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Hypothetically.....President Obama




voldoll
over the rainbow, Tennessee USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:41 PM CST
optimystk wrote:
what intrest is this to germany??



OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER!!!! unless they are Americans living over there. Judging from the use of english and phonically spelled words, I don't think they are.



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Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:42 PM CST
"Government does not solve problems; it subsides them." Ronald Reagan
In other words all it does is create more problems allowing those in office and in the CEO positions to grab all they can and take off.
Politicians are synonymous with bullshit. It is a truth universally acknowledged that prevarication is practically part of the job description. The last 4 presidents have all bullshitted flagrantly and publicly in their own special ways. Reagan thought that facts were stupid things, and conjured chimerical scenarios involving wealthy, Caddy-driving-welfare queens and air-polluting trees. Bush the elder was more of an omitter, erecting a wall of sentence fragments between his office and his less than honourable friends in their respective business's. Clinton lied about sex and then lied about lying about sex and dropped bombs on Sudan and Baghdad during his fib-fueled impeachment. This last one has been nothing less than a historical world-class bullshitter.
Politicians are among the first people to tell you that politicians are not only crooks but are full of shit., decrying their fellows as lip-floppers or flim-flam artists or outright liars. It is of no surprise that mud-slinging is de rigueur in this campaign and has been since North America was colonized. Negative campaigning is not a recent invention. But since the Reagan era began political campaigns have gone beyond simply saying that the other person is evil or a wimp. It is the Government itself, and in general, is bad. Nobody seems more delighted to describe, in exquisite detail, just how corrupt government is than someone who happens to be running for it, or an elected member of it.
For your consideration: :We propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives. That is why, in this era of offivial evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print." Splendid you say, people could could use a government with less fine print! "Official evasion and posturing"--that fairly rolls off the tongue, right? Testify soul sister. What young firebrand could have penned such a fiesty manifesto? This stirring invective comes from the preamble to the Contract with America, one of the epic ballads of the ongoing and oxymoronic conservative or Republican revolution.
Ronaldus Magnis, as some conservatives call him, began the popular chorus against his own government strangleholds on free enterprise. He didn't come up with it, but he spread the notion that markets do just about everything better than the old public sector of government. Ten years later, Bushe's re-election, and the Republican majorities in the Hose and Senate, showed everyone that their 'Republican Revolution' had been a total rip-off success. Tax cuts in terms of getting government off the backs of people and letting just plain folks have their own money was just the same sort of sell that still arguments to privatize Social Security. The "ownership society" and "culture of responsibility are just squishy revamps of the language of the Contract so promoted by the likes of Newt Gingriich and Tom DeLay.
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:43 PM CST
Part 2 Reaganomics
The past 20 years years have seen a veritable orgy of industry deregulation and breaks for corporations. The elction of Reagan marks the point where the Blue Fairy finally makes the wodden puppet a real boy. Reagan dealt with the business of corporations versus the State. He summed up the previous government's view of the American economy thus: "If it moves, tax it,. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." He succeeded in that businesses paid less taxes and faced less strict regulations, and gave out huge, massive subsidies to his favoured industries like defence, aerospace and energy. It is said that Reagan is the real father of this current Bush, in that the country's economy is , finally going to hell. What Reagan started as the most corporate friendly president, Bush has succeeded with 'Reaganism'. Corporate tax revenues as a percentage of all tax revenues have been decreasing, if not plunging under Bush, According to Treasury Department figures, they have fallen over 36 percent between 2000 and 2003, from 207 Billion to 132 Billion, then before his last election, the Bush boys wrapped up his first term with another corporate tax-cut package worth over 143 Billion dollars. Is this anyway to run a country...not unless you are the CEO of an Enron style corporation...helping your friends embezzle all they can before you declare bankruptcy...and take off under 'executive priviledge', same as Reagan did for all his cronies, leaving 'the plain folk' with massive public debts again...and more higher taxes to pay to make up the losses sustained by all his subzidies...
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:44 PM CST
voldoll wrote:
OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER!!!! unless they are Americans living over there. Judging from the use of english and phonically spelled words, I don't think they are.



It is and should be of interest to the entire world! professor

If the US was a tiny island of a million people I could see nobody paying any real attention to the upcoming elections, but it's not. What happens in the states has an effect on people around the globe. It's not an isolated entity with no influence or interests in other countries, so people from everywhere should be watching the race closely. It may indeed have a direct effect on their life and liberty!


Just in case you missed it the first time I posted it.tip hat
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:45 PM CST
voldoll wrote:
OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER!!!! unless they are Americans living over there. Judging from the use of english and phonically spelled words, I don't think they are.


I'll quote anothe poster (hope he doesn't mind) who said it better than I can:

"It is and should be of interest to the entire world!

If the US was a tiny island of a million people I could see nobody paying any real attention to the upcoming elections, but it's not. What happens in the states has an effect on people around the globe. It's not an isolated entity with no influence or interests in other countries, so people from everywhere should be watching the race closely. It may indeed have a direct effect on their life and liberty!"

