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Hypothetically.....President Obama

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Serenity1971
Serenity's Island, Arizona USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:37 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
You make some good points but think of the problems that will come when he is unfairly not nominated by his party i.e. if the superdelegates go to Hillary.

If the guy wins the nomination and then the general elections he should be president. His supporters would really have something to riot about if he were somehow denied the democratic nomination or the presidency when he is clearly the frontrunner now in the primaries and can possibly do very well in the general election. If that were to happen I would completely understand the anger even though I do not support Obama being elected.


I think my point is that no matter who wins the election and who becomes President it's a lose-lose situation.

I was having a conversation with a friend of mine last night and we were discussing this very thing. Some of the points of the conversation were; Who has the more proven record? Who has had more experience? Who is the lesser of the evils so to speak? Living in Arizona, I have no use for McCain. So for me it's a battle between Obama and Clinton. I have seen and experienced many of the changes that Hillary has made in New York and I can't say any thing bad about her. There have also been things that Barack has pushed for in legislation that were great as well.

I don't believe we have a true understanding or full knowledge for the primaries without FL and MI being counted. It seems that in the last several elections that things keep getting worse as far as changing how they are run as well as who gets a say and who doesn't. I said it in the one thread and I'll say it again What we need is a complete and total revamp and that means cleaning out D.C. altogether and getting people with morals values and principles running this country again.
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solitare
Munchen, Bayern Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 1:28 PM CST
"I don't believe we have a true understanding or full knowledge for the primaries without FL and MI being counted. It seems that in the last several elections that things keep getting worse as far as changing how they are run as well as who gets a say and who doesn't. I said it in the one thread and I'll say it again What we need is a complete and total revamp and that means cleaning out D.C. altogether and getting people with morals values and principles running this country again."

as quoted from Serenity 1971

Serenity, I would mention that you see the May 5 edition of Time Mag. the article "Tell Me How This Ends" in which the so far 3 possible scenarios are given to end the as usual Democratic Party's tearing itself apart routine. Those so called 'disqualified' delegates of Florida and Michigan are given in scenario 2 which may play into the worst scenario are also given , which until a few days ago had no scenario for a combined Obama/Clinton ticket at the convention which now is escalating as a real possibility.
That said, when once you think about it, is still not about to bring any changes whatsoever to Washington or the way 'business' is conducted there on the hill.
If money is the life-blood of politics, it really should be called the food of politics, as in, "if money be the food of politics, feed on!" The food thing works on all levels; the body politic can be said to be rather bulimic. Look at the way voters binge and purge over election cycles, trading 'Great Society' style liberal largess for conservatives' cutbacks and capitalism. The Ginrich and company always claimed that they wanted the govt. to go on a diet, but at the same time they were fattening their own party coffers. Binge on contributions; purge the regulations. In with the money, out with the governance. The (mostly Republican) efforts to present bills outlawing laws against laws that stop the spread of laws on all matters financial have kept up since that bonzo clown Reagan became President. Now it is almost impossible to know hoe many lobbies are active on Capital Hill, let alone across the entire country. In 2002 there were about 24 thousand registered lobbyists there, about 45 for every member of Congress, a ratio that fairly wallops Surf City's promise of 2 girls for every boy. Moreover, these estimates merely account for those involved in lobbying at the federal level. There also thousands of lobbyists pitching moneys at the state levels . Add up all the moneys that flow from both levels, and we are talking about over a billion dollars, maibe two. I leave it to your discretion, to judge whether or not the titans of industry would sink that kind of money into a process that has granted them few tangible gains. For example, the most lobby-mobbed issue of the last several years is tax policy. Is it mere happenstance that corporate tax revenues are at their historic lowest or is it some damn fine work on the part of influence peddling lobbyists?
There is , will be no clean-house carried out without bloodshed...It is simply impossible, morals or no morals. Money talks louder than ethics or morals.
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Serenity1971
Serenity's Island, Arizona USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:05 PM CST
I agree that "Money talks louder than ethics or morals." at least when it comes to politicians being elected and put into office.

