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Yes, indeed.

I concur..

Not to make light of anyone who feels that it's a choice to be gay, but one can't overlook the scientific facts, as well as the millions of males and females that tell others that they have felt this way as long as they can remember.

To me, to think it's a state of mind is ludicrous.

Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion on the matter...but I also personally think that proof leans more toward being born that way then it being a choice...particularly when I have never heard any homosexual person say it was a choice for them...and I suppose they would know better than anyone!!!!!!!!!!

I think this study is right on. I know there are homosexual tendencies in the animal kingdom, but shouldn't there be a lot, lot more since most animal babies are raised by the female? So much for nuture.

Well you would think yes if nurture had anything to do with it....or if choice entered into the matter....

I love breakthroughs like this - Ive just spent a couple of hours reading other similar research and this seems to be quite on the mark.

The bit I love is, once these matters are explanind by science thoroughly and all the hocus pokus social ostracisation is out of the way, then I think the recent 'out of the closet' explosion some countries have seen will just become a way of life and who knows - the whole gender orientation thing may well be stood on its head by the numbers of Gay people overtaking the current norms.........

maybe the next move on marriage rules will be changes so threesomes can come out of closets too........... anything is possible

I agree Hugs... Homosexuality is far from a choice... I have a number of Homosexual friends and it is in fact very hard for them, many go down the road of drugs and alcohol, because despite increased social tolerance they still fear their families reaction, also a number of them (particularly male) fear not being able to have a family with kids etc...

One of my friends took AGES to come out of the closet, and he is still not fully out, only to friends.. that tells me one thing.... it is definitely NOT a choice.. if it was a choice.. there would be no issues and their would be less gay men suffering depression and subtance abuse problems...

JMV

Hiya Hugs

Yeah I agree...heaven forbid....if they are deemed as NORMAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Don't laugh...if the polygymists take that law to court and challenge it...it could be deemed unconstitutional...So you could see up to 4 people being married at once!!!!!!!!!


I can see that coming down the pipe some day soon...

Ya know that's very true..I never thought of that aspect...the torment and torture that they go through just to come out of the closet because it goes against societies norms...says it all...


Hey doll...It's good to see ya....

So when did you say that you were coming out?

I dont think gay animals...just some that will jump on anything that moves .. but not just gay. overly excited maybe

big difference.

I already did in Paddy's gay thread!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was about to say something like that!!!

Here's some info on it and apparently there are documented instances of actual gay animals!!!!!



Gay Animals: Truth About Gay Animals in the Animal Kingdom......

At New York's Central City Zoo, in the penguin's enclosure, are two cuddly penguins, Roy & Silo. They behave and resemble most penguins, except for one unique trait that binds both birds together: They are both gay.

Not only do the penguins nest together, they built their own nests, engage in sexual activities, and have acted as surrogate parents when an egg was placed in the nests by their handlers.

Homosexuality, once thought to be a product of man's depraved sexual tendencies, it seems, has unwittingly drawn gay animals into the spotlight.

Is Homosexuality Natural?

For millennia, homosexuality has been touted as a sin, an abominable act against God, and inevitably, Nature. For sex has always been perceived as a tool for procreation, and any other reasons attached to the act of fornication has generally drawn the ire of the conservative right.

The reality is, homosexuality in animals is far from abnormal. In fact, modern biologists have observed that at least 1,500 animals exhibit some form of gay behavior, with 500 species well documented.

Other species known to exhibit homosexual tendencies include:

1. The American Bison: This stocky, well-built animal has long been known by native Red Indians to engage in mounting, and full anal penetration. Mounting of one female bison on another female is also common.

2. At least 6-10% of male sheep engage in homosexual activities (makes one wonder where all the meat we get in supermarkets really do come from).

3. Pairs of male flamingoes have also been witnessed raising eggs of female counterparts.

Homosexuality: A Genetic Anomaly, or a Case of Sacrificing for the Common Good?

Homosexuality seems to go against the very grain of evolution: If the genetically encoded goal of every animal is to ensure the survivability of its genes, then why do some animals choose an act that is the equivalent of a evolutionary dead end?

I would still have to know and understand the ENTIRE circumstances to believe any of it.
too many factors to consider to get into all of it here.
but just a couple examples..( especially with mans invasion of the animal world)
1. Have man killed off enough animals in given area to affect normal mating?
2. how do we deem that the animal is actually thinking gay? and not just horny and jumping on whatever comes along? ( such as a dog trying to breed with a cat which happens often)

I don't believe that in a normal habitat, without mans interference that animals are actually thinking gay.. but just instinct to reproduce.

People on the other hand do have larger and much more developed minds to make these decisions with.

No matter what....... Gays will use any excuse to try to rationalize their behavior.

Same as people will try to make excuses for anything they do that is wrong.
Theres always an excuse.

Gay is wrong,
But it is their choice, just as it is my choice not to condone it.

Well I'm not sure that this comes from a very reputable source either...I just thought I would post some food for thought....I don't think being gay is wrong myself...I think that would be like saying being human is wrong...because I really do believe they are born that way....and that their preference is not a matter of choice...the same way it's not a matter of choice to be a hetero-sexual...BUT I can agree certainly to disagree....

Well, that comment should provide you with hours of conversation tonight.... LOL

Same here, some for, some against.

Thats to be expected in any debate / conversation.

would be boring if we all say things exactly the same way.
But you know me... Black ans White

Only for those who will dissect the entire message to attempt to try to make it mean something else!
But not if one is adult enough to grasp the meaning of the entire message.

each person is entitled to their own opinion.

But if people don't like my opinion... I am not going to loose any sleep over it