It is not at all unreasonable for those around the world to feel they have a stake in who is the president of the US--US policy has an effect on people around the world, sometimes a devastating effect.
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:46 PM CST
kidatheart wrote:
It is and should be of interest to the entire world! professor

If the US was a tiny island of a million people I could see nobody paying any real attention to the upcoming elections, but it's not. What happens in the states has an effect on people around the globe. It's not an isolated entity with no influence or interests in other countries, so people from everywhere should be watching the race closely. It may indeed have a direct effect on their life and liberty!Just in case you missed it the first time I posted it.


oops, you got there before meblushing
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:52 PM CST
kidatheart wrote:
It is and should be of interest to the entire world! professor

If the US was a tiny island of a million people I could see nobody paying any real attention to the upcoming elections, but it's not. What happens in the states has an effect on people around the globe. It's not an isolated entity with no influence or interests in other countries, so people from everywhere should be watching the race closely. It may indeed have a direct effect on their life and liberty!Just in case you missed it the first time I posted it.
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:57 PM CST
voldoll wrote:
OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER!!!! unless they are Americans living over there. Judging from the use of english and phonically spelled words, I don't think they are.
sticking out tongue Live with it or Vote for presidents whom are not nauty and not making Decisions which affecting billions of human beings lives all over the entire planet in negative ways!

There is No Planet America! America is one country amoung hundreds of other nations and all those nations have the right to have good lives and prosperity and Have the right to Live at least!
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: May 10, 2008, 8:07 PM CST
Portiea wrote:
oops, you got there before me



I guess I did, and no I don't mind.



P.S.: Wanted to write you but can't. dunno
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 8:10 PM CST
kidatheart wrote:
I guess I did, and no I don't mind.
P.S.: Wanted to write you but can't.


give me a minute and try again
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: May 11, 2008, 8:05 AM CST
Indyfella wrote:
I wasn't going to go there.......but since you brought it up.


Damn, I knew someone was going to take me to task on that post. laugh
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: May 11, 2008, 8:08 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
Powell does seem unusually sane for a military man


On a serious note, I have always admired General Powell. Fantastic leader, soldier, diplomat and person.
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: May 11, 2008, 9:16 AM CST
kidatheart wrote:
It is and should be of interest to the entire world! professor

If the US was a tiny island of a million people I could see nobody paying any real attention to the upcoming elections, but it's not. What happens in the states has an effect on people around the globe. It's not an isolated entity with no influence or interests in other countries, so people from everywhere should be watching the race closely. It may indeed have a direct effect on their life and liberty!Just in case you missed it the first time I posted it.


And if the tiny island had nuclear weapon capablities? E.G. like North Korea..........then people would take great interest of who is in power.

The US is always going to be a 500 pound white back gorrila without opposing thumbs in the world at times. We are going to thump our chest, bellow, jump up and down, get in your face on occassion.....
specially when it comes to our National Security. Most of the time
we will do under total control and for specific purposes and goals to achieve. Occassionally like Abu Grail we will not.

The world wants us to be a dairy cow standing in a field someplace waiting to be milked in the barn. Peaceful, non threatening, green friendly,aid giving, and humanitiarn.

When you show me a Russia or China that is also going to stand in the barn and also get milked, then we can talk about that different direction for the US. Anyone here seeing that in Russia or China?
Russia just rolled tanks and tactical missiles in her May Day Prarade, the first time since the break up. China has been expanding her miltiary and recently deep water a new submarine pen has been satellite imaged in a China island.

Show me that transformation in Russia and China as well....maybe a few other countries as well. When you show me a world without AlQeada and other terrorist groups. When you show me a middle east that really is in a state of peace. Then the US will make the conversion of 500 pound gorilla to dairy cow for you.

Only 4% of our GNP goes to military spending. Only 4.5 m of our countries 300 m are active military. We have met all the force reduction
agreements to our nuclear abilities from the Salt Agreements. Our industry in civilian commercial goods manufacture mode vs military
production. The systems that we do build now are often for defensive abilities....like the interceptor missile system. We have largely funded
Russia's de nuclear programs.

So seems to me that we are making some transitions to being a dairy cow for the world. Maybe you need to talk to Russia and China about similar transitions.
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 11, 2008, 9:24 AM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
On a serious note, I have always admired General Powell. Fantastic leader, soldier, diplomat and person.


I admire him as well, although he let me down fronting for that idiot--you know the one.....and I don't agree with him on everything for sure; had he allowed himself to run for president, he would in all likelihood have won and we would be in better shape than we are today. I think, in the end, he let us all and himself down and avoided what should have been his destiny, and I'm really don't understand why----dunno
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kidatheart
Southern BC/Lamont, Alberta Canada
Posted: May 11, 2008, 10:07 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
And if the tiny island had nuclear weapon capablities? E.G. like North Korea..........then people would take great interest of who is in power.

