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what about Mama

Dublin dating
vonney
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 10:03 AM CST
shipoker55 wrote:
Their religion says they are a gift from "God". But mine says they are a drain on the enviorment and society!

Again I am not surprised that they are from the same state as the other religious fanatic that protest at gay funerals. And protest at mliltary funerals, saying people are dyinf in Iraq because America is too lenient on homosexuals. Is there something in the air in Arkansas that warps peoples brains?




Ah Ship am sorry but to lump a couple who chose to have a large family in with the group you mention makes no sense.I am shocked that people are coming down so heavily on this family,are they asking the state or others to raise their children for them? No.

I couldnt imagine that amount of children but if I had met the right guy I certainly would have had more than the three I have.

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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 10:09 AM CST
vonney wrote:
Ah Ship am sorry but to lump a couple who chose to have a large family in with the group you mention makes no sense.I am shocked that people are coming down so heavily on this family,are they asking the state or others to raise their children for them? No.

I couldnt imagine that amount of children but if I had met the right guy I certainly would have had more than the three I have.


To me, the real issue here is not about whether they can support all these children or not. It is not about their religious beliefs. It is the impact they are making on the world. They have 18 children. Chances are all of those 18 children will have children. Those children will have children, and so on. There is a population explosion happening on this planet. In North America, the population doubled in the 20th century. In relationship to past centuries, that is a huge increase. The planet cannot support all the people who are currently living on it. Over-population is the reason for global warming and all problems related to it because of the amount of food that needs to be grown and processed, energy needs, and all other impacts on the environment and what the planent can and cannot support. Over population is the cause of so many people currently suffering and starving. It is the cause of there being virtually millions of children without any parents at all, who live on the street, who end up as beggars, victims of the sex trade, drug adicts, etc., and who live in filth and poverty. It is selfish to have so many children when there are virtually millions who have no one. If these people love children, then why not gather to themselves those who really need them and take care of them? If children are so precious....well, that just doesn't ring true--it appears only children of one's own blood are precious, because people have to problem looking the other way when children who are not of their own blood, color, or country are suffering.
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vonney
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 10:15 AM CST
Portiea wrote:
To me, the real issue here is not about whether they can support all these children or not. It is not about their religious beliefs. It is the impact they are making on the world. They have 18 children. Chances are all of those 18 children will have children. Those children will have children, and so on. There is a population explosion happening on this planet. In North America, the population doubled in the 20th century. In relationship to past centuries, that is a huge increase. The planet cannot support all the people who are currently living on it. Over-population is the reason for global warming and all problems related to it because of the amount of food that needs to be grown and processed, energy needs, and all other impacts on the environment and what the planent can and cannot support. Over population is the cause of so many people currently suffering and starving. It is the cause of there being virtually millions of children without any parents at all, who live on the street, who end up as beggars, victims of the sex trade, drug adicts, etc., and who live in filth and poverty. It is selfish to have so many children when there are virtually millions who have no one. If these people love children, then why not gather to themselves those who really need them and take care of them? If children are so precious....well, that just doesn't ring true--it appears only children of one's own blood are precious, because people have to problem looking the other way when children who are not of their own blood, color, or country are suffering.



While I can see your point I do not see what a couple having a large family has to do with children ending up living in the conditions you describe. These children sadly were not born into families that could support them, perhaps education on contraception in these Countries would be the answer not limiting people all over the world on the size of their family.
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 10:28 AM CST
vonney wrote:
While I can see your point I do not see what a couple having a large family has to do with children ending up living in the conditions you describe. These children sadly were not born into families that could support them, perhaps education on contraception in these Countries would be the answer not limiting people all over the world on the size of their family.



Despite the fact that families in the west may be better able to support their children economically, and even though there may be less people per square mile in Western countries, the West, because of our lifestyle, is a bigger drain on the environment than 3rd world countries. The globe is shrinking, metaphorically, and we are all now much more responsible for each other. Yes, it behoves all of us to encourage educaton world wide about birth control, but that is not the only issue. It is far more complex.

Given all of that, I honestly don't understand how people who say they love children can so easily turn their backs on millions of them who are suffering and starving. Perhaps you can explain this to me. cheers
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shipoker55
St. Petersburg, Florida USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 10:41 AM CST
vonney wrote:
Ah Ship am sorry but to lump a couple who chose to have a large family in with the group you mention makes no sense.I am shocked that people are coming down so heavily on this family,are they asking the state or others to raise their children for them? No.

I couldnt imagine that amount of children but if I had met the right guy I certainly would have had more than the three I have.





I was referring to fanatical religious beliefs...not to cult membership. Yes, I believe have 18 children and possibly more because thay are a blessing from God...is fanatical
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Serenity1971
Serenity's Island, Arizona USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 11:22 AM CST
I have to say my mom did the best she could with what she had at the time. She taught me how to laugh, how to love and how to let go. Anything she ever said to me was either a lesson learned or knowledge and wisdom gained. She told me a long time ago "You can do anything you want to do if you put your mind to it!" Those words will always stay with me because no matter what happens or when things get rough, I know that I can get through them if I put my mind to it and figure things out and put goals in place.

