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WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
Shredding it, actually
Sparky55 Prattville, Alabama USA
mikeeemike: I respect your views and opinion on McCain versus Obama.

But what I still struggle with is the American paranioa that any person who has muslim ancestory, visited a country which has a predominately muslim religion, or expresses a view that is slightly favourable towards the religion etc, has to be suspected or implied to have a case to answer, including Obama. Why should any of these issues affect his presendency credentials?

I've been to Oman, Egypt, Dubai etc and the people and muslims from these countries are beautiful people, yet because of their religion are put in the same bucket as the terrorists from 9/11, Iraq, and Afganastan?


We've all heard the rumors about Obama and him being a Muslim. Those I believe are simply that - Rumors. I am not an Obama fan but I hate to see even him be unfairly characterized or blatantly lied about.

Frankly, if he were a Muslim it wouldn't make a difference to me. This would be true if I supported him and as is the case now, when I don't. The only thing that would concern me is if this rumor were more than a rumor. Then I would have to question why he would ever lie about such an issue. I don't believe that's the case and can only hope he wins or loses (Preferable loses) based on rational thought.

Unfortunately, given human nature evidenced by posts like the one earlier, race religeon, sex, etc... will continue to taint this election and other elections in the future. Phrases such as the white or black chuch, white, black, female, or Christian vote, etc.. have dominated the primaries and will continue to do so. Then there's the politically motivated, bullshit infested web sites, newspapers, etc... that propogate even more disinformation and finally we have people too lazy, biased or both to actually think for themselves. It's a wonder we've evolved even this far.
mikeeemike Den Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
ttom500: Mike can you imagine what the feeling within the coutry to Moslems was post 9/11? Yet that entire year following that event......there were a total of some 200 hate crimes in the US against Moslems. The year after that it was 116. And has remained there since.

Americans are not Islamicphobic.<I just made a new word...sign me up for the new Webster dictionary> We fully realize that this GWOT is against a smaller minority of the Islamic world. But it is a growing number of that world.

What we can not grasp...is why this vast majority of moderate and peace loving Islamic people cannot vet these terrorist from their mids.
Bring them to justice and solve this conflict before it gets worse.


Tom,

fully understand the American position after 9/11, and visiting the ground zero site and memorial was one of the most emotional things i've done.

My point is that we shouldn't bring Obama's religion or up bringing , or McCains religion or up bringing into the debate. I think that scare mongering by using what has happened in the past, and the small minority of extemists that exist today, is creating paranio amongst the ordinary Americans.




opalbeauty Worcester County USA
WhatUwish4: I though Sparky did a nice job discreting this argument this afternoon.


Did you actually try to think? rolling on the floor laughing That must have been very confusing.
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
opalbeauty: Indy, the money the rich are getting is a freebie. It is not being used as it was intended

The bulk of the tax cuts went to the wealthy, or the very wealthy, people who already had everything developed in investment strategies, with a spread of risk. When these people then received their tax cuts, they didn’t put the money into low-risk investments – they put it into high-risk investments, because it was essentially found money. The government doesn’t actually track hedge funds (the subject of a future post…), but hedge fund industry sources suggest that close to a trillion dollars have gone into hedge funds during the Bush presidency. Moreover, the hedge funds had to find a place to put the money, bets to make. Again, no firm numbers are available, but anecdotally it seems probable that hundreds of billions of that money was used to speculate on energy futures. Hedge funds bet that oil prices would go up, and because there was suddenly more money chasing oil futures, they did go up. This is how bubbles work – too much speculative money chases a given economic activity or output, causing the prices to spike upward.


I remember John (Breck Boy) Edwards having that problem w/hedge funds.... laugh ...during the primary. D'oh!
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
mikeeemike: Tom,

fully understand the American position after 9/11, and visiting the ground zero site and memorial was one of the most emotional things i've done.

My point is that we shouldn't bring Obama's religion or up bringing , or McCains religion or up bringing into the debate. I think that scare mongering by using what has happened in the past, and the small minority of extemists that exist today, is creating paranio amongst the ordinary Americans.



You feel like Obama then, no talk of terrorism should be discussed, as it's fearmongering?


dunno



opalbeauty Worcester County USA
Indyfella: I remember John (Breck Boy) Edwards having that problem w/hedge funds.... ...during the primary.


But you see what happens with the found money and why it is not creating jobs. dunno
WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
opalbeauty: Did you actually try to think? That must have been very confusing.


Hey Missy. Let's keep the claws in.

You still have not answered those questions...
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
Sparky55: We've all heard the rumors about Obama and him being a Muslim. Those I believe are simply that - Rumors. I am not an Obama fan but I hate to see even him be unfairly characterized or blatantly lied about.

Frankly, if he were a Muslim it wouldn't make a difference to me. This would be true if I supported him and as is the case now, when I don't. The only thing that would concern me is if this rumor were more than a rumor. Then I would have to question why he would ever lie about such an issue. I don't believe that's the case and can only hope he wins or loses (Preferable loses) based on rational thought.

Unfortunately, given human nature evidenced by posts like the one earlier, race religeon, sex, etc... will continue to taint this election and other elections in the future. Phrases such as the white or black chuch, white, black, female, or Christian vote, etc.. have dominated the primaries and will continue to do so. Then there's the politically motivated, bullshit infested web sites, newspapers, etc... that propogate even more disinformation and finally we have people too lazy, biased or both to actually think for themselves. It's a wonder we've evolved even this far.
applause
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
opalbeauty: Most Americans do have a better understanding than you.



