Worldwide Famine & Starvation

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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
At the end of the laying period, the hens are flung from the battery to the transport cages by their wings, legs, head, feet, or whatever is grabbed. Many bones are broken. Chicken "stuffers" are paid for speed, not gentleness. Half-naked from feather loss and terrorized by a lifetime of abuse, hens in transit embody a state of fear so severe that many are paralyzed by the time they reach the slaughterhouse. At slaughter the hens are a mass of broken bones, oozing abscesses, bright red bruises, and internal hemorrhaging making them fit only for shredding into products that hide the true state of their flesh and their lives, such as chicken soups and pies, school lunches and other food programs developed by the egg industry to dump dead laying hens onto consumers in diced up form.

To date, there are no federal welfare laws regulating poultry raising, transport, or slaughter in the United States. The U.S. egg industry opposes humane slaughter legislation for poultry, claiming that laying fowl cannot be economically rendered insensible to pain prior to having their throats cut or being decapitated. There is no reason to assume the industry will reform of its own accord. While working to improve the conditions under which chickens are raised, transported, and killed in current society, consumers should boycott battery eggs and discover the variety of egg-free alternatives in cooking and dining.

copied from allcreatures.org



I wouldn't worry about the world. Just the world of humans. If we piss off mom, she will spank us with more earthquakes, freakish weather, and various other "natural" disasters, which are, in reality, unnatural in origin. Everything we do has consequence, and our Karmic tab is going to be called, really soon.
riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
trish123: Theres stuff in modern chickens which renders then virtually unrecognisable from the ones we used to know - apart from the drugs theyre fed, they are mostly raised never seeing daylight or pecking at a grub on the ground - sorry but Im gonna have to resort to copy n paste here...;

The modern hen laying eggs for human consumption is far removed from the Burmese jungle fowl from whom she derives and the active farmyard fowl of recent memory. Rather, she is an anxious, frustrated, fear-ridden bird forced to spend 10 to 12 months squeezed inside a small wire cage with three to eight or nine other tormented hens amid tiers of identical cages in gloomy sheds holding 50,000 to 125,000 debeaked, terrified, bewildered birds. By nature an energetic forager, she should be ranging by day, perching at night, and enjoying cleansing dust baths with her flock mates--a need so strong that she pathetically executes "vacuum" dust bathing on the wire floor of her cage.

Caged for life without exercise while constantly drained of calcium to form egg shells, battery hens develop the severe osteoporosis of intensive confinement know as caged layer fatigue. Calcium depleted, millions of hens become paralyzed and die of hunger and thirst inches from their food and water.
In the 20th century, the combined genetic, management, and chemical manipulations of the small Leghorn hen have produced a bird capable of laying an abnormal number of large eggs--250 a year in contrast to the one or two clutches of about a dozen per clutch laid by her wild relatives. The laying of an egg has been degraded by the battery system to a squalid discharge so humiliating that ethologist Konrad Lorenz compared it to humans forced to defecate in each others' presence. Researchers have described the futile efforts of caged hens to build nests and their frantic efforts to escape the cage by jumping at the bars right up to the laying of the egg. Battery hens suffer from the reproductive maladies that afflict female birds deprived of exercise: masses and bits of eggs clog their oviducts which become inflamed and paralyzed; eggs are formed that are too big to be laid; uteruses "prolapse," pushing through the vagina of small birds forced to strain day after day to expel huge eggs. The battery cage has created an ugly new disease of laying hens called fatty liver hemorrhagic syndrome, characterized by an enlarged, fat, friable liver covered with blood clots, and pale combs and wattles covered with dandruff. In recent decades, hens' oviducts have become infested with salmonellae bacteria that enter the forming egg causing food poisoning in consumers. Disease and suffering are innate features of the battery system in which the individual hen is obscured by gloom and thousands of other hens in an environment deliberately designed to discourage perception, labor, and care.


frustrated This emoticon befits this desription !! very mad

I was arguing with a friend a few months back over veg and nonveg ... in short he said ' eggs ' in todays times are vegetarian and its another " industy " or rather " farming "

I was furious that he called it farming and an industry. I was trying to explain that making a hen pathetically multiplicatedly perform what is a natural process i.e. egg laying is going to be tormenting on the bird etc. He vehemently disagreed.......

