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Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: May 13, 2008, 8:27 PM CST


Exit polling for Obama is really bad in W. Va. Ouch!





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j_goose71
Over there USA
Posted: May 13, 2008, 8:38 PM CST
HMMMMM...a thought.....have any of you actually read Presidential directive 51?

Will there even BE an election?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3dAnSMzUlo&feature=related

and Why haven't the Dems even talked about the directive? is it because they too know that they will have absolute power if elected to office?





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anjel
tempe, Arizona USA
Posted: May 13, 2008, 9:37 PM CST
j_goose71 wrote:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XuNxPLNISrY


haha, thats cute....so is this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg







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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: May 13, 2008, 11:16 PM CST
j_goose71 wrote:
What don't you understand about the second congress of 1790? He was BORN a citizen! He didn't BECOME one a 16 years old!

Look at the date 1790.....not 1970! They didn't change the law for McCain. DUH



Hmmmmm 1790 vs 1970. Maybe he's dyslexicdunno

In this case I think it's selective. laugh

Dude will believe what he wishes to believe regardless of the facts.





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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: May 13, 2008, 11:23 PM CST
j_goose71 wrote:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XuNxPLNISrY


Well Done, The force is strong with you..





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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: May 14, 2008, 12:11 AM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
Well Done, The force is strong with you..


May the Shwanz Be with you Sparky grin





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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 14, 2008, 12:54 AM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
May the Shwanz Be with you Sparky
The WHAT???????rolling on the floor laughing D'oh! dropping jaw





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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 3:09 AM CST
From the 9/11 Commission:

2-3 were advance men. They came to reconn the mission. The other 16-17 were in Afghanistan in AlQeada training camps. They were from Suadi, but in Afghanistan going thru AlQeada's training program.

The 2-3 advanced men traveled the US and Europe gaining a better understanding of our airport security methods. Getting funding for the mission.

The orginal idea came from Shiek Mohammed Khalid. For a time he was the 'manager' of it. He is removed from this role. We know this from his post arrest statements.

At some point the advance men report back to bin Laden that it is a viable mission. bin Laden sends some ranking AlQeada to meet with the Iranian Secret Service. This was to get Iranian OK to pass the 16-17 from Afghanistan thru Iran and get them into the US without getting their passports stamped or needing visa. Both of which would have caught the eye of custom agents.

All but one used false names and passports......good quality ones. Some get flying lessons. One nearly was compromised by a FBI agent in Pheonix. They add a 20th to the group. He was later cut from the group after he said to a instructor, all he want to learn was how to fly the plane.....not to take it off or land it. The school reported him. They saw him as somone that was going to compromise the mission.....he left the country prior to 9/11. They later arrested him.

This took 18 months to put togther. The men that did it were expat Saudi that were living outside of Suadi when it was first conceived. That is the answer to rmartin question.

Why so hard to understand?

After getting to Afghanistan and picking up intell from bin Laden training camps near Khandar the number going thru was 70K.

After 9/11, a 1 percent shift of the 1 billion Muslims in the world to militancy and to terrorism was 1 million.

Why is this hard to understand?

During the Afghan/Russian war bin Laden had less than 5000 foreign fighters come to Afghan. We were not going to find this 70,000 or others in Afghanistan.

Most of the 70,000 were already disbursed back to some 40 home countries, when Afghanistan fell. Who the others from the 1,000,000 were, we had no idea. But we knew from the Muslim street post 9/11, they were in this.

Again so hard to understand?

So how do you fight this?

You need a means to compromise them. Find out who they are. Preferably outside of your country before they conduct operations
in it. Hence Iraq. A side benefit, a Sadam is removed from power.

You may not like Iraq. You would like the US even less if terror operations here were a common event. You may not like Abu Grail. I don't like Abu Grail either. Abu Grail was a dishonor to our military, but was not ordered by GWB. Those that did it are now in Leavenworth, a military prison.

With a limited deployed force, Opal ...we have been able to compromise much of this 70,000 and the projected 1m in Iraq. Arrested alone is 35,000 of them from 18 different countries. 5 times that have been killed. This all has occurred in Iraq. Without Iraq, that 70,000 and that 1m would be free to conduct operations here, in Europe, and elsewhere. They would be free to disrupt Islamic countries in the region. Who do you think is slipping across those Iraqi borders, to join the fight in Iraq? Or fighting presently in Lebanon? Islamic boy scouts? No Opal, the 70K and the 1 m are slipping into Iraq or have joined
Hezbollah/Hamas.