The US is always going to be a 500 pound white back gorrila without opposing thumbs in the world at times. We are going to thump our chest, bellow, jump up and down, get in your face on occassion.....
specially when it comes to our National Security. Most of the time
we will do under total control and for specific purposes and goals to achieve. Occassionally like Abu Grail we will not.

The world wants us to be a dairy cow standing in a field someplace waiting to be milked in the barn. Peaceful, non threatening, green friendly,aid giving, and humanitiarn.

When you show me a Russia or China that is also going to stand in the barn and also get milked, then we can talk about that different direction for the US. Anyone here seeing that in Russia or China?
Russia just rolled tanks and tactical missiles in her May Day Prarade, the first time since the break up. China has been expanding her miltiary and recently deep water a new submarine pen has been satellite imaged in a China island.

Show me that transformation in Russia and China as well....maybe a few other countries as well. When you show me a world without AlQeada and other terrorist groups. When you show me a middle east that really is in a state of peace. Then the US will make the conversion of 500 pound gorilla to dairy cow for you.

Only 4% of our GNP goes to military spending. Only 4.5 m of our countries 300 m are active military. We have met all the force reduction
agreements to our nuclear abilities from the Salt Agreements. Our industry in civilian commercial goods manufacture mode vs military
production. The systems that we do build now are often for defensive abilities....like the interceptor missile system. We have largely funded
Russia's de nuclear programs.

So seems to me that we are making some transitions to being a dairy cow for the world. Maybe you need to talk to Russia and China about similar transitions.


D'oh! You missed the point!

I have an interest in N Korean, Russian and Chinese politics as well, but know a lot less about what goes on in those countries compared to the US, who happen to be directly south of me, not half way across the globe!
What happens in the US does have a direct effect on my life so I feel that I'm entitled to comment and obligated to pay attention.

500 pound dairy cow?confused WTF are you talking about? laugh
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Serenity1971
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Posted: May 11, 2008, 10:20 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
And if the tiny island had nuclear weapon capablities? E.G. like North Korea..........then people would take great interest of who is in power


I'm not sure how much you watch CNN, but one of the reporters on there Christiane Amanpour did a special called "Notes From North Korea" It's absolutely incredible. It's history in the making and unfortunately it's not something that will ever make the history books. It's on again tonight. It will give you goosebumps and will make you cry. Here's the link if you want to check it out...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/07/amanpour.north.korea/index.html

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Serenity1971
Serenity's Island, Arizona USA
Posted: May 11, 2008, 12:01 PM CST
kidatheart wrote:
You missed the point!

I have an interest in N Korean, Russian and Chinese politics as well, but know a lot less about what goes on in those countries compared to the US, who happen to be directly south of me, not half way across the globe!
What happens in the US does have a direct effect on my life so I feel that I'm entitled to comment and obligated to pay attention.

500 pound dairy cow? WTF are you talking about?



N Korea has always been secretive about their country, but I can tell you after watching the episode on CNN last night, it's quite interesting.

As far as N Korea goes, they feel as though the U.S. is still a threat to them. There was only an amnesty signed, there was never a peace treaty signed. Gee I wonder who screwed that up rolling eyes
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Sparky55
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Posted: May 11, 2008, 2:33 PM CST
Portiea wrote:
I admire him as well, although he let me down fronting for that idiot--you know the one.....and I don't agree with him on everything for sure; had he allowed himself to run for president, he would in all likelihood have won and we would be in better shape than we are today. I think, in the end, he let us all and himself down and avoided what should have been his destiny, and I'm really don't understand why----


He was actually going to run against Clinton but decided not to. I think that would have been the best time for him. As far as President Bush goes, he was recruited and hired to do a job and I believe he did it to the best of his ability. Some say that he sold out on the Iraq War testimony but based on his history, I don't believe Powell would have testified to anything he didn't believe. Anyway, when he saw he could no longer support the administration he made a decision and opted to not take a 2nd term as SECSTATE if asked. I think he did it as well as anyone could have given the circumstances.

I've read several books by and about Gen Powell. Some go into great detail on the inner working of the 1st 4 years on the Bush Presidency. interesting reading.

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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 11, 2008, 2:37 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
He was actually going to run against Clinton but decided not to. I think that would have been the best time for him. As far as President Bush goes, he was recruited and hired to do a job and I believe he did it to the best of his ability. Some say that he sold out on the Iraq War testimony but based on his history, I don't believe Powell would have testified to anything he didn't believe. Anyway, when he saw he could no longer support the administration he made a decision and opted to not take a 2nd term as SECSTATE if asked. I think he did it as well as anyone could have given the circumstances.

I've read several books by and about Gen Powell. Some go into great detail on the inner working of the 1st 4 years on the Bush Presidency. interesting reading.


herein lies the problemlaugh professor
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: May 11, 2008, 3:07 PM CST
Portiea wrote:
herein lies the problem


I don't understand your post. What does this mean?
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