Connecting Singles^® Forums100% Free Online Dating

All of these might be correct, might be almost correct. I do not know everything and i will never do. I know enough to know how this business works and what really matters. In addition, i appreciate all new information, but it is all besides the point:

I am not trying to make a case of how hard the farmers work nor one about their political structures. But to put what you are saying in my scope, the right question to be answered would be:
"Why doesnt the American Government invest more on agriculture and finding new efficient ways to produce more food of better quality?", instead of spending the people's billions on prefabricated causes?

And if the farmer doesnt like the new, devalued dollar that replaced the once mighty buck, well, that's the work of the same free market dynamics you are defending and that you say made his life easier: Basic international economics will easily tell you that a lower interest rate than inflation will ALWAYS lead to devalued currency. I wonder who was the first one to support the notion that America could be the exception to the rule...
Btw, if it werent for free world trade, the US would be in a real shit whole during this recession, cuz it is the first time in post WWII history that a US recession is coupled by a reduced purchasing power of the average American...
What's more, if the US would effectively shift much of the effort away from the war industry and into food production, exporting these goods with higher and higher demand for food, would also lift the American economy (and the currency) back to where it was (and further).
But this is not to the best interests of some people, no?

And i can grasp what you are infering, Ttom. I know all about Holodomor(s) and how they have been created - sh*t, i even know personally people that survived it...
And am not making a case against free trade and economy; nothing could be further from the true about what i belive in. But i DO think that running wild Capitalism with no control just ends up exploiting people and even costing lives for the benefit of the very few haves. The same ones that control the system and that benefit from it. Maybe the US dont feel it because the pain and suffering are being exported outside your borders, to other countries, but it is there.

I refuse to believe that this is a warliking race, ours; We like peace and prosperity and getting along... How is it that we can get along when put in small groups, or when one on one and then we need wars to solve the problems we have inter-national? Because we are convinced by propaganda that we need them...

am sorry i didnt quote all of your post ttom, but it was too big...

If only it were that simple. You only have to look at the forums here to see that people as individuals don't all want peace, and if there were simple answers, we should be getting close to finding them now after 6000 years of fighting.

Getting involved at enry and intermediate levels in politics is not a very hard thing to do: It requires sacrifices, but still, one can cope and have a very meaningful contribution to the commons.

The problem is when reaching out for the top levels, because the stakes get big enough that everything starts happening on the backround. And if you are of the adamant character sort, if you have novel ideas that can help solve problems for the many (but hurt the interests of the few in the process), then you start to find yourself in isolation... TV wont show you, cuz it is owned by some people... Newspapers wont publish you, because those people will remove their fundings and ads...
Then peer pressure starts within the party:
"Hey, if you want to go MP on next elections, you should get along with him, you should do that, close your eyes on the other etc"
If you find enough strength to resist all this, then the secret commissions begin to form, the ones you know nothing about but are discussing and improvising new ways to incapacitate you each day.
See, people are payed to do this, intelligent people. And no one is going to pay you to stick with your ideas and try to press forward, especially if they are ones to hurt the pocket of the ruling order, the ones that have been providing the funding for all of the political system since the beggining.

All in all, unless the majority of the rest of us change, there is no way a politician that thinks and acts how we want him will rise to the job. The reason is simple and circular:
The same character traits that will make this politician good to our peaceloving and humanitarian standards, are going to keep him out of the higher levels of politics. either by force or by personal choice; because, for example, a man with those characteristics, might choose to spend his time with his family, instead of fighting a losing cause...

Hi gingerd

But i believe that we ARE close to finding them.
For sure, it not simple and easy, and we cannot get there tomorrow or next year or even next decade. But i believe that we are moving on the right track.

What i am arguing about here is that mankind has the potential to reach that level and it is what we should be striving to achieve; also what should occupy our minds and efforts, especially under each election process.

Bravo Solitare,
that is in essense a big part of what we are discussing here:
How we, the people, have allowed for things to deteriorate to that level through our stubborn ignorance of how things work on the big scale.

cutypie?

ok, we know you are an angel (not even in disguise ), but is there something else you would like to share with us?

REPTILIANS...................watch them all duck for cover......

By "stubborn ignorance" do you mean the fear to face reality.
Some very intelligent people don't or can't see what's right in front of their faces. I get the feeling that it's simply because if they admit there's a problem, then they might have to do something about it, and that can, understandably, be rather frightening considering the magnitude.

Yes leave the laymen to fight it. And it wont be words??

The big boys will slip away to there underground .........Comforts .........

And some intelligent people are seriously tired (and out-numbered) by the ignorant, the greedy (same thing) and the down right unscrupulous (also same thing).....

REPTILIANS!!
I had an excellent friend who really believed in these guys

David Ike.........deemed crazy.........sports news reporter in U.K.?

Well I have a book to write someday on them.
I have survived through a lot of the games they play.
But will be in another LIFE.

yes, that's what i was refering to Kid.

Playing with words is easier for intelligent people. Words are powerfull, they will let you justify a lot of things to yourself and others if you choose them wisely.
It is also easy to selectively record and portray facts and numbers about help here and exports there. That makes you feel good.
But all these do not take reality away: People are going to starve because of how the controllers have handled the economics of the the world food production.
It is like the prisoners dilema Kid: When facing the dilema One by one, people (or businesses, or banks/investors or Multinationals - you can apply the analogy you want here) always choose to sell off others in order to cut a better deal for themselves, because if they dont, someone else will do it and they will be the ones to be screwd. They have done it many times but they are running out of options now and they turned to food, because if they do not do it, someone else will.
It's the social dilema that is caused by the system, and our stubborn ignorance.

We could potentially be living in a much much better world, we got the technology to get rid of many diseases and hunger. As Patrick said in one of his posts here, just thinking about the potentials makes the political disputes we get into seem obsolete, parochial.

It is a state of mind, methinks.

hhmmmm

--------------------

Tech POWER????????????? needed............
pull the plugs..........
NO POWER.............
phones comps???????????

All over rover............

keep going Breezee,

a breeze is never enough, but its a damn good start

For us LAYMEN....simpletons........