The lobbyists are a pain in the arse. They seem to do nothing more than create more problems than we already have, as well as put the priority issues on the back burner.

As far as Reagan goes...He was one of the last of the great Presidents that had morals, values, principles and ethics. He did everything that he possibly could in order to create a better morale for this country. Unfortunately that went out when Bush Sr. came in and we participated in "Desert Storm".

It's time for change all the way around and until it happens people are going to fight it and they're going to sit back and be complacent because it's what they'd rather be. Forget about the fact that it would be beneficial to everyone...Heaven forbid that people get off their lazy arses and do something. People need to realize that there are many like minded individuals that think that because they're only one person they can't do anything to start the changes that are necessary. I for one refuse to be complacent...It's against my nature. It used to be that "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." What happened there? Did everyone just decide overnight that it was just no use and who gives a hoot?

You don't have to have bloodshed in order to clean house. That's where many people are making their mistakes in all of this. Too many live in fear of "What if?"
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:10 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
Time will tell.
To me he is Obama, the presidential candidate. Why assume he will always be the black president? That thought never even crossed my mind.
If America's economy turns around, and if the war comes to an end somehow in some magical way, then he will go down as one of the best ever......
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:14 PM CST
Portiea wrote:
Interesting perspective. True, something about Powell transcends racial and party lines, as if we are unable to project onto him anything he is unwilling to have projected onto himself... However, the media, et al., would have labled him the first black president, of that I have no doubt.
I guess Powell will endorse Obama as well if he will be allowed .....Powell was forced to Lie in front of a whole world! I am sure he can never totaly forgive him self beause of that!
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:15 PM CST
kidatheart wrote:
What, christianity isn't an acceptable religion for the president anymore?
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:18 PM CST
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:20 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
No train here. I wouldn't vote for him either. I'm just not going to say things that aren't true or I don't believe to be accurate in order to debase the man.

This Muslim BS has been debunked countless times in the past. Bottom line is that your assertions are completely baseless.

Now, if you wish to discuss his poor judgement in his relationship with Rev Wright then OK. We can do that on another thread but I wont slam the guy because of what his father was or where he went to school as a child.
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:22 PM CST
kidatheart wrote:
No logic!

This is a hypothetical thread and there will be none of that!

I wonder if some people could be convinced that Georgie is an alien and needs to go home.
Kinda like an evil ET and not as cute.
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:23 PM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
I guess Powell will endorse Obama as well if he will be allowed .....Powell was forced to Lie in front of a whole world! I am sure he can never totaly forgive him self beause of that!


Omg.....are you saying Powell is being held hostage somewhere until after the election? D'oh!
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:31 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Omg.....are you saying Powell is being held hostage somewhere until after the election?

Not phisichally hostage but mentaly by his fellow military firends. It is really diffcult for him endorsing the one he really prefers because a lot militay men are interested in War industry and not a damn thing else! You are a kind of Hostage any way if ever you becoming a part of military! You can never be able to tell exactly what you want to tell or mean what exactly you mean!

Military indoctorine makes you powerless and if Powell really can takes him self out of that , He will endorsing Obama I bet!
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:32 PM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Not phisichally hostage but mentaly by his fellow military firends. It is really diffcult for him endorsing the one he really prefers because a lot militay men are interested in War industry and not a damn thing else! You are a kind of Hostage any way if ever you becoming a part of military! You can never be able to tell exactly what you want to tell or mean what exactly you mean!

Military indoctorine makes you powerless and if Powell really can takes him self out of that , He will endorsing Obama I bet!



Dude, he's retired....he could give a shit what someone else thinks...
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:34 PM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Not phisichally hostage but mentaly by his fellow military firends. It is really diffcult for him endorsing the one he really prefers because a lot militay men are interested in War industry and not a damn thing else! You are a kind of Hostage any way if ever you becoming a part of military! You can never be able to tell exactly what you want to tell or mean what exactly you mean!

