracy to suppress non-conventional treatments, most notably chiropractic care. At the turn of the 20th century and throughout the mid-century, the American Medical Association was working very hard to control medicine and outright ban or discredit any therapy that it could not control. In fact, there were assassination attempts made on people who were outspoken against the industry, including a man named Hoxsey, who was a promoter of alternative cancer therapies made with medicinal plants that cured cancer tumors. Certainly, Hoxsey was also a great salesman, and he did himself more harm than good by taking on the persona of a snake oil salesman, but there was much merit to his formulas as has now been revealed by scientific analysis of the phytochemicals present in the medicinal plant ingredients he used and advocated.

Now, with this accusation of crimes against humanity, U.S. Chief Prosecutor Telford Taylor says, "The indictment accuses these men for visiting upon mankind the most devastating and catastrophic war in human history." It is indeed a war against humanity, and it is a war waged for the control of profits, because where there is money to be made, there is power to be grabbed, and the only way the pharmaceutical industry can grab power is by making sure that people don't have access to or don't believe in alternative therapies that could prevent chronic disease or treat disease in more affordable ways.

My comments on this action are as follows: For one, I think the term genocide is misused here. Genocide, in my understanding, refers to an effort to wipe out a specific population or culture. For example, an attempt to exterminate one race would be considered genocide, and as far as I can tell, the pharmaceutical industry doesn't target any particular race. So I don't think genocide really applies here. I think the term is misused in this context.

However, the phrase, "a war against humanity" is somewhat more credible, but still, I don't think that the intentions of the pharmaceutical industry are to wipe out mankind or to actually declare war on people. I think the pharmaceutical industry is engaged in nothing more than economic conquest. It's all about dollars and greed and profits, and not at all about trying to do evil in the world. In fact, I believe that the people running the pharmaceutical companies believe that they themselves are doing tremendous good.

This is the nature of evil -- people who are involved in it often think that they are on an important mission to find the cure for cancer, for example, and the only way to do that is to sell more drugs, and generate more profits, and put that money back into research in the hopes that someday they will find the cure. This is all self-deception, of course, because it's not money that is lacking for a cancer cure -- it's the myopic paradigms of conventional medicine that stand in the way. And besides, cancer already has many cures available if people would simply look beyond conventional medicine and prescription drugs.

So I don't think they are evil people, and I don't think that they would consciously intend to harm humanity. What I do think is that they are blinded by their greed. They're going after profits no matter what the cost, and they are justifying their actions by claiming they are doing research that would someday cure certain diseases -- and that's a promise we know will never unfold.

The kind of psychological justification going on in the minds of people who work at pharmaceutical companies is probably very much like the justification that was going on in the minds of Nazi soldiers who guarded the Berlin wall (and who shot people who were attempting to cross the wall). These soldiers were just "following orders", which is much the same justification that pharmaceutical company employees take home with them every single day. They're just doing a job -- they're just making a salary and trying to support their family.

What people don't realize is that when they are part of a machine that is, in one way or another, causing great harm to humanity, they are in effect responsible for their role in that outcome. Just because a person is a salaried employee and doesn't have executive control over the company doesn't excuse the fact that they are, in essence, enabling a system that trades health for profits, that seeks to exploit the diseased and dying in our world in order to generate shareholder value for investors. It doesn't excuse the fact that this is an industry that has sought to systematically wipe out and discredited alternative therapies in order to maintain control and keep customers lining up at doctor's offices across the country and around the world.

Great thread!

My answer to the first question posed: It will change when, AND ONLY WHEN, enough of us humans stand up and DEMAND with one voice that it change.

This is why I've spent the past 6 years now, learning the truth and trying to PASS IT ON.

Seems to be catching on!!! Yahoo!

Trish, thank you for the great info!

Can you please help me to dispel a myth that I believe is very devisive and a big part of the problem?