Now i know the details ... Thanks Trish ...

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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Its heartbreaking isnt it Riya? and there are similarities with other animals raised for consumption too. I only buy free range eggs nowadays.

Theres a man from a nearby farm comes round when they start laying -and they are delicious.

A similar problem with fish too - the oceans are polluted with all sorts of chemicals and I believe mercury too......... many fish are being born hermaphrodite as well, its a frightening picture in reality - and we dont hear much about any of it in the news frustrated
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Sorry for going off track HL sad flower wave
riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
trish123: Its heartbreaking isnt it Riya? and there are similarities with other animals raised for consumption too. I only buy free range eggs nowadays.

Theres a man from a nearby farm comes round when they start laying -and they are delicious.

A similar problem with fish too - the oceans are polluted with all sorts of chemicals and I believe mercury too......... many fish are being born hermaphrodite as well, its a frightening picture in reality - and we dont hear much about any of it in the news


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So true and real irritating as well as cruel.sigh

I am not saying people turn all veggie but the extents to which we are going for " our this and our that " in simple words or say " our luxury " which then happens to be someone else's lottery venture ... the price is being paid by a disturbed eco. balance which might take ages to settle down .... if it ever does.

Sorry for the little hijack healthy living ...hug
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
This is just the food side Riya, when we get down to needless materialism my blood gets to boiling point - buying plastics I try to keep to a minimum, same with packaging (I dont have a car and watch people driving theirs rather than take a 5 min walk to a shop or a friends house) things are now made in disposable whole units and not many are mendable - its a polluted disposable society - we owe ourselves and our childrens, childrens children so much better.......... very mad

and then theres the way whole groups of people are marginalised and we stand by while they starve to death frustrated
trish123: This is just the food side Riya, when we get down to needless materialism my blood gets to boiling point - buying plastics I try to keep to a minimum, same with packaging (I dont have a car and watch people driving theirs rather than take a 5 min walk to a shop or a friends house) things are now made in disposable whole units and not many are mendable - its a polluted disposable society - we owe ourselves and our childrens, childrens children so much better..........

and then theres the way whole groups of people are marginalised and we stand by while they starve to death


Long-term thinking has never been one of humanity's strong points. If we were to take a long term approach to industry, things would be a lot different. I hate to say it, but the roots are in religion. Why care about the fate of the world if the world is going to end anyway?

Must be alot of pissed-off people out there who thought 2000 was the end of the world. Imagine their disgust when they woke up in the 21st century and STILL had to pay their visa bill...



kidatheart Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Galactic_bodhi: Long-term thinking has never been one of humanity's strong points. If we were to take a long term approach to industry, things would be a lot different. I hate to say it, but the roots are in religion. Why care about the fate of the world if the world is going to end anyway?

Must be alot of pissed-off people out there who thought 2000 was the end of the world. Imagine their disgust when they woke up in the 21st century and STILL had to pay their visa bill...



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riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
trish123: This is just the food side Riya, when we get down to needless materialism my blood gets to boiling point - buying plastics I try to keep to a minimum, same with packaging (I dont have a car and watch people driving theirs rather than take a 5 min walk to a shop or a friends house) things are now made in disposable whole units and not many are mendable - its a polluted disposable society - we owe ourselves and our childrens, childrens children so much better..........

and then theres the way whole groups of people are marginalised and we stand by while they starve to death


comfort hug time for reflection for our race in general ...
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Galactic_bodhi: Long-term thinking has never been one of humanity's strong points. If we were to take a long term approach to industry, things would be a lot different. I hate to say it, but the roots are in religion. Why care about the fate of the world if the world is going to end anyway?

Must be alot of pissed-off people out there who thought 2000 was the end of the world. Imagine their disgust when they woke up in the 21st century and STILL had to pay their visa bill...


Did you catch the 'childrens, childrens children' ref T? - thought of you when I was writing it grin


There have been end of times prophesies for thousands of yrs and none of em have come true yet - thankfully laugh



shipoker55 St. Petersburg, Florida USA
professor" .....Let 'em eat cake!"









Just Kidding....back off!!wave
Oh yes, I caught the reference.

