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If oil companies got the okay today, oil would be flowing within 3 years. You can take that to the bank...

1000 is better than 3000....at least in my math books. We have hashed the Iraq connects to AlQeada so much, if we do it one more time the monorators will be closing the thread down.

But let me ask you this. Sadam was using many European companies to stay in power. Do you think that they just might be a little angry that thier meal ticket was out of power?

Dude, you got to know..it was billions of EUs to European companies....with him gone....that monthly check was going to be in the mail a long long time. Europe had a vested interest to see that Sadam stayed in power.

Do you feel that might be a reason why Europe is luke warm to the US
and Iraq war?

I know! California has a great fire squadran and their air fire attack squadran is known all ove rthe world and so on.....I have seen programs aboutit on Discovery and on National geograohic as well.

What is horrible about these happenings is......

The Scale of the lightning......it is massive and it is huge and experts say they have not seen things like this as long as they rmeber!

The environmental of the wntire earth is kicking asses major time....thigns are gettign out of control and thats scarey in deed!

That is what scares me and worries me and thats why we at least must use all our efforts to create a more environmental friendly feauter for all of us TT!

Global warming in not just a story.....Even this warlord GWB was "forced" to use the damn word!

[quote=Hot_Single_Dude]You want a fast economic recovery for the US? Start some major production of environmental friendly products! Take the industry of wind energy from european companies! Produce elcro cars major scale! Work more on fusion power energy! Make releiable smaller atom power plants! Make better solar cells! America can become very rich by that I asure you!

Oil is old business, TT......time has changes and the needs of the world has changed........

Oil poluts even it is effectiv....Invest in environment and there will be millions of new us jobs soon and effectively

America has the knowledge but the incestment and the will of government is needed.......

Mccain tlakd a bout 350 million investment in bette rbatteries today...I dont beleive rhis guy when ever he talks a bout any thing but still ......Not a bad idea at all!

Invest in better batteries And Save Alaska from a destructed natur!It is a nice place I have heard....it will be a true shame to destroy what is left of it![/quote]


16,000,000 acres and only 2000 acres of "drillable area". Dude, we've got farms in Indiana that are bigger than that. You've got one up on us though. Denmark is prettier than anwar. Where they want to drill it gets down to 60 below and it's barren. If that's beautiful, I'll kiss a polar bear's ass.

I dont like your kind of math book TT........

Saddam was very VERY close to American companies and american government as well and actually Reagan made the regim of Sddam powerful and gave him a lot chemichal agetns to attack iranian soldiers with,,,,,,Exactly as Taliban regim in afghanistan by the way !Have you not seen pictures of Saddam and Ramsfeldt and all those Republican folks?Viedos? Have you forgotten already?

European countries who helped Saddam in weapon developing did it by knowledge and acceptance of the US as well......

All this......before the first Golf war and after that the cooporation was mainly based on oil and oil only!

I think is Europeans are generally disturbed because of the iraq war it is because the security of Europe is threatened because of the same war of course........this war brigns up more terrorism every where and it is a costly affair to keep all that under control!

Oil is old business?:-) Jimmy Crickets and Daniel Boone discussing the foreing trade of Europe with Russia.

Jimmy Cricket: I wonder where those 32 Russian billionaire got their billions from? You know those Russian oil tycons and Kremlin friends of Mr. P. The one that arrange all that Russian crude to end up.....where?

Daniel Boone: Yes Jimmy. Russia export more crude oil to Europe than any other trading partner.

Jimmy Cricket: Daniel, how much oil does Europe use?

Daniel Boone: Alot. Europe is not as self supporting of oil, as the US is.
Europe imports nearly 82% of it oil. The US imports about 25%.

Jimmy Cricket: Wow Daniel. Does that mean Europe is in the Kremlin pocket big time?

Daniel Boone: Well Jimmy. Let me put it this way. When the Kremlin sneezes, they often catch a cold in Europe. Literally Jimmy. That Russian crude heats thier homes in the winter time.

Jimmy Cricket: Daniel, what is going to happen?

Daniel Boone: Well Jimmy, the way I figure. Europe better make alot windmills and buy some electric cars, because if Mr. P and Russia don't like the Europe political scene......Russia is going to play oil politics with them in a big way.

jmo You guys are going to need your windmills and electric cars, Dude....if we start to buy them.....you will be walking and going cold in the winter time.

a) So it was okay for Iraq to kill and rape Kuwaiti's and take over their oil fields. Europe was fine w/that?

b) So, really all your concern is for your own safety... it's always safer not to stir the pot, right?

Actually Europe has generally a much more solid economy then America you know?And a lot of that advantage is because we invest a lot more in environmental industry! Dont you want your country making money out of this huge need as well TT?

