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If a person wants to figure out for themselves by whatever true or false logic, when it is said and done, it ain't gonna make a diddly squat of difference. We might as well figure cabbages fart pea soup and make it so with our logic. But if one wants to know truly one must believe and go to the source.


Man has a spirit.....he is a living soul (being). An animal is a living soul (being). But what people call the soul is spirit....it is not a soul. Go to the source to understand correctly. But if false information is accept and preferred then go back to cabbages farting pea soup and have it that way because lies are preffered.

It is human nature to believe what we choose to believe in spite of the facts or only correct source. There are steps to putting on a new tired, if man could not see it or feel it they would figure out how to change it by some illogical means in the name of logic....starting from a point near the stereo or windshield whipers. Read the owners manual for the car and even not seeing or feeling you can understand and put a new tire on the car.

The spirit in man sleeps at in death. All other ghost and spirits are different and not of man. But why be afraid of them if you do not believe in the source. Don't be afraid of a bomb if you don't believe bomb makers exist.

Most of the spirits seen by man are seen under the state of being high. The indians used pain, mushrooms, plants to get high. Then they saw their spirits. Peoples of other lands got high by means such as drugs, twirling, shaking head, poisons, lack of food......etc. Then they have visions and see spirits of their minds making according to their core beliefs. Why does an American see Buffaloa and an Asian Indian see a cow. Would they not be the same. It comes and starts with core belief and getting high by different means.


Then there is the high gotten in science caused by arrogance to believe their spirits and understanding for the sake of money and glory. But they can not make dirt from nothing. They must use things they don't understand to make those things that they do understand.

They say a bubblebee can not fly........so much for the gods of science!

Go to the only possible source for understanding and all will be clear. Or pick a way that pleases you each as you wish. Even if it is pea farting cabbages.

Why do people ask of things not felt or seen when all they will ever beieve is that they can feel or see? Why do they believe in evil spirits but do not believe in a God which is spirit and saying all that do are fools. Are they not making themselves fools also by they belief of evil spirits. Foolish people swallowing camels and straining at gnats.

thanks for joining the thread ...and four raising some very interesting points !




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It is a funny thing that man will kill someone they think is doing spells...then when they bury them in the ground they add magical things and say spells to keep them from acting in revenge. Are they not also witches in their own minds. Should they not also die and be buried with spells by others who should die and be......ect......

They same is true for fools who deny spirit exist and then seek them out or fear them.

If one spirit exist does not another and if so does not one rein supreme over all.....is that spirit not God........but they deny God exist. Why should the words of such fools be heard when they don't even know there own hearts and minds. Yet they cannot refrain from showing their brilliance of mind to others that are blind also....for vanity.

I do hate ignorance and it abounds!!!!

I do not insult anyone by the things I say on purpose. I do hate foolish thinking and the leading of others blindly to the path of foolish thinking which leads to foolish living. It bothers me because I care about others greatly.

A soul and spirit are the same. The spirit in our souls is the life force that energizes us either positively or negatively. Depends on our vibrations and personalities that shift from time to time.

Energy is the human being. Our energy is our consciousness, spirit, soul, and unconsciousness charged with positive and negative vibrations, our life force that is the essence of our spirit.

Energy can never die, just transfer to a lower, higher or like level of awareness on different planes of existence. Depends on our Karmas and our spiritual awareness.

I know my soul exists outside my body when I wake up from a heavy dream. When I wake up from a deep sleep I feel like I am vibrating, or my body is pulsating at a high rate. I am saying that my soul is returning from a higher charged state, from being in the astral plane, which is a higher level of awareness. And when I wake up, I am returning and re-tuning to a lower level of awareness, so that my soul can return to my body. My body vibrates at a certain frequency, and while my soul is in my body it is necessary that my soul be close to that vibrational frequency. If my soul were vibrating too fast, it would separate from my body. In my dream state oftentimes my dreams spur my soul on to a higher level of energy....so I separate from my body and experience astral projection.

It's only the way I see it, and wha I choose to believe. But I think that our soul is our spirit self. And do we know we have one, I think we do, and I also think that it talks to us, it's the inner voice, it guides us, if we listen to it. I think it is what we feel in our hearts as how it communicates with us. That is the one reason I say I will always listen to my heart over my head. The way I see it the mind knows what it is tought it knows only what it see's. It works with reason and fact. The heart is your soul your spirit. I believe it knows everything. I believe that the spirit was here long before we were.
I also believe it is the explanation as to why we can meet someone and dislike them before they even speak. Or that we all in love with someone long before the mind will accept it. Because I spirit already knew there spirit there higher self. It's why your heart tells you one thing and your mind says different. Your mind governs your thinking it can only prossess fact and reason, your heart, your soul, your spirit, governs your emotion. 'Your heart knows what you want, what you need, and at times who long before your mind could ever comprehend.
Yes I believe we have a soul or spirit, and I believe we know it's there as we seem to find ways to communicate with it. And yes it does exist outside of our bodies, it was here before our body and will be here long after.

This is JMO for what ever it is worth.

RICKY did anyone ever tell you , you are a very deep thinker? i do admire you. you are intelligent.

Intellectually, no, we can never be sure. Intuitively we know. Those who deny what they cannot see and touch with their hands deny their soul access to a higher plane of awareness.

The force is strong in you...great post and I totally understand. I can just compliment that when we listen to your heart, we listen to our unconsciousness. Our unconsciousness has all the knowledge intuitively. Our unconsciousness knows what's best and tries to guide our conscious state. Love is the very core of our consciousness and unconsciousness. Our consciousness is not connected to the universal consciousness in the way that our unconsciousness is. Our consciousness is filtering the illusions and realities in our world as we exist in physical form. We then make the choices to raise our awareness, get closer to our unconsciousness, closer to the Source that is part of our unconsciousness.

Without love, we are nothing.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

13:4-7; "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."

I love chapter 13 in the New Testament....it describes the essence of our souls...

Tell me otherwise my friend....you seem to have it figured out....I was there...were you?

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thanks for contributing to the discussion

We won't know till we're dead simple enough.

Our soul is our essence, that which breaths meaningful life into us, without it we would all be the same shade of grey.

We can tell it exists independant of the body even when we are living, because it speaks a different language than the mind... all worthwhile things like Love, Painting, Music, and Poetry come from the soul..

JMV