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For the purpose of discussion; without discussing the real or unreal existence of a god, accepting that god is a notion, an archetype, a focal point for spirituality; (because nothing more is substantially proveable) would you say this notion is useful to us or not?

Not.

It blinds people and makes them sheeple. And it allows people to blame an invisible diety for the wrongs of the world.

The idea of free will isn't real when discussing god. Here's why....

You can only recieve salvation if you honor, worship,and obey, the "God-man". That is not free will. Free will would be recieving salvation for just living a good moral life. Not because you are forced into worship.

In allowing God to be a spiritual focal point, it tends to pit one person against another. (Religious "my way or the highway" mentality) It's delisional, IMO, to follow an invisible man.

Don't get me wrong, the myth provides a good moral compass for us to follow, but I can get that on my own. It's called being a good human being.

JMO of course.



Good to see ya Al

It is the most useful notion on earth...if you only knew how many lives this notion saved, you wouldn't be so skeptical
no one asks you to obey God-man...( don't pay attention to what priests say, they are many times wrong nor to what bible says coz a lot of things were added in it and taken out of it).Only try to love Him:)and you will see how useful it is...

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I understand what you're saying goose; but what about losing the word god, using the image as an archetype for focusing your thoughts. Spiritually speakiing, connnectivity to all living things and such?

God.......... The universal consciousness of positive thought.... harnessed by anyone who wishes to, it is the power that brings change, or, even, for some, perform miracles...... hard to exist in this world without it....... we all tap it whether we know we do or we dont.... for religious purposes it is given a name......... God

Youre off the OP ... accepting god as a NOTION, whether its real or not is not within the discussion of the OP.

I'm not skeptical to the 'notion' by the way.

i quoted j_goose71, not you stay calm

Have you read the Bible? it's littered with "The only way to salvation is through him."

Saved lives? How many has the "Notion" killed?

Wars in god's name.

Inquisitions, blood labels, witch hunts, etc.

We'd get more done without the religious crutch.

And out of the 3000 gods (most more ancient that Jesus or the Biblical god), dozens have the SAME stories of miricales, ressurections, etc.

Religion has always been used to control the masses. And it's done a pretty good job.

Which would make the universal consciousness of negative thought the devil or the notion of the devil.

I agree with you other assertions, but the question is, is it useful to us. Do we have any say? Are we tapping it, or is it tapping us?

I can do that with a cndle. {Focus my thoughts}

I'm calm ... my reply stands ... try to stay on the OP ... thanks

CANDLE I meant

ah, then the candle is your archetype ..

Or anything for that matter. Soft music, the sound of a fan. Anything can be a focal point. No need to label it as a god or use a "Diety" to collect thoughts.


If that makes sense.....

At the beginning religion was not like that...Humans transformed it and mutilated it.Inquisitions, blood labels, witch hunts were done by humans! God has nothing to do here.It's a pity u take this notion as a pure fantasy...i wish you could see some miracles with ur own eyes so that u accepted this notion in your temporary lost soul

I think when you change the candle into "God", then you start to sway your own thoughts....



Like "What would Jesus Do?"

Then your thoughts become someone elses.

You're preaching, and starting to turn this thread into a "Prove the existence of God" subject.

Man created religion. And did these things in the name of god.

Sorry Al.

"what would the candle do?" SO, what would be wrong with that. Jesus whoever he was, did some pretty cool things. Again its man in this case(religions) that created the misonomers and malfeasance.

As an archetype its(jesus, god, buddha, james bond, the candle) not such a bad thing?

NP dude , its bound to happen .. lets just try to stay with the 'notion' or archetypical aspects folks.

Geez, but this notion is directly related to the existence of God! if He didn't exist this notion would miss also.Man did a lot of stupid things in the name of God but it doesn't mean the notion is an unuseful malefical one.
Think about all he billions of ppl for whom the simple whispering of word God makes them feel so much better.