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I have NO respect for Catholicism either... but I am a devout Christian... the ills of the Church were not the work of God... they were the work of much darker forces.. who succeeded (sadly ) in turning people like you away from God... shame to see this succeed in so many people

the same could be said for the Qu'ran....

Sound like your a sensible one then Aries and i believe the original message of christianity was spreading love respect and community and had nothing to do with a churched based place of worship.

If someone has faith it is within them.But how on earth you you try to retionalise how extremist right christians behave? To me Then its completely irrational makes no sense at all and then their believing the rightings of what was basically the Roman Facist state!

You cant rationalise anything with fundamentalist's and i think they should be kept as far away from power as possible in case the propogate their warped views through say television or the educational on minds that are not yet educated and free to make a balanced decision.

What scares me is indoctrination, then follows blind faith and leadership towards disaster..

Whether or not you believe in G-D is not my concern but if you don't then explain to me how the Universe began.

If you use the big bang theory then explain from whence came big bang and how you get something from nothing otherwise it is the Eternal created everything.

I do believe in G-D and no one can ever convince me otherwise. I don't care what one says I know he is real.



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Psalm 19 tells of the Universe. When you say bible are you including the Greek writings or new testament as xtians call it?

I agree wholeheartedly!!... a desire for power and faith should not go together ever!!! they are repugnant to each other..if you have true faith and you are a true Christian.. u recognise that there is only one power.... God.. and those that believe that they have the power to dictate and judge are contrary to the essence of my faith

Oh, YOU'RE back.....


Good to see ya, Mike. Haven't heard from ya in a while. I haven' been on much lately myself.

The Biblical God and Christ are based on much more ancient pagan religions. There are stories of great floods dating back to the ancient sumerians. Dionysus changed water into wine. Caspacious healed a blind man with spittle.

Not saying that there aren't good moral values to be learned from the bible, but to worship an invisible man, be it Horus (born of a virgin), Zeus (Earth Mover and God of Gods), or Christ, seems like a cop out. Using a diety to condone one's actions or inactions.

As far as archaeology proving the historical facts in the Bible. I beg to differ. Only Locations have been proven. Any good work of fiction does this also. (i.e. "Gone with the Wind")

There is no physical archaeological evidence of the exodus or Moses. There is no physical evidence of the existance of Jesus.

In fact there wer NO contemporary writers (i.e. eye witnesses) during the life of Christ. Not one. And historians during the years of 1AD to 33AD (note 33 is a symbolic number itself) make no mention of Jesus at all. There were many "Messiahs" running around during that time period, and they were mentioned by some, but no mention of christ. which makes me wonder if Jesus was someone made up by Paul in his scripture.

This is not exclusive to Catholicism. Christians have been murdering for centuries in the name of God.

Inquisitions, blood labels, witch hunts, and the Crusades.

What they're ranting about in the Bible and an Architect of The Universe are Two Horses of entirely different Colours!

E=Mc2....Energy equals mass.....and the big bang had plenty of energy to cool into mass. The Big Bang just sets the "time" of the "beginning". The Universe at the Planc Era, with all the energy in it, could have possibly been generated by a solution of Metric Path Integrals. The instanton itself came to exist from literally nothing.

After the Planc Era, the energy of the young universe was dominated by a scalar field called an inflation field. This inflation generated a potential energy V inflaton.

Then time passes leaving the inflation field at a local minimum and as the inflation rolls down to a new minimum, the excess energy is transformed into particles (matter!) that would later form into baryons, leptons, quarks, and so on.

But at the same time the universe expanded exponentially and this is basically the inflationary picture for the "creation" of matter. Then, mass and energy are conserved after this occurs by Einstein's general relativity.

I'm sure most of this sounds like Mumbo Jumbo to most, but research the theories, and also look into matter/anti matter created in a vacuum for more.

Where did the energy for the Big bang come from? Maybe another universe? Dunno, but there are other universes, and endless means of creation that we just don't know about yet.

Have you ever wondered why the name of Jesus is mentioned in the Qu'ran more than the name Mohammad is?

Hey Goose,

What does Attis, Cybele, Mithra, Adonis, Eleusis, Thrance, Dionysus, Osiris, and the like have in common? (I did not include Horus because Trish just introduced me to that one and I will have to get back to you on it)

They were all introduced as pre-Christ mythological figures with superficial similarities to the Gospel of Jesus. Written by the likes of J.M.Robertson, Kersey Graves, G.A. Wells, Joseph Campbell, and John Allegro. They were all celebrated as great works against those evil Christians.

