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Alfalfa
Tybee Island, Georgia USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:14 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
hahah which man?
I was referring to the guy in your neighborhood just because of convenience, but if you are feeling generous........ dancing banana





most times that picture of you in the hat does it for me anyway thumbs up
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Crystal29
Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:14 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
hahah which man?


Willy I think his name is.....or was it willy action confused

laugh
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:14 PM CST
Alfalfa wrote:
I was referring to the guy in your neighborhood just because of convenience, but if you are feeling generous........ most times that picture of you in the hat does it for me anyway


haha lummy!
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:15 PM CST
Crystal29 wrote:
Willy I think his name is.....or was it willy action


laugh haha

Something I have no seen for sometiiiiime rolling eyes

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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:15 PM CST
ermmm.. Not*
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pixiestyx
everywhere, South Carolina USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:17 PM CST
RobbieM wrote:
The painful truth is when theres a break up its not always fair, especially on the children.If one parent is bone idle and useless how the other copes is a miracle.

Sadly kids are viewed as pawns by some, something to argue about.

A lot of men are scum when regarding their ex and kids etc.

I wont speak to my ex ever again after what she did, and i had to gracefully let go of my own child who i had not been apart from since the day he was born.

Lifes not aways fair, its how you deal with while maintaining dignity that matters.That be the first and last time i discuss my child in here.



even with your head in a fog your words are so eloquently put and i agree with every word....you can never know anothers full story or the real truth unless you have walked in their shoes...thumbs up



i was taught if and when in judging a person remember there are 2 or 3 who are also judging you....comfort hug
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spiceygamble
On my way abroad..., North Carolina USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:17 PM CST
Alfalfa wrote:
I am with you on the assumption part. Based on what you have written here alone, however I would argue that the children was cheated. He cares much more about his mother's time than her money. Some things are more important than BMWs.


There you go assuming again.
Take a step back from your perceptions & read that again...

Do you even grasp who made the sacrifice?
They all have a better life now... and I bet you can't even tell who made the real sacrifice.
Don't assume anything about their situation. Just read what details are there.

Think about it again.
Switch the characters around in your head & try it from another perspective.
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Crystal29
Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:17 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
haha

Something I have no seen for sometiiiiime


Haha me too.....any pics laugh

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Crystal29
Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:18 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
ermmm.. Not*


thought you were going all Scottish on me there laugh
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Alfalfa
Tybee Island, Georgia USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:25 PM CST
spiceygamble wrote:
There you go assuming again.
Take a step back from your perceptions & read that again...

Do you even grasp who made the sacrifice?
They all have a better life now... and I bet you can't even tell who made the real sacrifice.
Don't assume anything about their situation. Just read what details are there.

Think about it again.
Switch the characters around in your head & try it from another perspective.
I assumed nothing. I specifically said, based on what you have written alone. There are obviously more details. I stand by my statement. No parent should deprive their child of their time for something as trivial is money no matter the amount. If you are lucky enough to have children one day you will have a better handle on it.
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morganlee
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:30 PM CST
each individual case is different, maybe not a good idea to make assumptions
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Alfalfa
Tybee Island, Georgia USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:33 PM CST
spiceygamble wrote:
I have a friend who's marriage dissolved. One child was caught in the middle.
This person has now advanced in their career to the degree of allowing for the [b[purchase of the latest BMW in two weeks pay[/b]. It was understood in advance the benefits of placing the children with the other partner... so that's what was done. Neither party is neglectful or abusive... at fault or a bad parent. The situation simply called for a difficult choice in order to make the lives of three people easier & more beneficial. The child is turning 6 this year, hascollege paid for in full, a house in their name & stands to inherent a multi million $ business. The ex is living with no financial worries, has been given a new home, a new car & needn't ever work again, even if they remarry.

This is one example of making a hard choice out of love. If you did not know the story behind this situation, one could assume the worse. In fact, this is an example of love in one of the highest form... sacrifice.

My father taught me very young that when you assume you make an ass out of you & me.

Walking the line between preferences & prejudices is a complicated thing... and gets more complicated every day.

...to each their own, but lay in the bed you make...


Your premise is all about money...is the above the price of this kids sorrow in your mind? is it more or is it less?
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RobbieM
Hertford, Hertfordshire, England UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:45 PM CST
pixiestyx wrote:
even with your head in a fog your words are so eloquently put and i agree with every word....you can never know anothers full story or the real truth unless you have walked in their shoes...
i was taught if and when in judging a person remember there are 2 or 3 who are also judging you....


First rule in therapy and counselling is listen to what the person is saying in front of you, not try to drown them in what you were taught i how to deal with people.

The main thing is being totally non judgemental and the stories i would here in the friends and family support networks would break your heart.

From alcoholics, junkies and victims of crime.....it was terrible.So i know how to listen, but on here people always react like their being insulted or talked down to and fly off the handle!!

I decided not to do counselling in the end as a career as i think it would have upst me too much in the end.So i decided to stop killing themselves or others on the roads and became a driving instructor instead.

I cant wait to qualify and have a life again.