If you have a better 'plan', please send it to either Obama or to the White House. Obama can use it if and when he becomes President.
The White House and Joint Chiefs would like to read how better to take on terrorism post 9/11. If you don't have a better 'plan', and wish to prove your thoughts that these arrested and killed in Iraq have been wronged.....maybe become a Iraqi attroney. Take it thru the legal process there. The country is looking for some good people to help it out.






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Posted: May 14, 2008, 3:33 AM CST
I found a couple videos of Obama "before" he ever considered running for president and I have to say that I believe in his integrity even more. This guy hasn't changed his message and has been very consistent.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=340420182005665629&ei=ApsqSIi8JZP0-gGszP3OCQ&hl=en (

(this video is when he was campaining for the Democrats in 2006 to get back the house)



http://youtube.com/watch?v=YCZkZf6TmdE

(This is an interview with him before he decided to run for president)


I do believe this guy is genuine and he doesn't seem to be a flip flopper like McCain or Clinton.








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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 5:11 AM CST
Lionhearted1967 wrote:
I found a couple videos of Obama "before" he ever considered running for president and I have to say that I believe in his integrity even more. This guy hasn't changed his message and has been very consistent.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=340420182005665629&ei=ApsqSIi8JZP0-gGszP3OCQ&hl=en (

(this video is when he was campaining for the Democrats in 2006 to get back the house)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YCZkZf6TmdE

(This is an interview with him before he decided to run for president)I do believe this guy is genuine and he doesn't seem to be a flip flopper like McCain or Clinton.



If only he could figure out that we don't have 57 states, he'd be a shoe in. frustrated rolling on the floor laughing





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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 5:39 AM CST
With, a limited deployment force, Opal

rolling on the floor laughing





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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 6:17 AM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Cuba wouldn't be big enough to hold every muslim, let alone Gitmo, so I think you're dramatically overstating...wouldn't you agree? Probably the worse thing the Administration did was to allow them to be taken to Gitmo. Probably would have been smart to turn them over to the Egyptians.

So from your logic, all terrorism will go away next January, huh. Certainly ignoring it as Clinton did got us no pass on terrorism, as it only increased up to 9/11. But let's ignor that fact.

Naaaaa.......I wouldn't want to see Obama in Gitmo as I don't see him as hateful.........but, maybe you and Dude. I could live with that.




What I disagree with it is putting them in Gitmo and not giving them a trial. But he couldn't even fill the courts with enough Justices to neglect the law and to totally ignore how the dictator wanted to abuse power.

What really angers me is the way Bush has shredded the constitution and ignorant people act like sheep and so freely give up their rights and liberties as long as they believe they are not directly effected and things are good for them. And they live in so much fear and ignorance and hate. I see you participated in the dumbing down of America. And even enjoy watching Bush abuse people and power. But since you can manage a ridiculous question here is an answer for you....

No, the mess Bush has created won't go away in January but I will offer you and Bush up to Al-queda if they will accept that offer and end it. wine





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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 6:21 AM CST
Indyfella wrote:
If only he could figure out that we don't have 57 states, he'd be a shoe in.


Indy, you should have banged your head like that with every mistake Bush made. rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing





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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 6:58 AM CST
Let the Gitmo show "trials" begin. Let the Bushites promote fear of "terrorism" in behalf of McCain. Let those who have been waterboarded be convicted on statements they made under torture. Let the US show the entire world that it's mired in its barbarianism and that it will kill to advance a partisan political agenda. Let yet another national disgrace unfold.

Killing to advance a partisan political agenda isn't exactly new. Two of the most glaring examples: Ricky Ray Rector and Karla Faye Tucker. And now the eventual killing of 6 Gitmo detainees-- even if they are convicted executions will not be possible for years-- is planned. Notice when this announcement was made. It's been 6+ years since the incident, and the detainees have been in custody for more than 5 years. But the election season is upon us, and the Republican front runner believes that terrorism is his most powerful issue. Is this the earliest moment when the announcement could have been made that the death penalty would be sought? Of course not. But what better political time to announce this.