My my....getting testy today. Go apply for a college grant maybe? dunno
Sparky55 Prattville, Alabama USA
opalbeauty: I thought his tax cuts to the wealthy were all about producing jobs?


Opal,

I was talking about this comment:

20% of the nations population (The wealthy) are paying 63.5% of the nations federal taxes.

80% of the nations population (The middle and lower income classes) are paying 36.5% of the nations federal taxes.

This seems more than fair to the middle and lower income taxpayer(s) Granted, taxes, finance, etc... are complicated and this article. Perhaps I am missing something.

I do agree with the idea that the wealthy should contribute more but at the same time, I think they are already doing a lot more than a majorty of the nation is. At what point is it enough?


This is a synopsis of the article you posted on income tax cuts to the rich. And again I ask, How much is enough?
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
Sparky55: Opal,

I was talking about this comment:

20% of the nations population (The wealthy) are paying 63.5% of the nations federal taxes.

80% of the nations population (The middle and lower income classes) are paying 36.5% of the nations federal taxes.

This seems more than fair to the middle and lower income taxpayer(s) Granted, taxes, finance, etc... are complicated and this article. Perhaps I am missing something.

I do agree with the idea that the wealthy should contribute more but at the same time, I think they are already doing a lot more than a majorty of the nation is. At what point is it enough?

This is a synopsis of the article you posted on income tax cuts to the rich. And again I ask, How much is enough?



I'm not speaking for anyone else, but my guess is 100%
WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
Sparky55: Opal,

I was talking about this comment:

20% of the nations population (The wealthy) are paying 63.5% of the nations federal taxes.

80% of the nations population (The middle and lower income classes) are paying 36.5% of the nations federal taxes.

This seems more than fair to the middle and lower income taxpayer(s) Granted, taxes, finance, etc... are complicated and this article. Perhaps I am missing something.

I do agree with the idea that the wealthy should contribute more but at the same time, I think they are already doing a lot more than a majorty of the nation is. At what point is it enough?

This is a synopsis of the article you posted on income tax cuts to the rich. And again I ask, How much is enough?



This is one of the questions I was refering to as well as how additional taxes to corporate america is going to help the little guy or Outsourcing...

Been waiting all afternoon.... dunno dunno dunno
mikeeemike Den Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
Indyfella: You feel like Obama then, no talk of terrorism should be discussed, as it's fearmongering?


no problems with a good debate on each candidates policy towards terroisms, Iraq, Iran Afganastan, but base the debate on what each candidate has to offer, not on bullsh*t about an individuals childhood, religion or wife.

mikeeemike Den Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
WhatUwish4: Well, perhaps if you WERE an american you might have a better understanding.


No need to get the claws out, just trying to understand the logic?
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
I am getting a "DUODENAL PAIN"
Just more Socialism in here than in the Former USSR in 70 years,than anybody can stomachhelp devil dropping jaw
mikeeemike Den Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
Sparky55: We've all heard the rumors about Obama and him being a Muslim. Those I believe are simply that - Rumors. I am not an Obama fan but I hate to see even him be unfairly characterized or blatantly lied about.

Frankly, if he were a Muslim it wouldn't make a difference to me. This would be true if I supported him and as is the case now, when I don't. The only thing that would concern me is if this rumor were more than a rumor. Then I would have to question why he would ever lie about such an issue. I don't believe that's the case and can only hope he wins or loses (Preferable loses) based on rational thought.

Unfortunately, given human nature evidenced by posts like the one earlier, race religeon, sex, etc... will continue to taint this election and other elections in the future. Phrases such as the white or black chuch, white, black, female, or Christian vote, etc.. have dominated the primaries and will continue to do so. Then there's the politically motivated, bullshit infested web sites, newspapers, etc... that propogate even more disinformation and finally we have people too lazy, biased or both to actually think for themselves. It's a wonder we've evolved even this far.
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Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
mikeeemike: no problems with a good debate on each candidates policy towards terroisms, Iraq, Iran Afganastan, but base the debate on what each candidate has to offer, not on bullsh*t about an individuals childhood, religion or wife.



That's a good perspective, but sometimes we want to know what makes the person that they are...how they developed their values.


Wives are fair game, if they get into the political fray.... JMO
mikeeemike Den Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
Conrad73: I am getting a "DUODENAL PAIN"
Just more Socialism in here than in the Former USSR in 70 years,than anybody can stomach


If that pain persists, please take a couple of asprin and go to bedgrin D'oh! dropping jaw help



opalbeauty Worcester County USA
Sparky55: Opal,

I was talking about this comment:

20% of the nations population (The wealthy) are paying 63.5% of the nations federal taxes.

80% of the nations population (The middle and lower income classes) are paying 36.5% of the nations federal taxes.

This seems more than fair to the middle and lower income taxpayer(s) Granted, taxes, finance, etc... are complicated and this article. Perhaps I am missing something.

I do agree with the idea that the wealthy should contribute more but at the same time, I think they are already doing a lot more than a majorty of the nation is. At what point is it enough?

This is a synopsis of the article you posted on income tax cuts to the rich. And again I ask, How much is enough?


Is that the exact numbers Sparky? I think it is a like 30 something of the top wealthiest and 50 percent of the wealhiest pay the most but still those cuts are trillions of dollars based on the tax rate code and they didn't work and wasn't needed as much by the wealthiest. And that money does have to be paid back.




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