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Then you should really stay away from dog trainers... Especially the clicker training people, they're particularly dangerous....

Genuine interest here - so what happens next? The lady tells the guy she really likes him, and then? (Unless he's blind, he should have noticed she has a really good time with him?)

Now you're just trying to excite me.


What would be the matter with her telling him what she told all of CS? Then he would know exactly what was on her mind and proceed accordingly.
Very simple! Maybe too simple!

I merely say viva communication, I dont assume to know what the outcome will be, but if a healthy communication then what follows will at least be clear to them both,,,I have no idea who "should" or "should not" be one way or another, I sure hope that they are happy,,if not , then they can walk away/
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personaly I wouldn't say call me if I didn't want you to call.

Second of all I let "her" call me at least 50 % of the time.

Hey, I am pretty sure I typed "clicker training"....



Absolutely - personally at this stage I'd tell him I have a really good time with him and enjoy it all, but that's where I would probably draw a line, no matter how tempting it is to reveal the rest of it. I don't know about the "rules" that our mothers went by or anything, but I do know that men still take a pee standing up, not sitting down (or has that already changed too?), so as far as I'm concerned, some things are just theirs to do. If a man feels too shy, passive, cautious etc etc etc to pursue a woman that he likes, it's like....I don't know, like a hunting dog that lacks the desire and drive to hunt? The roles CAN be easily reversed, but is that what we really want? Having been a secretary, translator, manageress, driver (!) and everything else to a man (except perhaps spoon-feeding), I really find it pathetic and sad - it feels like taking care of a disabled person instead of enjoying the privileges I should have as a lady. And I am realizing now that to a great extent it was caused by my own behaviour - by showing too much incentive and by being too "helpful"... He KNOWS the number - I would not "help" him make that contact.

Go with your heart!!!!!

I hope I haven't read this wrongly but it does sound as though you are making all the effort......??

Personally, I wouldn't continue to call him. I'm not into playing silly battles of wits or mind-games but, quite frankly, if his behaviour denoted a serious lack of interest....

I guess it depends on whether you feel its your raison d'etre to pander to his ego??

Though, I suspect... deep down, you probably know the answer, yeah? Good luck to you, whatever you decide, love....

Do NOT call him...


If he wants to talk to you, he'll call.

If he's thinking about you, he'll call.



If he's not thinking about you, find another guy who is

Very succinct.... couldn't have been put better, IMO.

Actually this thead is very helpful and refreshing, as i myself tend to over-do it sometimes (out of the very best intentions).

probably not but that's easier said than done sometimes

how to distinguish whether if it is about sex or more? Honey, only by trying you get experience and bit of more knowledge.

At a certain age, we are suppose to know how to distiguish...at least we know how to protect our minds, hearts for the worse...

Don't be the one calling him all the time. The anxiety you might is part of the game. Enjoy it as well. Being able to accept that you are not in controle of a situation is also part of being tolerant...

Ever thought about another possibility? :

I am not a cleaning fanatic, I usually use the vacuum cleaner once a week! Than I had an inliving gf, who vaccum cleaned the whole appartment once a day - minimum! Than one day she started screaming at me that I never do it! Why should I cause she was already overdoing it!

Does it make sense when I say that it could be the same situation with this "phony" - business?

Don't overate things which might be very important to you, but maybe he sees it differently!

If that's all u have to complain, you're a lucky person!

I dunno, I guess I just never go into the sex part until I am sure there is more to it than that?

That's how to do it.

Thanks for all your advice. I really appreciate the feedback.

Yeah.Good advice Zarah,but then what would we talk about .?LOL

I think the bottom line is if you feel uneasy and unsure about this situation, there is probably a good reason for it. There are other's out there who are better for you--love is not supposed to hurt. I still say, have fun, relax, be active, enjoy your friends and wait for the guy who really appreciates you and makes you feel good about the relationship--he's out there.