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Charming fellow...

I wouldnt go as far as Icke, i do not like conspiracy theories too much.

But i do certainly believe that there is a ruling class and a ruled class in this world. And what the ruled class knows is what it chooses to believe in...

Thanks Solitare, and Malthus was connected to the Eugenicists

this article may be of interest to some..... ;

http://www.thecornerhouse.org.uk/item.shtml?x=51976

Yes all lives ...each to their own..
Ive had some very intuative things happen?
Yes and I do ???????question it........
Just on another level.
Spiritual .................
Just reading all these words facts........I read all......
But to the average mortal.........Joe Blow....................
Gets one where????
Look to ? through the garbage.....
All things will change.

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But this is not to the best interests of some people, no?


Maybe the best interest of the American people is staying alive in a world with coming Iranian nuclear program and possible nuclear weapons?

And it not just that threat. Russia and Brazil announced a joint effort to build a high tech stealth aircraft. America threats are not just Islamic
terrorist or Islamic countries. Our commitment to NATO, SEATO, South Korea, and yes Iraq and Afghanistan require major military spending.

But here is where the world is really off base. You associate that our economy cannot support such spending. Wish to know what our DoD budget percentage to our GNP is? Get ready for a shocker...........4%

We are supporting two wars and global war on terrorism on 4% of our GNP. And doing upgrades to our military systems. Yet Europe devalues the dollar. And tags along with Chavez and Aheranjada on thier request in 2006 to do so.

If we were prefabricated causes......you tell me what the pic of that Isreali airstruck Syrian facility was? Not a secret nuclear reactor that
Syria had not disclosed to the IEAI? Yet when the US goes public with the info on it. Syria acts like a innocent victim and IEAI condem the US for not releasing the info to it. That is exactly what it was......maybe prefabricated in North Korea....but still would have made nuclear materials for nuclear devices.

Honestly......if European's had a giger counter with clicks going off like a DJ back spinning a record.....and the material came from Iran or Syria.......it would be safe as sand. You simply don't believe us on this stuff.that wmds were there...that Sadam had relations with AlQeada...that Iran has them today......that Iran can build a device ...even though we have thier North Korean blue prints for it.

You take C.Powell UN statements on wmds and say that is the way the world is.....that Iran or Syria will play by 2002 rules. There are no
rule here. This stuff is constant flux and change. When you see the bombed out intereior of a reactor in Syria.....why is it so hard to beleive that it really was a reactor? Oh the US is trying to decieve us.
They tried in the past.

Well maybe Bashan and Aheranjada are trying to decieve you? Ever think of that? Europe has lived for many year under the protective covering of US Nuclear weapons......during the cold war.....we never struck at any target inside Europe. Why wouildwe change this positive relationship of mutual protection....by making fabricated stories?

I know...just to get you into Iraq. Well you should have said even before C. Powell made his UN presentation......because of those 50 year protecting your countries againstRussian invasion.....anyplace the
US wants to take this....is fine with us.

But don't believe us. Don't beleive photos on Syrian reactors, Don't beleive the blue prints on Iran nucs. Don't beleive the 26 nuclear facilities in Iran today. Don't believe the new Iranian mid range missile, the Fjair-7. Don't believe Iran has 500 Taliban and Alqeada inside it, including binLaden eldest son. Europe was lied to by the American one time, so don't believe.

The American people believe those things and more. So I suspect that
4% will continue to go DoD and the military.

Tom.I don't know if you honestly believe this stuff when you write it.

For a start you better consider the UK Threat then as we use and pilot stealth aircraft here, not to mention UAV's which are the way forward.I hate to point out the obvious but aircraft are made by multiple nations around the world, as Boeing will be very happy to confirm to you.Theres also a few countries with tactical nuclear weapons.Your while rational doesnt make sense.

Colins Powell's photos have improved since the last time have they.Those mobile biological warfare vehicles were fire tracks and they otated between multiple facilities! The artists renditions of the insides were renditions as they weren't actually even made, they just drew what you would need and put on a board!