Military indoctorine makes you powerless and if Powell really can takes him self out of that , He will endorsing Obama I bet!



I find it interesting that you find everyone in the military is a nut case. I suppose there are nutty Danish soldiers too, right?


Next question. How long did you serve? laugh
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:40 PM CST
optimystk wrote:
what intrest is this to germany??



It is and should be of interest to the entire world! professor

If the US was a tiny island of a million people I could see nobody paying any real attention to the upcoming elections, but it's not. What happens in the states has an effect on people around the globe. It's not an isolated entity with no influence or interests in other countries, so people from everywhere should be watching the race closely. It may indeed have a direct effect on their life and liberty!
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 2:52 PM CST
Serenity1971 wrote:
I agree that "Money talks louder than ethics or morals." at least when it comes to politicians being elected and put into office.

The lobbyists are a pain in the arse. They seem to do nothing more than create more problems than we already have, as well as put the priority issues on the back burner.

As far as Reagan goes...He was one of the last of the great Presidents that had morals, values, principles and ethics. He did everything that he possibly could in order to create a better morale for this country. Unfortunately that went out when Bush Sr. came in and we participated in "Desert Storm".

It's time for change all the way around and until it happens people are going to fight it and they're going to sit back and be complacent because it's what they'd rather be. Forget about the fact that it would be beneficial to everyone...Heaven forbid that people get off their lazy arses and do something. People need to realize that there are many like minded individuals that think that because they're only one person they can't do anything to start the changes that are necessary. I for one refuse to be complacent...It's against my nature. It used to be that "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." What happened there? Did everyone just decide overnight that it was just no use and who gives a hoot?

You don't have to have bloodshed in order to clean house. That's where many people are making their mistakes in all of this. Too many live in fear of "What if?"


How do you get rid of a dictator like Sadam? Talk him it being a nice guy? It just is not going happen. Eventually you can after miltiary pressure and military posturing has been shown. But till then, he will thumb his nose at you.

Serenity a guy like Sadam is so unbalanced, he will start a war over virtually nothing. He told a FBI agent that was questioning him after his capture.....he invaded Kuwait....because a Kuwait oil minister insulted the women of Iraq with a single comment. Gesh, had he read the posts here on CS, Sadam would have had CS bombed a long time ago.

Serenity, noone wants war. The old saying that the 'soldier is the last person to want war', is very true from my expereince with military people. Yet, if war has to be made....to free a country? to save a people? to defend a country? Are these not justified acts? Surely much more honorable and better than Sadam use of war.

And surely there are Sadam's in the world. Milosevic's. Mugabey's.Yes? Everytime one falls, the world is a little better place, jmo
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 3:01 PM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Not phisichally hostage but mentaly by his fellow military firends. It is really diffcult for him endorsing the one he really prefers because a lot militay men are interested in War industry and not a damn thing else! You are a kind of Hostage any way if ever you becoming a part of military! You can never be able to tell exactly what you want to tell or mean what exactly you mean!

Military indoctorine makes you powerless and if Powell really can takes him self out of that , He will endorsing Obama I bet!
DUUUUUUUUDE,youre becoming a MENTAL Case over an Election over which you have no control of even ONE Vote overblues sigh crying comfort
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 3:06 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
I find it interesting that you find everyone in the military is a nut case. I suppose there are nutty Danish soldiers too, right? Next question. How long did you serve?


I knew there was something wrong with me. laugh I'm a nut case.....rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 3:47 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
I knew there was something wrong with me. I'm a nut case.....



I wasn't going to go there.......but since you brought it up. grin laugh
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 5:48 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
I knew there was something wrong with me. I'm a nut case.....


Powell does seem unusually sane for a military manlaugh rolling eyes
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 6:00 PM CST
How pothetic do you have to be, to be hypothetic anyway?nerd
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