As to end of days prophecies, the next hurdle we have is the end of the Mayan calender, in 2012. Everyone's all a twitter about that one, but they never stop to think, the Mayan calender is a CIRCLE!D'oh! mumbling
RobbieM Hertford, Hertfordshire, England UK
Hiya.

Did yo know what else Monsanto is famous for? It isnt over pricing.... "Agent Orange".

So their pretty good when it comes technology for profit.

Far better to make something else, and have food the ways its supposed to be, NON GM.

I don't and wont touch that stuff with a bargepole.

"You are what you eat" and i dont want to grow up into a 10 foot three legged chicken that barks and twitches.I've got enough problemslaugh
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Theres a good petition running against Monsanto at the Organic Consumers Association website - worth a look thumbs up

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm

Theres a lot of info there about Monsantos many atrocities around the world too... we dont have to put up with these people if we get together wherever possible and it seems the above petition is a good way to lend an international hand handshake


Thanks HL - would never have found this without yr bringing it to our attention conversing thumbs up daisy
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Galactic_bodhi: Oh yes, I caught the reference.

As to end of days prophecies, the next hurdle we have is the end of the Mayan calender, in 2012. Everyone's all a twitter about that one, but they never stop to think, the Mayan calender is a CIRCLE!


I have tried telling folks that too T but they dont want to listen, just in case grin its neither an ending nor a beginning, simply a moving on yay



joanie04984 North Woods, Maine USA
shipoker55: " .....Let 'em eat cake!"
Just Kidding....back off!!


My chickens want CAKE!!!

Everyone send them some laugh sticking out tongue
HealthyLiving Sulphur, Oklahoma USA
trish123: Sorry for going off track HL


No appology necessarry Trish!!! I learned so much about the chickens and I have been taught some of this and we are not supposed to eat dairy products, but I do eat free range eggs, raw milk and white cheeses. I try to stay vegan, but I do eat venison and some meats from the nearby farmers, whom I know only feed their cattle organic and no antibotics. I am so happy that you shared this info with us here. Most do not think about this when they go to the grocery store and pick up the packaged bird and the carton of eggs. We should not support the industry at all! Buy from your local farmers. A thread should be started on this very subject too!

I do not have time to comment on all of the posts made here so far, but my hat is off to all of you for commenting positively and keeping it interesting without any knock down drag out fights!!! This is a subject which concerns us all. Keep up the good work with the comments, everyone. Very good discussions going on here!!! Thanks to you ALL!bouquet of flowers handshake hug smitten
solitare Munchen, Bayern Germany
Galactic_bodhi: Hell, for all we know it could cause "Mad Human Disease"...


Guess what? It has already been found that the 'Mad Cow Disease' can be passed unto people after several became very ill just after a huge burn of diseased cow carcasses in England. During the burning, spores of the diseased matter went into the air and eventually was breathed in by some people...weeks later, there indeed were 'Mad Human Disease' cases, only it might be more technically correct to call it "Mad Human-Cow Disease". Has a better ring to it than 'Mad Cow-Human Disease'...



kurzita Xaghra, Gozo Malta
Interesting thread this.

In the EU this argument has been raised over and over again, and in deffect there is strong resistance to genetically engineered crops becoming the norm in EU countries.

There is a strong drive for natural, local food production rather then imported from elsewere. No only does this provide fresher, healthier and better stuff to eat, but it also cuts down on the ridiculous amount of fuel needed to transport stuff fform one side of gthe planet to another.

What's the point of having tomatoes brought in from China or Tunisia to mainland europe, when in the southern regions tomatoes grow like wild flowers?

How much sense does it make to ship container loads of potatoe by road down to southern Italy from Northern Europe, where they are simply cleaned and sacked, then shipped again to a factory in Germany, so they can be sliced, processed and packaged to produce crisps?

How crazy is that? Wehter we like it or not, today food industry has to change. It is not sustainable, and the whole sytem will collapse.

Grow local stuff. Buy local stuff. Comsume local stuff. The natural way, the sustainable way. If each of uis tries at least to do that, we may lessen the damage.

As for Monsanto and other such 'Industires' it has to be world bodies such as FAO to endorse moratoriums as to what can be placed ont he international market or not.




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