You know what an NRO satellites resolution is, or a DOD, or the NSA, CIA,DIA, Airforce or Navy is for that matter in an elliptical orbit? And thats just your countries, we were all looking down for them, nobody found a thing as the weapons inspectors blew them up.And once you have a pic then it used to go to a professional analyst.Where does that work now go Tom? I know, but do you? And its not the military nor an established Intelligence agency, its a toothless one, run inside the White house.

The surprise part is they can photograph your face, and track you, no surprise there, but what satellites dont do is lie, they show an image and it is what it is!! Now if one American Intel agency had one good photo they would be showing it, and not like the rubbish ones we saw of fire trucks in Iraq.

I hate to tell you but not so long ago the Taliban were guests of the government in Washington, to agree a pipeline through Afghanistan to the coast to get oil and gas out of the region.All was well, till it went slightly ary and they though they would have bugger all chance of doing this pipeline.

Also its interesting when you look who was on the payroll of this oil company who now occupy the positions of power in the Afghanistan Government.I wonder why the Taliban went mental?

Chemical weapons your clearly not an expert on either, try reading the Chief American weapons inspector's comments in his book, and hes happy to speak openly that he is never fully quoted.He says "we found what they had and blew it up, and all of the infrastructure".Whats left has a shelf life and although its not going to be pleasant to drink its not a threat to anyone".

Then theres a man who served his country on diplomatic service at the very highest level, he was an Ambassador.This man was asked to go to an African country as it was believed Iraq was trying to acquire nuclear materials from them.Now he knew the powers that be and jumped on the next flight and met everyone at the other end, he knew them!

Now this highly regarded man went through the matter with the government and was shown the gaping holes that proved the documents werent genuine.Bureaucracy there is quite a thing, everything needs to be signed off and have government stamps and signatures, everything, so theres a massive paper trail.

Guess what, no stamps were present, and the guy who signed the document was genuine, but he hadnt even worked there in the last 5 years! The diplomat dutyfully came back and wrote his report saying it was all bogus and here were they specifics why it not only want tue but why it couldnt be true!!

Part 2.

He sent his report in a year before any attack on Iraq, to the Vice Presidents office if i remember correctly and never heard a thing about it, until they were looking for justification to go into Iraq.

This man was a real servant to his country, and his wife was too, and what did they do, leak she worked for the CIA undermining years of work, foriegn intelligence sources and putting agents lives in mortal real danger.

These are the real people do do dangerous work without the correct respect and thanks for their efforts.They also because of their situation dont speak about operation or methods when they retire, as people generally die if they do.

Who manurfactured these documents? Someone did? Who told Powell that the fire trucks were chemical biological warfare labs? What about the long range missile cabability that said we in Europe could be attacked within 45 minutes! What a joke, they had artillery shells that could be topped into the munitions and then fired?

How far does an artilley shell fire? Can you find me one that fires a projectile from say Basra to London?And their unguided without a dispersal mechanism.In other words bloody useless.

I hate to point out something else that you probably are anaware of.The Marine Corp obtains a blueprint of every large building that they can technically use for an assault plan if they need to, there easy to get but somehow i doubt the Syrian Intelligence Service or the Iranians wither will post them restricted blueprints.

I hate to point out the even more bloody obvious but The Bin Ladin family is large and deals with greats American business families, and has forged trading links with No other than the Bush Family amongst others.Remember all the flights being grounded after 9/11??? Remember which family got on an aircraft and left the country? I recall very well, maybe you think the National Guard should have shot them down???

Send your comments to The Bin Ladin company and i guess they will get the respect they deserve, straight in the bin.

Not every Iraqi is a terrorist, and the 9/11 people were mostly Saudi's and there not all terrorists either.I should bloody hope not as the deal for bases and military protection in return for oil would have been a total waste of time.I remember the deal from the old king made special mention that America did everything in its power to bring peace to the middle east.Another broken promise.