The walk a mile in my shoes is always so relevant, and many would do well to remember that before going bezerk at someone!!gift

Have some nice cyber Jimmy Choos, i have a feeling your a girlie who loves a designer shoe when she sees one!
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spiceygamble
On my way abroad..., North Carolina USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:45 PM CST
Alfalfa wrote:
I assumed nothing. I specifically said, based on what you have written alone. There are obviously more details. I stand by my statement. No parent should deprive their child of their time for something as trivial is money no matter the amount. If you are lucky enough to have children one day you will have a better handle on it.


I have had children, thank you & understand those concepts clearly.
I have been a foster parent to children who suffered much worse than mere neglect.
But I digress...

You've made the assumption(which I saw the point of this thread to be) that a child is neglected of time with it's parent, just because they do not live with them... or are not in full time custody. You have to get to know each situation in order to grasp the uniqueness.
I am not trying to pick a fight with you & I apologize if it came across as such.
I am trying to get you to see that if you categorize & label the whole world, you will be missing some of the best parts.

Here are the details you would not have seen...
The mother gave up the child to the father. The had a peaceful relationship(that simply was not a marriage) & remain best friends to this day. Both the parents still go on long family vacations with this child & spend as close to equally shared time as possible. The job she was offered involved traveling to other countries so custody would not have been fair to the child. After 1 yr, her sacrifices allowed her to sit as a chair person to a major name company & now she only travels when needed. By having the father take custody, all three of them now live more of a perfect family life then they would have ever have had. If she had taken custody, he might have bought a bar or a small business by now & be working long hours to keep it afloat... unable to spend nearly the amount of time with their child as he is now. She would still be someone's assistant & her hours would be so long, the child would grow more comfortable with babysitters than the parents.

This is only one example of how you simply can not assume things about people based on a handful of generic categories.

You have your own biases & they will guide your choices... but just remember, you may have passed up on a fairytale just because it looked like a dumb story about a toad.

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Alfalfa
Tybee Island, Georgia USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:49 PM CST
there are obviously missing details. If they have all this money, why don't they move the father and child to be near the mother? Why doesn't the mother hire someone to run the business....something does not fit...


I guess...to best articulate my position I should explain my feelings about divorce. I remember when my first child was born and one of my earliest thoughts when passing him to his mom was, how can anyone get divorced and deprive a child of the anything that could risk their ultimate happiness. There is a radio psychologist that argues divorce is only acceptable in the case of one of the 3 "A"s. Addiction , Adultery and/or Abuse. I saw my wife through Addiction early on and Adultery later and would not fold on my kids happiness (that is the Scottish in me!).

Anyway..when people talk about a marriage "dissolving" or people "falling out of love" to me it just SCREAMS...SELFISH. Marriage is a life long commitment...get some feckin therapy and if it don't work get some more. Love for me is a choice and not always an easy one....but in the end, having the courage to work through it with an eye on all its ruin affects, is 10000 times more rewarding than trying to get a better deal somewhere else. We have become a society rich with pansies.
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Alfalfa
Tybee Island, Georgia USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:52 PM CST
spiceygamble wrote:

I am not trying to pick a fight with you & I apologize if it came across as such.
Me either spicey. I hope I did not hurt you. This is obviously a very touchy subject for me. She visits once a month or so for a few days and I have to watch my kids' little hearts break all over again when she leaves and pick up the pieces.
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spiceygamble
On my way abroad..., North Carolina USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:53 PM CST
Alfalfa wrote:
Your premise is all about money...is the above the price of this kids sorrow in your mind? is it more or is it less?


Now that have given you the details to this family, can you see how you picked one point to focus on & missed out completely on the bigger picture?

When someone immediately zips to one point, it is often that issue that they struggle with as a person. You missed the truth of the matter and over emphasized the details that caught your eye. If you are approaching relationships with this same mindset, this might be a good time to ask yourself ...
"how's that working for you?"


Again, I'm simply sharing what I see... not attacking you.
I hope you can understand that.
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:57 PM CST
Alfalfa wrote:
Me either spicey. I hope I did not hurt you. This is obviously a very touchy subject for me. She visits once a month or so for a few days and I have to watch my kids' little hearts break all over again when she leaves and pick up the pieces.


I know this is slightly out of the norm.. but have you considered making her visits further apart.. and ,maybe for shorter time?

I know that's a biggy.. but it's also less traumatic for the kids.
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Alfalfa
Tybee Island, Georgia USA
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:57 PM CST
spiceygamble wrote:
Now that have given you the details to this family, can you see how you picked one point to focus on & missed out completely on the bigger picture?

When someone immediately zips to one point, it is often that issue that they struggle with as a person. You missed the truth of the matter and over emphasized the details that caught your eye. If you are approaching relationships with this same mindset, this might be a good time to ask yourself ...
"how's that working for you?"Again, I'm simply sharing what I see... not attacking you.
I hope you can understand that.
Yes...there was some assumption their. In fairness to me, however, I specifically mentioned based on what you wrote ALONE and what you wrote was all about money.
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jun 7, 2008, 1:57 PM CST
She may even agree to that herself? dunno
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