Don't get me wrong, she and I have had our disagreements as well as our differences and our times of not speaking to each other, but no matter what I love her dearly and always will.

a flower for you a flower for you a flower for you
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shipoker55
St. Petersburg, Florida USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:43 PM CST
Serenity1971 wrote:
I have to say my mom did the best she could with what she had at the time. She taught me how to laugh, how to love and how to let go. Anything she ever said to me was either a lesson learned or knowledge and wisdom gained. She told me a long time ago "You can do anything you want to do if you put your mind to it!" Those words will always stay with me because no matter what happens or when things get rough, I know that I can get through them if I put my mind to it and figure things out and put goals in place.

Don't get me wrong, she and I have had our disagreements as well as our differences and our times of not speaking to each other, but no matter what I love her dearly and always will.



that was a wonderful post. I could even feel the "sencerity' in every word. That's what Moms should do. You are both fortunate to have each otherhandshake
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Serenity1971
Serenity's Island, Arizona USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:55 PM CST
shipoker55 wrote:
that was a wonderful post. I could even feel the "sencerity' in every word. That's what Moms should do. You are both fortunate to have each other



Thank you...I'm very grateful to have my mom, I'd be lost without her. hug
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: May 10, 2008, 3:33 PM CST
shipoker55 wrote:
What are the greatest words from your mother? What did she say to you that made you what you are now??



You know I love my mother...BUT can't really remember any...I think I gave her more advice than what she ever gave me....dunno confused grin
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kissmedeeply
New brunswick, New Brunswick Canada
Posted: May 10, 2008, 3:36 PM CST
She said be who you are not what others what you to be..and You will be fine in life...

Love yourself and others will follow....

You are a great daughter and i love you....

Your a Great Mom...

Thanks for being there when i needed you
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 6:29 PM CST



Uhhh........not to many June Cleavers in the crowd, huh? moping
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Portiea
Konstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany
Posted: May 10, 2008, 6:32 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Uhhh........not to many June Cleavers in the crowd, huh?


just cleaverslaugh
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gingerb
Letterkenny, Donegal Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 6:51 PM CST
My mother always told me I was crazy and useless and would never amount to anything.

I don't like her but I don't hate her either.

She is dying right now of cancer, not expected to live past the next few days.

I don't know what to think about her any more.
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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:08 PM CST
gingerb wrote:
My mother always told me I was crazy and useless and would never amount to anything.

I don't like her but I don't hate her either.

She is dying right now of cancer, not expected to live past the next few days.

I don't know what to think about her any more.


I've had one of those...I amounted to what I wanted to and I'm happy.

I think you may be happy with your lot and what you've achieved from reading your posts and your profile.

Wishing a peaceful passing I think is in your nature also even though it may not have been a peaceful existence for you.

Angels are hard to come by angel
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gingerb
Letterkenny, Donegal Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:18 PM CST
Midship wrote:
I've had one of those...I amounted to what I wanted to and I'm happy.

I think you may be happy with your lot and what you've achieved from reading your posts and your profile.

Wishing a peaceful passing I think is in your nature also even though it may not have been a peaceful existence for you.

Angels are hard to come by


You are very sweet , ty. All my family are in the hospital with her right now but I can't bring myself to be there. I saw her just before she went in there and for once she didn't run me down. I somehow want to hold on to that and not let anything she said before, or would say to me now, colour my memory of her. Praying for her is all I feel I can do now.
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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:31 PM CST
gingerb wrote:
You are very sweet , ty. All my family are in the hospital with her right now but I can't bring myself to be there. I saw her just before she went in there and for once she didn't run me down. I somehow want to hold on to that and not let anything she said before, or would say to me now, colour my memory of her. Praying for her is all I feel I can do now.


Curse me out and slap me even, you'd be close enough to do it on our Island...maybe your Mom gave what she thought was most valuable at the point of contact...would you slap me twice for asking if you wanted to be there...I'd take the slap handshake



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patrickthomas
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:34 PM CST
sxc666 wrote:
She said you're not my Daughter. Best thing she ever did.


I love that, my Mother told me my Father was not my Father, still rejoicing.
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kkitty
Minnesota, Minnesota USA
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:40 PM CST
shipoker55 wrote:
What are the greatest words from your mother? What did she say to you that made you what you are now??



LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU



AND THAT MADE ME A LOVING MOTHER

heart beating handshake handshake handshake
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:54 PM CST
ship
ll tell ya now

i didnt read the op or one other comment

i just saw the lead in line
and throw momma from the train
came right outta my mouth

wave laugh sigh


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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: May 10, 2008, 7:59 PM CST
mindfful wrote:
ship
ll tell ya now

i didnt read the op or one other comment

i just saw the lead in line
and throw momma from the train
came right outta my mouth


Throw her...

I'd push her rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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