What makes me truly sick though is you have the gawl to come on here and say you prevented us from all being invaded!!! Thats total and complete and utter garbage.

Many brave people on all sides died during WW2 to basically fight facism/Naziism and to claim you helped us all out and we should be grateful for you is pretty disgusting.

You clearly just mistake regurgitating the White House Press offices Press releases feel like a National requirement for every American, and sod us all in Europe anyway.

Not only do you forget that Stalin stopped in Berlin when the army could have easily kept going and crushed all of us right there and then.

I dont remember them doing that, and 20 millions of them died during WW2 in comparison to how many Americans? People are just people, worldwide, we all want to get on with our lives without having garbage like you trot out.

Part 3

If you really believe theres evidence write to Condi Rice, and i am sure she will be your pen friend.Your probably one of about 30 people stateside how will belive any type of crap they come up with by the sounds of it? Christ do you only watch "Fox News"?

Never make the mistake that other people of the world who fought for their liberty and actually paid for it in sterling(yes you loaned us the money, like American Banks funded the Nazi party).

There's a common theme in some American's belief system that they believe their government and the government is almost making it, well to allege your not a patriot if you dont believe what they say, which you've bought hook line and sinker.

Personally ill believe the intelligence community, they said no weapons, no threat, no capability.No evidence, no smoking gun just an alledged mushroom cloud when its all going to be too late.Those people should frankly go to prison in my opinion, and the family of every deceased soldier and civilian contractor should take a class action against then for damages and a criminal conviction.

Write to Mr Tennant, then look at his face sitting behind Powell and you can see he doesnt want to be there, as what they spilled out to everyone wasnt what every intelligence service said.

You clealy dont know how classified budgets work either, their not included and aren't subject to oversight on security grounds, and neither are slush funds for covert action detailed.

Theres so many holes i could type for a week but i am so offended i wont.If your so flippant about the use of military action get your gun and do a Halo Jump with the first Delta and Seal Team and you can help hold someone guts and craniel cap on while their life pisses away in your hands.

Military action should be a last resort not a first strike option on dodgy intelligence, or far more important selectively quoted, sporadic and inconclusive as it was described in Iraq.

I cant even be bother to correct the typos i am so pissed off.Sell your business if its that important and buy a fuel air bomb, but have the guts and reason to use it not on some lying sods word that is proven by our own countrymen, not to be worth the paper it will be written on.

I'm bright enough to realise and not judge all Americans spout this type of crap but this time you've gone too far.

Robbie,

First off sorry to cause all the typos.

Most everything you discuss there is 2002 and prior. I will get back and address it.

A lot has changed since 2002.

You have seen our Intell pics on the facility of the Isreali airstrike, yes?

Then two simple questions. Is it a nuclear reactor?

If it is, why did the Syrians not declared it to the IEAI?

And yes the Russia & Brazil announced a to build a next generation
stealth aircraft. They announced it yesterday. The $ figure is even more than our present F-22 Freedom Fighter Program.

The rest posted....on the Iranian nuclear facilities, the Iranian FJair-7
it all new stuff since 2002. Rob.

This is very adapting and fluid and numerous situations that one has with National Security issues and threats.

What I am asking here. Is peek out and see the world today some in 2008? It is not the same place as in 2002.

I have seen many pics of nuclear reactors, Robbie. Those intel photos are of a rusted out nuclear reactor core. The satellite imagery shows it from above located in Syria. In my opinion. But I will let you form your own. What more to you want? Like I said with the giger counter joke.....because I have the feeling somehow this is going to come back to Iraqi WMDs of 2002. But wrong country and wrong year.

Source on the Russian/Brazilian fighter:
http://www.network54.com/forum/211833/Thread/1208821431/Last-1208910

because I have the feeling somehow this is going to come back to Iraqi WMDs of 2002. But wrong country and wrong year.



Still the same agenda.

Different intel and different situation. Does GWB have an agenda?
What President does not? But maybe some of the guys on the other side have an agenda as well.