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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 8:01 AM CST
I am posting this to show right now that the Republican campaign will be again ran on the platform of terrorism and fear. That is why McCain voted for waterboarding so it could be used as evidence in the "show" trials. Which will only make the 6 detainees on trial look like martyrs and create more terrorism. They are a bunch of little Hitlers.....

http://www.alternet.org/rights/77360/





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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 12:00 PM CST
opalbeauty wrote:
With, a limited deployment force, Opal


WWII Eurpean Theatre Deployment was around 2 million Americans into the theatre. 150,000 into Iraq, I would call a limited force deployment.





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highplains
Highland Springs, Virginia USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 12:19 PM CST
European Theatre covered hundreds of thousands more acres than Iraq, so it's all relative, wouldn't you say?





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anjel
tempe, Arizona USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 12:59 PM CST
Lionhearted1967 wrote:
I found a couple videos of Obama "before" he ever considered running for president and I have to say that I believe in his integrity even more. This guy hasn't changed his message and has been very consistent.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=340420182005665629&ei=ApsqSIi8JZP0-gGszP3OCQ&hl=en (

(this video is when he was campaining for the Democrats in 2006 to get back the house)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YCZkZf6TmdE

(This is an interview with him before he decided to run for president)I do believe this guy is genuine and he doesn't seem to be a flip flopper like McCain or Clinton.


applause

exactly my point. I mean, dont get me wrong, McCain has been pretty consistent as well, people dont like him, and he doesnt care, he hasnt changed his attitude so that people will feel more comfortable, and so what, he truly doesnt care, it is what it is, and that's his message, so what if we are in war forever, so long as any territory/materials the US wants, the US has, no matter how many people we kill, be it our American sons, fathers, brothers, husbands, daughters, sisters, mothers, wives, and friends or someone elses. But bless his heart, he'd rather save the unborn fetus, and kill them as born adults. (silent eh). well, he is consistent.

Unlike our friend Hillary, do I even need to go there?





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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 1:43 PM CST
highplains wrote:
European Theatre covered hundreds of thousands more acres than Iraq, so it's all relative, wouldn't you say?


Yes I would. But also consider Vet Nam. Top level troop level deployment in country was 550,000 if I remember correctly.
In a country that was what....maybe a 1/5 th the size of Irag?

We are still fighting this is as limited conflict. Maybe a better term.....very large pro longed brush fire war.

Ask yourself why?

We can sustain the deployment longer. Allow these vectors...Iran, militants, and AlQeada give them the time to come into the fight there.

The day a nuc is detonated in a western city. Is this day this goes from this limited deployment to a full scale moblization. My opinion here. Follow this as well. The United States population is 300m about 2 times what was in the 1960s, about 4 times what it was in the 1940s.

With the draft of the 1940s, they put a little over 4 m into the military.
Do the same draft today, change our economy to war time production (go from 4% gnp to 16-20% gnp in military spending).......you have 16 m under arms.

Even do a limited draft of the 1960s, and you can have 8 m under arms.

I was in during the cold war. I have seen the plans to reopen closed military training bases and to go to 40-50 division military for the Russian threat of that day. These likely have changed....maybe it would be a 5000 brigade Army for the kind of conflict of today. Really once the mobilization of a country begins in full, is like a factory. Men, training, equipment, facilities come together and military units are turned out and shipped out in large numbers.

It is doable if ever needed. But it is not needed today. Or unless you get into a fight with China or Russia.

I don't support this by the way. For as long as this is a limited conflict, the world is a much better place. And even much better if there was no conflict at all. But if this was really a Christian Crusade against Middle Eastern countries, as bin Laden is saying.....that is what you would have....The United States could field, a Army of 4-8m, in those countries. That is a deployed Army of both long term occupational size and of over powering strength with our military technologies of today.

You also would have great war protests here in the US. Americans leaving the country is masses, and a world in real turmoil. Just trying to point out there is a real hole in bin Laden's Christian Crusade arguement. The US has not moblized for it. And not very likely to moblize for it.





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j_goose71
Over there USA
Posted: May 14, 2008, 2:08 PM CST
Lionhearted1967 wrote:


(This is an interview with him before he decided to run for president)I do believe this guy is genuine and he doesn't seem to be a flip flopper like McCain or Clinton.


Then why did he say in IL. that he was for taking away guns from the public, but in WV he said he was all for the second ammendment rights?

There's more of his double talk, I'll have to go back through and find them all and post them.

He's just another politician. I think only the independents have any measurable integrity. The rest are owned by their parties.





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