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Hypothetically.....President Obama




voldoll
over the rainbow, Tennessee USA
Posted: May 8, 2008, 10:01 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
Okay, hypothetically, if Obama wins the democratic nomination, and, hypothetically, wins the presidential election, is it possible for race to become a non-issue and that he will be judged on his performance alone? That is, will he ever be just the president, or will he always be the black president?

Looking for thoughtful, considered, fair, and reasonable replies--Thanks

Also, please be respectful of each others' opinions...


In my opinion, if Obama does hypothetically become president, he will undoubtedly make history, but on the other hand, it will possibly create a whole other mess of problems. We will always have the racist who will hate this man. Obama has an eloquent style and can certainly excite and inspire a crowd, but we still do not know much about him. His record in the Senate is public record, but it is also unremarkable. I am afraid America is not ready for a black president. It will only take some backwoods redneck to go into the streets and create a riot situation that will again put the black and white issue back in the forefront. Sure, there has been great progress since Martin Luther King made his famous speech but not enough. As a Southerner, I still see so much racial hatred towards black persons, and it is truly sad that we humans can not see and accept the differences between the races and live in harmony with everyone respecting and having empathy for one another. I just don't believe that now is the time for Obama to be president and yes, I'm sorry to say, he will probably be known as the "black president"

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dragonkeeperz
Port Huron, Michigan USA
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:08 AM CST
It's going to have to be based on his performance as there is no other choice because the present president has messed up so badly.
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:18 AM CST
Lorax68 wrote:
I think this is a silly question. People who vote based on race or gender shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or have children. Or drive.

Obama represents a chance to bring new life to the democratic party by giving hope that change is possible to an entire generation, or two.
He does not accomplish this by being a specific skin color.


I don't think you have understood the question. Who will vote or has voted for whom is not the question, nor is why someone might or might not vote for a candidate, based on any criteria; in fact, the question has nothing to do with voting at all, but, rather, with perception, i.e., public persception of the man who is president and if his race will color that perception in any way, as it seems to, so far, at least from media reports, have colored the perception of him as a candidiate.

Of course, your second paragraph makes much sense.cheers
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:20 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
I don't think you have understood the question. Who will vote or has voted for whom is not the question, nor is why someone might or might not vote for a candidate, based on any criteria; in fact, the question has nothing to do with voting at all, but, rather, with perception, i.e., public persception of the man who is president and if his race will color that perception in any way, as it seems to, so far, at least from media reports, have colored the perception of him as a candidiate.

Of course, your second paragraph makes much sense.


oops--there I go againblushing

Not understood the question
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:21 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
oops--there I go again

Not understood the question


okay, I'm too tired for this--was right the first time: not enough sleep last night
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PeachesandRay
Concord, North Carolina USA
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:25 AM CST
If it was Colin Powell running instead of Obama, I'd vote for him
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:27 AM CST
PeachesandRay wrote:
If it was Colin Powell running instead of Obama, I'd vote for him


yea, he coulda been a contendersigh
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Lillym
Sliema, Majjistral Malta
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:27 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
Okay, hypothetically, if Obama wins the democratic nomination, and, hypothetically, wins the presidential election, is it possible for race to become a non-issue and that he will be judged on his performance alone? That is, will he ever be just the president, or will he always be the black president?

Looking for thoughtful, considered, fair, and reasonable replies--Thanks

Also, please be respectful of each others' opinions...



I don't think so. I don't think he will be just the president. Definately he will be the "black" president. However I do believe he will be judged for his performance and not for the colour of his skin. Depends really.... Of course he has to become president first. JMO..


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StressFree
SF Bay Area/Las Vegas, California USA
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:28 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
Okay, hypothetically, if Obama wins the democratic nomination, and, hypothetically, wins the presidential election, is it possible for race to become a non-issue and that he will be judged on his performance alone? That is, will he ever be just the president, or will he always be the black president?

Looking for thoughtful, considered, fair, and reasonable replies--Thanks

Also, please be respectful of each others' opinions...


Time will tell.
To me he is Obama, the presidential candidate. Why assume he will always be the black president? That thought never even crossed my mind.
If America's economy turns around, and if the war comes to an end somehow in some magical way, then he will go down as one of the best ever......
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:29 AM CST
cristina wrote:
Well, at least Bush was bad and seems less clever than Obama. So, i guess people will have to consider that cleaning Bush's trash will not be an easy task.
So, luckily there was a VERY BAD president before the black one


I just caught this. You win the prize for understatement of the year.