What this intel says and reactions to it say:

First, the Isreali strike was a righeous strike.
Secondly, North Korea is not living up to its side of the 6 party agreements.
Third, Syria is not giving the IEAI full cooperation.
Fourth, WMDs are still an issue in the middle east.
Fifth The IAEI is like Hanz Bliz WMD inspection group.
They come from the same office in the UN.....weapon inspections.
One does chemical and biologics and the other nuclear.
They are picking sides with such a response to this intel on a secret Syrian reactor. That can kill thier credibility down the road with nuclear inspections of Iran.

Only no. 4 really fits into a GWB's agenda. The rest are not good for the world and the good guys in general.

In little less than 10 month GWB is going to be gone. These 2008 situations and developements will still be here. Yes? Don't keep fading back to 2002 on us. We need you here and now in 2008 and 2009.
No matter what your politics are. Syrian Nucs were not a good thing.
Nor are Iranian.

the good guys


Who determines who the good guys are TTom?

Ever stop to think maybe Isreal isn't one of the "good guys"?

Maybe some of those countries over there want nuclear reactors to generate electricity! Isn't that what a nuclear reactor does?

Of course it's better to keep them in the stone age, easier to manipulate and control that way.

There is a ton of politics to this. Dem on one side and Rep on the other. I don't know all the aspects of it. Could the Rep use the report to discredit him? Yes, I guess. Maybe the report was
misunderstood....it was first in the diplomatic circles here......nuclear materials is a language all its own. Yes, I guess so. Was it handled right? No. Did C. Powell get the info on it? I don't know. He should have he was Sect of State then.

Of course, if you live in the stone age, there's not much need for electricity.

OK........follow this for a moment. Have any idea how many nuclear materials production facilities it took the US to make the first atomic bombs? ........................................ans..........................................3
Know how many Iran has to day?............ans.............................21

Russia will give Iran all the nuclear fuel rods it needs for its reactors. Russia will replace them, upgrade them, account them.

Iran still needs 21 nuclear processing facilities. And wants more.

There is a by product in certian kinds of nuclear reactor operations. In a gas that helps in the making of enriched isotopes. So it not just juice that Iran get with with reactors. It also get this gas.

My very simple guestion is this. If you can get free fuel rods for life for your reactors, why insist on nuclear material processing facilities? The only other uses for thier materials for weapons and for some medical uses.

You don't need 21 processing facilities for medical uses. Maybe one/two.

As for keeping them in the stoneage. Well that is not our intent. I think that you know that. Also is not our intent to see NYC in a cloud.

Finally Isreal. They make a rigtheous strike on a secret nuclear facility in Syria. And the world condems them. They place walls around their country to keep out suicide bombers. The world condems them. They leave GAZA, and rockets still come. They act in defense and the world still condems them. They have 1000s of rocket come in from Lebanon and act in defense and the world condems them.

When does the world condem Hezbollah, Hamas, and Syria? And should it not do exactly that?

Honest story of Isreal......after WWII.....Isreal sponosored a special hit team to back into Germany, find former Nazi and kill them. It was the start of the Mossad. I know Isreal history here. I think what Isreal did then was wrong.....they could have just as easily made civilian criminal charges against them. I don't defend Isreal because simply it is Isreal. I see that what Hezbollah and Hamas and others do here....is no better then what Isreal did post WWII. It was wrong then and is wrong today.

Nice spin...prove it in the crystal clear....you are so full of shit....ever been to northern California?

[quote=RobbieM]Part 2.

Robbie, I going to go main points with you and not waste much more time.

Ireland contribution to WWII was 70,000 men that came across to fight with the British.

The US fielded armies in both the Pacific theatre and European theatre that numbers into the millions. The US revamped it entire industry for war time production. And the entire country went on rationing of most major commodies during the war.

Fill me in on Ireland contribution to the WWII war effort?

Post WWII The United States was in Germany thru out the cold war.

During this time, Ireland was sending guys to Libya for terrorst training in the IRA.