Each of us is a part of THE SAME RACE, the human race. Maybe it is just semantics, but perhaps it is the sort of thinking we all need to do.

It has likely cost me jobs in the 10 years or so that I've done it... so be it. I've written, IN CAPS, on every application that I've submitted, where they ask me to label my "race"...

HUMAN

I came across this information while researching for another thread.

The the agricultural firm Bayer Engineered a strain of rice that ended up in almost every country in the World although was illegal and not passed for human consumption.

The other rather dark side to this is that the strain was bred to produce a chemical resistant variety that could only be destroyed by chemicals produced and patented by Bayers.

I do know that a GE varieties of grass were tested and proved to be so strong at taking over from the indigenous varieties that they proved extremely difficult to eradicate.

The US Government passed a retrospective regulation to legalize it under highly suspect circumstances but only after it was 18 months on the world market.

All imports of US rice were banned from the EU, New Zealand and lots of other countries which played a part in the commodity market responding negatively and less rice being grown in the US which now ranks at about 6th or 7th place instead of being the largest producer which it once was.

it seems ironic that there should now be a shortage of rice in the US today!

The race issue is only indicative of of a "racist" attitude that goes way beyond mere skin colour or ethnic background. If we were all the same colour and ethnic background it would still exist, I think it is a basic power structure that anything can be used to back up. Intelligence, aesthetic physical features, The address of where you live, your accent.

If I may say so and this is a racist comment, Only idiots use skin colour to differentiate people, see I am racist to idiots.

"Why dont they put some money in Agriculture? They have the technology to feed every single one of us?".




One word: ECONOMICS!

yes HUMAN does seem to be getting lost in the equation doesnt it sadly

The semantics are all muddled and confused a la 'newspeak' or thoughtcrime with basic concepts of humanity embattled within this, that or the other method of taking our 'tiny little minds' off it all - in other words, we are distracted from our basic humanity by petty divisions fostered to keep us occupied and from doing too much looking into what really matters - would I be being totally paranoid if I suggested that wars and food shortages and religions are all distractors from the real issues - I dont think so personally.

IMO, whats really going on is that filthy lucre is running the show and there are too many humans for the perpetuation of the current economic climate - but we are, I sadly believe, disposable - I see no evidence to the contrary - do you?

I havent looked into it (yet) but I believe there will be an optimum figure for the status quo to remain, cos, things naturally change, empires rise and fall but I think moves are afoot to bring about a situation where these natural changes could be manipulated and frozen in the interests of the very small percentage who continue to cream off the wealth and have the rest of us as drones.................

I didnt really expect a lot of agreement on the autogenocide stuff as I know it sounds totally far fetched, I agree - but for how long? Money people own the media and have done for years so there is nothing easier than to spread discord among the populace, getting infighting and factionalism on the rise - its all just distractions - but where was the help when the levees broke - where???

copied from Global Exchange...........


Top Reasons to Oppose the WTO

1. The WTO Is Fundamentally Undemocratic
The policies of the WTO impact all aspects of society and the planet, but it is not a democratic, transparent institution. The WTO rules are written by and for corporations with inside access to the negotiations. For example, the US Trade Representative gets heavy input for negotiations from 17 "Industry Sector Advisory Committees." Citizen input by consumer, environmental, human rights and labor organizations is consistently ignored. Even simple requests for information are denied, and the proceedings are held in secret. Who elected this secret global government?

2. The WTO Will Not Make Us Safer

The WTO would like you to believe that creating a world of "free trade" will promote global understanding and peace. On the contrary, the domination of international trade by rich countries for the benefit of their individual interests fuels anger and resentment that make us less safe. To build real global security, we need international agreements that respect people's rights to democracy and trade systems that promote global justice.

