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The baby factory comment was directed toward both...not just her. Again...you're "superior attitude" is rampant

So women don't abandone their children...only men!! well excuse me!!
My brother and sister and I were ALL abandoned by my mother.

This is the attitude that I am referring to!

YOU...have a nice(perfect) day!

""Men can also be referred to one as well. Woman unfortunately just have the entire responsibility placed on them during and afterwards when the man chooses not to take it."

The standards are not my personal standards. The impact overpopulation has on the environment speaks for itself. I don't understand why people who say they love children so much turn their backs on children in need. I don't understand why any couple needs to have more than two children.

Honey, if the worse you can call me is a "baby factory" then it means nothing to me. You obviously don't have children or you would have a little more compassion for a "child". My mother abandoned all five of us as well, so guess what? I don't use that to determine how I am as a mother.
No excuse for your insults. I am a good mother and proud of my children. I didn't say all woman abandon their children or that all fathers do. You use what is written to justify and perverse the conversation. You obviously have your own issues of abandonment, as most do when the situation of your own mother is present. I have my own. So, no judging you at all.

I have previously AGREED that 18 is too many, so where you're getting the idea I condone it, well...who knows.

Because some couples "choose" to have more than one. That's the reality.

I agree that no one should turn away from children in need, but I don't see why I as a parent should consistantly take care financially of someone else's child. I donate what I can and do what I can as a human being. I have no obligation or responsibility to someone else. I pay my taxes which is used for programs to help children and even adults who are not my responsibility. Maybe your country doesn't use the money for those programs, I don't know. I'm not familiar with it to make an assumption.

No child should be without, I agree.

Ohh, and the term "baby factory"....is so old school. Try some more originality. The nostalgia has worn off.

What you are doing is great. And I am not directing my comments or expectations to any one individual--but say, for example, a couple had two children but wanted more, why not adopt? Why not? It isn't supporting someone else's child. It is giving love you have to a new child, a child of your own, just not one of your own blood. I don't think most reasonable people believe it isn't possible to love an adopted child as much as your own. So, why not? I'm not saying people shouldn't have children of their own. I'm saying that people who profess to love children should live by their own words--and give love to children who need them. And, it is very true, if you study the environmental impact of the population explosion over the past century, that population is putting such an intense strain on the planet that it is why we are seeing global warming as well as many societal problems.

Really? I could care less about your opinion of my language...people who turn out 18 children and planning more...are baby factories. Excuse me if I am not politically correct. But you ARE so superior to we ignorant low lifes!! I will try to approach you with a more current vocabulary as soon as my "language for the politically correct psuedo-intellectual;" manual arrives!!

LOL! That family could make their own re-make of the movie The Terror Of Tiny Town...and use all their children instead of midjets as in the Hollywood version. (It was a Western %D)

I didn't ask you to care about my opinion, nor do I need permission from you regarding mine. That's the joy in life of having one.

I never called you an ingnorant low life, but if that's how you personally feel.....

Obviously when an opinion is expressed and insult fly, there's a lack of respect and courtesy. I respect that you have an opinion, I do not however need to respect an insult occuring from someone who doesn't either know me, nor have the capacity to express without insults- regarding what a woman is or isn't. If the shoe were on the other foot and men procreated...well.... a whole different topic.


"Pseudo Intellectual" is the correct spelling, and yes, I'm ANAL as well. (about spelling!)


Buenos dias!

and I would remind you....since you have turned this into a woman/versus man agenda. That it was my mother who abandoned her children, not my father. and yes...you are ANAL. Did I spell that right?? Or should that have been...correctly?? What would a man know when faced with your superiority??

Christ, if I had known this would start a war of the sexes and such, I never would have posted it.





Earl

well, itannoys me...when people blame men for all the problems with child-raising. It was stated that women are left to raise the children when the man leaves. Well, my father was left to raise the children, when my mother left. It wasn't a man who drowned her kids in the tub or who sent them to the bottom of a lake. And yes, men have done as bad, if not, worse. But to turn a blind eye to womens failures and only point out mens...is just wrong!

Problem is, we are all human, and (I believe) inherently(hope I spelled it right) evil. To point out one genders faults without the other, is just not right.

I sincerely believe that these people, whom I called a baby factory, are religious fanatics. I believe nobody with a fully functioning thought process would want 18 children and hope for more. Sure, it gets a lot of publicity. But how do you love is children with the attention they need. There are so many other issues than...this is a blessing from god.

somewhere common sense has got to come into play. And as another poster has stated, if they have so much capacity for love, why not adopt some of these orphaned children? My sister was adopted. My brother and I were not. I never knew I had a sister till later in life, as an adult. But when we found each other, instead of happy, I was depressed. Wondering why Reed and I weren't adopted but she was. Weren't we good enough? My sister and I are really close now....but the point I am trying to make( though not very eloquently) is there are already millions of kids in this world that sorely need love and warmth and happiness. Can't we quit bringing more kids into this god-forsaken place, and give shelter and love to the ones that are already here??.....JMO, of course

Actually you have made your point quite eloquently and poignantly--whatever else we may not agree on, we most surely do agree on this.

Maybe he keeps her knocked up
so her mind wont stray?

Ship,

I was adopted as a tiny baby and because I was not "perfect" (deaf in one ear, speech impediment, and wouldn't speak until I was nearly six) in the eyes of my adoptive mother, I was cast aside as so much chattel. She eventually went on to have four other babies. As soon as I was old enough, I was expected to help care for the other babies who received her "love". As soon as they became old enough, they were expected to help out on the ranch. We were little more than mere farmhands.My adoptive parents originally wanted 12 children! My adoptive father came from a family of 10 children and my adoptive mother from a family of 2 children.My siblings do not go home if they can help it. A cold, unemotional environment will do that to children and it will stay with one well until adulthood. So being naturally born and/or adopted isn't as great as some may think. Some are so lucky and have such loving parents, some do not and manage to survive in any way that they can. We all do the best that we can and live life day to day.

Do you have any idea just how much it costs to adopt a child? Try anywhere from $16,000 to $27,000 and on up depending on the country where one wants to adopt such a child. There are travel fees, adoption fees, dealing with red tape, etc... It's not inexpensive to adopt no matter where one may live including in the US. A good way to figure out if adoption may be suitable for one is to offer a foster home first.

That means a lot of sex


MMMMmmm NICE!

Which reminded me.

My dad was adopted from a Catholic Children's home..

I have ten letters that went back and forth between two priests there..

One of the says..

That a couple came to see the baby today... but they decided on 2nd thoughts they wanted a girl..


(even my dad laughs at that now)

And huge savings on condoms

Says who??? I for one don't plan to have even ONE (I am not fond of children and I don't have the qualities to make a good mother), so as far as I'm concerned, they can have two more for me.... And I'd MUCH rather each one of their 17 (or soon 18) children had as many of their own if they wish, when they grow up, rather than some other people who clearly have no idea how to raise a good person...

Go to their website - a picture is worth a thousand words... And there are a lot of them... I too thought "that is insane" at first, but I had to change my opinion quickly.



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