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Amen! girlfriend, i have not said anything because you have been doing a good job, it has pertained to the thread and not gotten involved emotionally but the legality of it, cheers to you

I know I am in law...the law is the law...and I don't know all the facts...I just would like to see more protection for these kids...placed in such a precarious position...the parents rights were trumped yes by an improper investigation...but the children have rights also.....

no one said if they should be there
whats been said is theres no evidence collected
no one condoned anything except due process

read


not here

the news

its never ever ever been one iota about religious freedom



thats-oh ferget it

you are right

its a damn shame that agency threw protocol out the window

the same protocol they use daily for investigating crack parents
sex abuse
truancy

did they think because it was 'these people' the judge would just roll over w/ no evidence?

it speaks volumes that the superior court didnt accept the case

the travesty is is that if there is a need for help-
that is the agency whose job it is to help
they certainly know what it takes to make a case stick
so why didnt they do it?

its not about parental rights its about citizens rights
those kids are citizens too
and if they need help they are sure screwed now
because of that agency presuming the courts would move w/ no evidence

this isnt my opinion these are documented facts

yes its frustrating
the powers that be dropped the ball

whether they were ghetto child prostitutes or fringe mormons
the case would have been tossed
and it should have
these agencies must be accountable!!

I think there's an "assumed" thought that the "state" knows best. In fact, the "state" is no more that a collective of individuals that can make as poor of a judgement as anyone else. Also, because one (being the state) has authority it does not always make correct decisions. The state is just more powerful. That's why we have checks and balances that usually work. Usually! A good reason for minimal government.

I can agree with that...It's important to have those in place...We ave the Charter of Rights and Freedoms here and it's the same...one bad arrest and the case can be thrown out...regardless of guilt or innocence....It's just tough to see come into play when there's kids involved.....

I am not one that does assume that, and i know they make mistakes but we as the people have lines of law that we must abide by, this is a screwed up situation to say the least, and unfortunately the ones that are going to pay are the children.

The ruling only affects about 25% of the children being held in foster care. Not all the "parents" went to court seeking the return of their "children." No one knows what the State will do since not every kid has been properly identified thru DNA.

I agree,
case by case only, then go after the parents,

State of Missouri allowed me to marry at 16.
She was 18,, so by current and then *law*
shouldn't she had been arrested for statutory rape?

anywho........I also do not think the kids should have been taken in the fashion that they were.

Second thought here,
Innocent until proven innocent is such a lie!

They can lock you up at any time, you may not get out till you pay a high bond and then in most cases.. loose every penny you have and even your home to pay for the lawyer to get free.. even if 100% innocent.

In many cases with absolutely no proof at all!

We are guilty till proven innocent.

I just hope none of them are mine...

Agreed......but I'm not in favor of double jeopardy either.... Sometimes there aren't good answers~

while the ruling may EFFECT only 25%...it covers all 400 hundred of them, that were illegally seized from their parents

No, but I did see one of your ex-girlfriends there.

How niave!! You pay to get out of jail....but you are not convicted until proven guilty!! A conviction is a lot different than a charge

yeah i didnt comprehend that 25% business...

but indy said it
w/o checks and balances in place we are ALL in trouble

w/ the 'patriot act' anyone suggested to be 'unpatriotic' which is a completely ambiguous and malleable term under this "Act"
can be detained for an indeterminate time while being investigated

also i could mention the way this "Act" is enforcing weird and wrong long term 'observations' on people involved in illegal practices that have nothing to do w/ Politics in America-
but i wont -yes im a bit paranoid under some pers. circumstances...

much of it seems to be for the sole reason of open ended opportunity for the govt to be able to garner extra taxes or penalties from 'certain' people-its disgusting

patriot act is for govt benfit
which hasnt had the concern of the citizens benefit for a long time.

so in your estimation indy

should he be more embarrassed in this case that she didnt turn gay
but joined polygamy instead?

Good question

I don't agree with the views of the polygamist sect, I don't agree with the underaged marraiges and the whole thing is a cult. However they did not use due process in this raid. Individual cases should be looked at. The whole thing is a bad situation for the parents and the children. The only lives they've ever known have been ripped apart. Alot of you are looking at this like it's a group of weirdos that should have been busted up and that they got what they deserved, but you're not looking at the fact that these people were illeagally raided without due proccess and if the government gets away with it here , they won't stop here.

Did you know they raided the place with tanks? Why does the police department need tanks against the general public? Did you know the tanks had hitmarks on the side of them? Just like military vehicles on a battlefeild bragging about how many enemies they've killed these police tanks have hit counts bragging about killing civillians.

take a look...

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080415/080415-Polygamist-Retreat-hmed-5p.h2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tom-thisandthat.blogspot.com/2008/05/raid-of-polygamist-ranch.html&h=275&w=423&sz=23&tbnid=W0y_tbHoFqwJ:&tbnh=82&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtexas%2Bpolygamist%2Braid%252Btank%2Bphoto&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

Do you want to allow this kind of thing in our country?

There is no double jeapardy..once a case has been thrown out by a judge...that's it...it can't be tried again...which is why it's sooooooooo important to get it right the first time!!!!!!!!!!