They also slipped into anonymity when cross examination (by both Christian and secular scholars) showed their findings to be speculative at best. Their writings have been regarded as small, unimportant, and trifling. Even the well respected Sir Edwards Evan Pritchard writes in "Theories of Primitive Religion" that the evidence for these theories is "negligible".

The reason these and ideas like them (ideas against the evidence of Christianity) never go anywhere is they are eventually dismissed is that they are found to be without merit.

John Allegro's text "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" was refuted by more than 14 experts in Semetic languages and related fields.

Jesus split history in half. He claimed to be God. And His book has never been proven to be anything other than what it claims to be. If it were not so, then we would have had headlines around the world. "Bible proven to be false!", and then we would not hear from Christianity again. Except of course for those who would hang on to something like we see the polygamists doing in Eldorado.

I had an imaginary friend when I was small. I thought he could grant me wishes and was always with me.

Then I grew up and stopped believing in God.

"As people become more intelligent they care less for preaches and more for teachers."
– Robert G. Ingersoll

And to the archaeological question, I would ask if you have heard of Sir William Ramsey?

Famous scholar and archaeologists, educated at Oxford and professor at both Oxford and Cambridge. He received gold medals from Pennsylvania, the Royal Geographical Society, the Royal Scottish Geographical Society, and Pope Leo XII. Knighted in 1906.

He set out to prove that the Bible was fraudulent and "the product of ambitious monks".

After 15 years of digging, he shocked the world by starting to publish book after book of evidences confirming the Bible as being archaeologically and historically accurate. His own findings convinced him of the reliability of the Bible and the truth it taught.

<--- s--- eating grin.

Mother Theresa's dying words were 'There is no god'

Where did you source that information from?/?

I will also dispute that statement.

Gonna look now.

Quotes of Mother Teresa

"Keep the joy of loving God in your heart and share this joy with all you meet especially your family. Be holy – let us pray."

"I once picked up a woman from a garbage dump and she was burning with fever; she was in her last days and her only lament was: ‘My son did this to me.’ I begged her: You must forgive your son. In a moment of madness, when he was not himself, he did a thing he regrets. Be a mother to him, forgive him. It took me a long time to make her say: ‘I forgive my son.’ Just before she died in my arms, she was able to say that with a real forgiveness. She was not concerned that she was dying. The breaking of the heart was that her son did not want her. This is something you and I can understand."

"When once a chairman of a multinational company came to see me, to offer me a property in Bombay, he first asked: ‘Mother, how do you manage your budget?" I asked him who had sent him here. He replied: ‘I felt an urge inside me.’ I said: other people like you come to see me and say the same. It was clear God sent you, Mr. A, as He sends Mr. X, Mrs. Y, Miss Z, and they provide the material means we need for our work. The grace of God is what moved you. You are my budget. God sees to our needs, as Jesus promised. I accepted the property he gave and named it Asha Dan (Gift of Hope).

"Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow has not yet come. We have only today. Let us begin."

"Like Jesus we belong to the world living not for ourselves but for others. The joy of the Lord is our strength."

"There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers."

"There are so many religions and each one has its different ways of following God. I follow Christ:
Jesus is my God,
Jesus is my Spouse,
Jesus is my Life,
Jesus is my only Love,
Jesus is my All in All;
Jesus is my Everything."

Make us worthy, Lord, to serve those people throughout the world who live and die in poverty and hunger. Give them through our hands, this day, their daily bread, and by our understanding love, give them peace and joy.
I heard the call to give up all and follow Christ into the slums to serve Him among the poorest of the poor. It was an order.
I was to leave the convent and help the poor while living among them.

When a poor person dies of hunger, it has not happened because God did not take care of him or her.
It has happened because neither you nor I wanted to give that person what he or she needed.

You and I, we are the Church, no? We have to share with our people. Suffering today is because people are hoarding, not giving, not sharing.
Jesus made it very clear. Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do it to me.
Give a glass of water, you give it to me. Receive a little
child, you receive me.

Everybody today seems to be in such a terrible rush, anxious for greater developments and greater riches and so on, so that children have very little time for their parents. Parents have very little time for each other, and in the home begins the disruption of peace of the world.

If we really want to love we must learn how to forgive.