3. The WTO Tramples Labor and Human Rights

WTO rules put the "rights" of corporations to profit over human and labor rights. The WTO encourages a 'race to the bottom' in wages by pitting workers against each other rather than promoting internationally recognized labor standards. The WTO has ruled that it is illegal for a government to ban a product based on the way it is produced, such as with child labor. It has also ruled that governments cannot take into account "non commercial values" such as human rights, or the behavior of companies that do business with vicious dictatorships such as Burma when making purchasing decisions.

4. The WTO Would Privatize Essential Services

The WTO is seeking to privatize essential public services such as education, health care, energy and water. Privatization means the selling off of public assets - such as radio airwaves or schools - to private (usually foreign) corporations, to run for profit rather than the public good. The WTO's General Agreement on Trade in Services, or GATS, includes a list of about 160 threatened services including elder and child care, sewage, garbage, park maintenance, telecommunications, construction, banking, insurance, transportation, shipping, postal services, and tourism. In some countries, privatization is already occurring. Those least able to pay for vital services - working class communities and communities of color - are the ones who suffer the most.

5. The WTO Is Destroying the Environment

The WTO is being used by corporations to dismantle hard-won local and national environmental protections, which are attacked as "barriers to trade." The very first WTO panel ruled that a provision of the US Clean Air Act, requiring both domestic and foreign producers alike to produce cleaner gasoline, was illegal. The WTO declared illegal a provision of the Endangered Species Act that requires shrimp sold in the US to be caught with an inexpensive device allowing endangered sea turtles to escape. The WTO is attempting to deregulate industries including logging, fishing, water utilities, and energy distribution, which will lead to further exploitation of these natural resources.

6. The WTO is Killing People

The WTO's fierce defense of 'Trade Related Intellectual Property' rights (TRIPs)—patents, copyrights and trademarks—comes at the expense of health and human lives. The WTO has protected for pharmaceutical companies' 'right to profit' against governments seeking to protect their people's health by providing lifesaving medicines in countries in areas like sub-saharan Africa, where thousands die every day from HIV/AIDS. Developing countries won an important victory in 2001 when they affirmed the right to produce generic drugs (or import them if they lacked production capacity), so that they could provide essential lifesaving medicines to their populations less expensively. Unfortunately, in September 2003, many new conditions were agreed to that will make it more difficult for countries to produce those drugs. Once again, the WTO demonstrates that it favors corporate profit over saving human lives.

7. The WTO is Increasing Inequality

Free trade is not working for the majority of the world. During the most recent period of rapid growth in global trade and investment (1960 to 1998) inequality worsened both internationally and within countries. The UN Development Program reports that the richest 20 percent of the world's population consume 86 percent of the world's resources while the poorest 80 percent consume just 14 percent. WTO rules have hastened these trends by opening up countries to foreign investment and thereby making it easier for production to go where the labor is cheapest and most easily exploited and environmental costs are low.

8. The WTO is Increasing Hunger

Farmers produce enough food in the world to feed everyone -- yet because of corporate control of food distribution, as many as 800 million people worldwide suffer from chronic malnutrition. According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, food is a human right. In developing countries, as many as four out of every five people make their living from the land. But the leading principle in the WTO's Agreement on Agriculture is that market forces should control agricultural policies-rather than a national commitment to guarantee food security and maintain decent family farmer incomes. WTO policies have allowed dumping of heavily subsidized industrially produced food into poor countries, undermining local production and increasing hunger.

9. The WTO Hurts Poor, Small Countries in Favor of Rich Powerful Nations

The WTO supposedly operates on a consensus basis, with equal decision-making power for all. In reality, many important decisions get made in a process whereby poor countries' negotiators are not even invited to closed door meetings -- and then 'agreements' are announced that poor countries didn't even know were being discussed. Many countries do not even have enough trade personnel to participate in all the negotiations or to even have a permanent representative at the WTO. This severely disadvantages poor countries from representing their interests. Likewise, many countries are too poor to defend themselves from WTO challenges from the rich countries, and change their laws rather than pay for their own defense.