Tell me how the Kurds in Northern Iraq died from Chemical Ally?
Chemical artillery shells and chemical bombs. You have seen the pics...kids,elderly, women, babies.......Think that Chemical Ally got out there and rubbbed thier faces in it? Did it by hand?

BinLaden family is big and powerful. Also most of them has disavowed
binLaden prior to 9/11. The planes out of the US post 9/11 was for their safety........

Think that the Russian were not going to come further into Europe Robbie? They may have never made to good old Ireland. I do agree.
But continental Europe was well with in their range.

Well yes many peole did die in WWII. Many more would have if the US had done what Ireland did. All we really had to was fight Japan, Robbie post Pearl Harbor....we did not need to help in Europe at all.
But we agree to make Europe the main theatre of operations, Robbie.
To give it the resources and manpower first over the Pacific theatre.

I don't read White House press. Robbie.

Stalin could have kept going. But I suspect Patin and a few others would have stopped him before Ireland was threatened.

I am going to do your next one, Robbie. But after that we are finished.
I will not post with you. Not worth the effort.

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I don't know Condi Rice. Robbie. I have had past coorespondance with
C. Powell. That I will not discuss here.

So the Irish are the world librators, Robbie? Fight for justice and freedom? Come on now. Last time they left Ireland was the potatoe famine and WWI. I getting to understand why the Brits did not like you for such a long time.

Since you seem to be so high in Justice for criminal acts. How about some for the AlQeada type is Iraq that run torture houses for Iraqi?
Got any Irish justice for them?

Maybe Mr. Tennet had some bad oysters for lunch that day. But sharp pick up Robbie....I caught it to. But how do you tell? Bad Oysters ? Bad material? You got to be some kind of Irish seer to know.

I have been around death Robbie. It is part of life. Get right with the Lord.......he will help out your anger problem.

First miltiary strike.......well would you consider 9/11 a military strike?
A military target was hit...the Pentagon. But as a recent Presidential candidate said.....cutting the throats of stewardess is not very honourable....or military. But that is what they did, Robbie. Cut the throats of the stews so they could get entry to the cockpits.

We are finished. Have a good life.

Spin? Which part of Sproadic,patchy and selective and unqualified do you not get when an Intelligence Agency makes is is basically saying its guessing and the evidence is so weak that "They" felt it was unreliable.They the Agencies said hang on here this is all there is, we have no proof.

When your Government wont even listen to its own Intel agencies then even they have to scratch their heads.

Lots of them contributed to the following documentary, which basically has pretty much shows how the evidence of the agencies and individuals concerned was selectively used and miss quoted.

Before you talk about something its generally a good idea to be qualified, these people certainly are. in the documentary.I suggest you watch it and then you'll see i am not full of it as you say.

Then again after your thread the other day broadcasting what your activities were with the lady who would be so impressed to find her story with you on the web shows your judgement is about as focused, well as a Future King Of England dressing up in a Nazi uniform and being photographed doing the Nazi salute.

Smooth move, smooth as slamming your nuts in a draw.

Heres the link for the documetary and then you can decide if those people like Stansfield Turner, CIA analysts, NSA people,Weapons inspectors and of course the gentleman who had his wife exposed as an agent of the CIA.

Looks a lot different when they explain their stories and their all livid, and i dont blame them.

Here's the link http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=uncovered+the+whole+truth+about+the+iraq+war&sitesearch=

Stressfress you dont even know me or what i used to do for a career, so your talkng out your backside.And yes i have been to the States a lot! And like Americans but its about time a lot of you who are a little blinkered shall we say actually inform themselves about something before grasping the flag and thinking they have to defend their government.

Watch the documentary and see if you learn anything that the media didn't pass along.And remember those people passed the information along as they were working for the government and it was "their" intelligence that was selectively quoted.

The proofs there all you have to do is watch what the people said and it will become a lot more clear.

Maybe you think i am a liberal communist or something? Try watching the evidence and the analysts say there is no evidence!