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yoursuperman
Lynchburg, Virginia USA
Posted: May 8, 2008, 11:44 AM CST
Well funny thing is this i was supervisor over 9 years and i hired many black men and women to work in positions as lead men and co ops. Bu t my problem was very unique that most of black people did not like to work under their own race, which lead to many fights so what to say a black president would not cause friction of their own race.. Now not to say it would be good or bad but what we think is right cause of a change does not always mean its the perfect solution.
To me : thats why this canidates performance would be based yes on skin color you think people are voting cause of what he says ? All he says is its time for a change.
Does that not somewhat say he is saying race as well?????
I am not racist nor i care about what others think of me far as i think but i do see many people complaining that if he was white they would vote for him,before they vote for Hilary. Why Bill Clinton was based as first black president on many levels but what was his skin color? jmo.
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Lorax68
monmouth, Oregon USA
Posted: May 8, 2008, 12:31 PM CST
Portiea wrote:
I don't think you have understood the question. Who will vote or has voted for whom is not the question, nor is why someone might or might not vote for a candidate, based on any criteria; in fact, the question has nothing to do with voting at all, but, rather, with perception, i.e., public persception of the man who is president and if his race will color that perception in any way, as it seems to, so far, at least from media reports, have colored the perception of him as a candidiate.

Of course, your second paragraph makes much sense.



I understand the question. I just percieve it as silly.
I'm hungry for the day that the media stops telling me what i'm thinking, what i'm worried about.

If a crime occurs, i don't need to know the skin color of the people involved. Same goes for everything else. I just don't care what color someone is. It doesn't effect how i react to you, how i feel about you, or whether i would support you. I wasn't raised that way, and i'm not raising my children that way either. Race is a non-issue for me.

Let me put it this way, if Ronald Reagon had been black, would he have won the 1980 election? Would Kennedy? How many times can this country bend over backwards trying to avoid the real issues that actually effect us all?
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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: May 8, 2008, 12:32 PM CST
Portiea wrote:
I just caught this. You win the prize for understatement of the year.


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fireliter
Allen Park, Michigan USA
Posted: May 9, 2008, 7:56 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
Is it possible that even if Americans try to get past it and focus on the issues and the man, rather than his race, the international media would continue to focus on it?


the international market and other countires will profit from the lack of change, so it behooves them and their media to keep US in itst current state of disrepair that America has gotten itself into.
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j_goose71
Over there, Ohio USA
Posted: May 9, 2008, 8:59 AM CST
voldoll wrote:
Obama has an eloquent style and can certainly excite and inspire a crowd, but we still do not know much about him.


Hitler was eloquent also. Any one can talk a good onvincing game. But the guy has nothing as far as political experience goes.

And he once sad that if elected he'd get the troops out of Iraq within 60 days of taking office. (Hillbilly said something similar)

That's just impossible. We'll be there for another ten years, watch.
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solitare
Munchen, Bayern Germany
Posted: May 9, 2008, 9:30 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
Okay, hypothetically, if Obama wins the democratic nomination, and, hypothetically, wins the presidential election, is it possible for race to become a non-issue and that he will be judged on his performance alone? That is, will he ever be just the president, or will he always be the black president?

Looking for thoughtful, considered, fair, and reasonable replies--Thanks

Also, please be respectful of each others' opinions...




You may wish to revise the premise of this and include Obama AND Clinton as President and Vice-President as that is finally dawning on the Democratic leaders and those 'Super-delegates'.
The latest Time articles on the scenario forgot to mention this but has now suddenly appeared as a real, viable solution to putting a truly united front against the Republicans and their obsession with continuing the Bush policies.
As many have said after the Indiana vote in which Clinton is really, basically finished as she only squeaked by with just 52 percent of the vote, why vote for a candidate with only 51% when you can vote for 2 as 1 with 100 percent....if this does come about, the Republicans are , finally, at long last, finito. They are history.
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solitare
Munchen, Bayern Germany
Posted: May 9, 2008, 9:32 AM CST
solitare wrote:
You may wish to revise the premise of this and include Obama AND Clinton as President and Vice-President as that is finally dawning on the Democratic leaders and those 'Super-delegates'.
The latest Time articles on the scenario forgot to mention this but has now suddenly appeared as a real, viable solution to putting a truly united front against the Republicans and their obsession with continuing the Bush policies.
As many have said after the Indiana vote in which Clinton is really, basically finished as she only squeaked by with just 52 percent of the vote, why vote for a candidate with only 51% when you can vote for 2 as 1 with 100 percent....if this does come about, the Republicans are , finally, at long last, finito. They are history.


typo....meant to say, squeaked by with only 51 percent of the vote, not 52%....
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 9, 2008, 10:43 AM CST
solitare wrote:
You may wish to revise the premise of this and include Obama AND Clinton as President and Vice-President as that is finally dawning on the Democratic leaders and those 'Super-delegates'.
The latest Time articles on the scenario forgot to mention this but has now suddenly appeared as a real, viable solution to putting a truly united front against the Republicans and their obsession with continuing the Bush policies.
As many have said after the Indiana vote in which Clinton is really, basically finished as she only squeaked by with just 52 percent of the vote, why vote for a candidate with only 51% when you can vote for 2 as 1 with 100 percent....if this does come about, the Republicans are , finally, at long last, finito. They are history.


That solution would make me, and millions of others, ecstaticapplause
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solitare
Munchen, Bayern Germany
Posted: May 9, 2008, 10:46 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
That solution would make me, and millions of others, ecstatic


EXATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: May 9, 2008, 11:21 AM CST
solitare wrote:
EXATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!


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