10. The WTO Undermines Local Level Decision-Making and National Sovereignty

The WTO's "most favored nation" provision requires all WTO member countries to treat each other equally and to treat all corporations from these countries equally regardless of their track record. Local policies aimed at rewarding companies who hire local residents, use domestic materials, or adopt environmentally sound practices are essentially illegal under the WTO. Developing countries are prohibited from creating local laws that developed countries once pursued, such as protecting new, domestic industries until they can be internationally competitive. California Governor Gray Davis vetoed a "Buy California" bill that would have granted a small preference to local businesses because it was WTO-illegal. Conforming with the WTO required entire sections of US laws to be rewritten. Many countries are even changing their laws and constitutions in anticipation of potential future WTO rulings and negotiations.

11. There are Alternatives to the WTO

Citizen organizations have developed alternatives to the corporate-dominated system of international economic governance. Together we can build the political space that nurtures a democratic global economy that promotes jobs, ensures that every person is guaranteed their human rights to food, water, education, and health care, promotes freedom and security, and preserves our shared environment for future generations.

12. The Tide is Turning Against Free Trade and the WTO!

International opposition to the WTO is growing. Massive protests in Seattle of 1999 brought over 50,000 people together to oppose the WTO—and succeeded in shutting the meeting down. When the WTO met in 2001, the Trade negotiators were unable meet their goals of expanding the WTO's reach. In Cancún, Mexico and Hong Kong, China, the WTO met thousands of activists in protest, scoring a major victory for democracy. Developing countries refused to give in to the rich countries' agenda of WTO expansion - and caused the talks to collapse



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So your thread really has nothing to do with hunger, correct?

This should give some numbers to your thread.

US Agri exports for the last 5 years
values in 1000 US Dollars

2003................................................................6,455,878
2004................................................................6,526,703
2005................................................................6,566,203
2006................................................................6,990,748
2007................................................................8,287,815

includes both food and equipment exports.

I think that we are doing our fair share to feed the world.

On Haiti rice. Last year the US shipped 400,000 ton of long cernel rice to Haiti. The same period, Haiti grew only 99,000 tons of a local short cernel rice. The US sent 4 times what they grew for themselves.

Guess what? We have fed much of the world since the end of
WWII. A lot US agi people are both angry and tired about how this has been appreciated around the world, with the devaluation of the $, with the the lack of the world's participation in the war on terrorism, with the opinions we often see online about such issues as rice in Haiti.

American agi people are some of the most Patriot, God loving and country loving people in the USA. They send their sons and daughters off to Iraq and Afghanistan. As Barak Obama found out in
PA this last week....there are a lot of them. Some rural areas of western PA voted 70/30 for Hillary after his bitterness comments. And they do vote, consistently.

The American agi industry is one the greatest in the world. But it also part our countries foreign policy. As we send food aid around the world.....we cannot feed the worlds 6 billion alone. Even though as you can see by the figures.....we consistently over the last 5 years have exported more.

Those 6 billion need to keep up thier own food productions levels. That is the real story of Haiti and the rice. They let thier own food production slip......that 99,000 tons is down from 200,000 ton of 20 year ago. It is the same in other parts of the world where there are food shortages. Often they let thier own food production slide....be it from war, from draught, from mismanagement. The US cannot be blamed for that. But many try to.

From what you have quoted and what you have said, in conjuction with your proven around the forums level of perception,
i can only reach the conclusion that you are playing with me here.

My thread has everything to do with hunger.
The post you quoted was aimed to show that the politicians should be more focused on spending money on programs that can produce solutions and feed the worlds population instead of programs to wage war on them.
It was also aimed as a response to another thread of yesterday's (as i very clearly state in my posts), saying that when we say POLITICS, not ALL of us have the same things in mind. So, this is MY take on politics, all faithfull are well received in this thead.

Yea, I think I am going outside and turn off the irrigation systems on our citrus operations. Seems the world does not apprecaite the effort and costs of doing it.