There is crystal clear for you but i bet you dont watch the documentary so you wont believe it anyway.



Prove me wrong watch it and come back and say if its anything with a political slant either, because theres no slant to it either.

Theres also the theme of crying wolf which is why people may not believe any intelligence led action from this point on.Normally evidence leads to a conclusion after an assessment, clearly on this occasion the conclusion was already made and they tried to make the intelligence fit.

Don't take my word for it, watch the documentary and then come back.

Tom,

What's with all the business about Ireland? I agree with you about the terrorists, but their not supplied by the state as representing their country.

Pretty much i think you must think i am Irish and it isnt sensile to compare one countries efforts compared to another? So i guess this attention to detail re me being Irish and we didnt do anything in the war just goes to show how lackadaisical you have been with the facts, or you just assumed?

I think you have confused me with an Irish gent on the website, and frankly what Ireland contributed to any war has nothing to do with lying to the public and misquoting intelligence now does it.Stick to the facts if you can.

I'm not Irish for the record, I've been there and Governments commit troops to war, though i know plenty of them have fought and died in The British Army in countless campaigns.

I've seen the pictures of people killed by nerve agent, and i dont judge an entire country on the basis of a few individual who are terrorists.Their terrorists, individuals who are not approved by their nation state.That said had Irish Americans not given monetary assistance then The British Soldiers who were serving there wouldn't have died as much and innocent people wouldnt have been killed in a tit for tat basis for years.Terrorists need training and funding and i somehow doubt the British or Irish government contributed.

Thankfully now sense has prevailed and The IRA after 9/11 found they would get no support for terrorism any longer and the criminal and lunatic element in Ireland is now just that, organised crime.Hopefully the people of Ireland will sit down and work out if they want to Unite too.Personally i hope they do, makes sense to me and being part Celtic i am aware of the history of the region but i cant claim to be an expert.

Sadly the British Army made mistakes there, as it did in Malasia, but not every Brit is a Irish Hating biggot who wanted to oppress and occupy the country as the IRA would have led you believe.A night out in london will pretty much prove nobody cares what religion you are when you meet for a drink and a laugh, and some of the old firm abuse on the football fields does make me nervous.

Had the passengers attacked the terrorists ealier they might have stood a chance, but i do feel sorry for them.It's not in peoples nature to want to attack people on plane.

Security doors on aircraft are there for a reason, to prevent entry, and protect the aircrew and secure the comms.

I wont even go into Patton as a military leader, as you said there really is no point.

Have a great life, watch the documentary and you might learn something.Oh and don't be too hard on Little Ireland, there nice people though the cost of living is expensive there now.Mind you theres a kebab shop in Dublin that has staff in that look like Serbian war criminals.You'll know the place if you eat in there.

Next time you converse with Colin Powell say hi for me, good general and i am buggered what made him make that presentation in the way he did? Sadly for me his political career has made me loose respect for the man unless he was told to do so.That is a matter for him and it did not serve his country or intelligence community in my opinion, in fact it did a massive disservice to both and has made many people loose faith in Intelligence whether right or wrong as a basis for action.That is unforgivable considering the expense and risk that some go to get it.

Maybe one day he will spill the beans, maybe but i doubt it.

Dont expect people to take kindly to saying you did us all a favour as trust me you will piss everyone off.We hear the we won the war attitude a lot from some people on your side of the pond.Shame as the Russians took an absolute slaughtering and the Americans tend to forget it.

Spout that retoric and you can expect people from all over europe to be thinking the same.I'm surprised nobody else has written they were offended.

Robbie, I'm guessing it's hard for some to admit to the truth. I might imply they were wrong.
I remember when the Iraq war started and couldn't figure out what the hell they were doing. I did believe some of the reports that were publicised in the media but could clearly see even then how wrong it was to invade Iraq.
I'm so glad that the Canadian government said NO when asked to join them in the invasion. I can still remember all the hatred spewed against Canada. Kept me from visiting for a couple of years.