American way of life is important for americans I know that........Several cars.....cheep Gaz.......all that but still why can it be possible to change that and helping the environment when the flow of money will be huge as well? I know when american economy becomes better, the reuslts will be felt in Euorpe as well and it will bring more peace and stability on entier world as a result.......Why americans must be held behind in this huge adventur TT? Americans made the first modern wind molls any way! I know egyptians discovered wind energy more than 3000 years ago but still Ameirca made the first modern wind molls and then the industry went to Europeans who developed and mass produced it.....Wht shall you guys Buying these wind molls from Europe at all TT? You can make bette ones I am certain! American tools......Peace of true art!

When Kuwait became Kuwait and what was Kuwait before it became Kuwait .......how did it happen?

I took the sail off my sail boat and put it on my car. It only takes me 3 days to get to work. (abt 10 miles). Hey, it's environmentally friendly.

Take a bicycle Indyfella!
I bik 15 miles each way to my work and it is really fast a pleasant.....listen to music on way with a headphone....it is much faster than the soloution you suggest and it is good for your health as well!

Do you think that the first Gulf War might have ended most of those relationships? with the Federal Gov't ? with the American companies?
Really we were only dismantling his Army and kicking it out of Kuwait.
I guess Sadam is the forgiving kind of guy.....saying hey Yankee Dogs.....kick my Army out Kuwait and now I want to some business with you?

Dude did you see a humorous take off movie on Top Gun? It was called "Hot Shots". you got me thinking and remembering this stuff now. It has fight scenes were a Sadam was taking on the imperialist yankee dogs.

But really, Sadam had little realtionship with the US after the first Gulf War. His business partners after the Gulf war were Russian and European.

We then to place 10 years of CAPs over his country with him launching a periodic SAM at us....was just a nice calling card...saying he wanted to restart business with us?

And agian to say that Uncle Sam has long arms of approvals into the business decision of European companies.....sorry does not fly. There sales to SAdam are monitored by thier own country gov't. Not the US.

I don't know Dude? You dig back into the 1980s....and forget the 1990s...then return to make GWB comments in the 2000s that both were his fault....we do need to get you a new history book.....with better indexs and pictures......maybe a new movie theatre season pass. Hot Shots is getting old. But funnier than a cote' when it first came out.

Senate Intelligence Report Undermines McCain’s Claims That ‘Every Assessment’ Justified War In Iraq»


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/05/intell-report-false-pretenses/

Just wondering if you guys actually read this.

Talking a bout history......right......

Where was Kuwait before 1961?

Of course they neve EVER reading Thik progress or huffington post or CNN or aBC news or News week or Guardian or independent or Democracy now or any thing like those Opal.......they will be kicked out of the Repube club major time if they ever mention anyhting from these kind of media!

They have fox news and they have Boortz and the rest they dont give a damn about!

Thats why Bush won in 2004....because these guys they dont read any thing if it is agaisnt their beleives and when they read it they just making fun of it!And when they want to see documentaries......they see Hotshots

[quote=Hot_Single_Dude]Actually Europe has generally a much more solid economy then America you know?And a lot of that advantage is because we invest a lot more in environmental industry! Dont you want your country making money out of this huge need as well TT?

American way of life is important for americans I know that........Several cars.....cheep Gaz.......all that but still why can it be possible to change that and helping the environment when the flow of money will be huge as well? I know when american economy becomes better, the reuslts will be felt in Euorpe as well and it will bring more peace and stability on entier world as a result.......Why americans must be held behind in this huge adventur TT? Americans made the first modern wind molls any way! I know egyptians discovered wind energy more than 3000 years ago but still Ameirca made the first modern wind molls and then the industry went to Europeans who developed and mass produced it.....Wht shall you guys Buying these wind molls from Europe at all TT? You can make bette ones I am certain! American tools......Peace of true art![/quote


Actually, Europe has a different kind of economy. Here is why. Capitol invest post WWII, allowed much of Europe to modernize its industries
and change to service oriented businesses. Hey when you have bombed out factories that is what you do, yes?

Only here in the US we did not have bombed out factories. We had aging factories that were becoming ineffecient. Our business made the decisions to attempt upgrades and to keep the capitol investment to build new ones minimual. It has cost us big time.

Dude we have windmill farms. But in the eastern side of the US which gets hit with hurricanes, they are not feasible. Imagine a wind mill in a 100 mph wind? How many pieces do you want it in?

Environment? Well....environment is one thing. Prosperity is another.
The far left have the Dems and Obama in a catch 22 place right now.
He stand to lose a lot.....and I mean a lot...of voters....on the drilling issue. But the enviromentalist have him pinned to a wall. If he supports drilling.....they go bananas. Remember Hillary and the Huffington Post and Kosh attacks in the primaries? If Obama supports drilling they will make those attacks look like a kid's stuff.

It is a horrible issue for him...lose. lose. lose.

1961? GWB was about 11 year old. Not sure he could have made a
trade of his baseball cards that would have effected the world and middle east peace at the time. But fill me in. How does Kuwait in
1961 have relevance to the issues of today's 2008 Middle East?

Isn't this interesting that Saudia Arabia was more inhumane than Saddam and the terrorist who attacked on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, yet Bush decided to go to war on Iraq?


Who are the world’s most inhuman tyrants? A veteran international journalist gives his selections and tells why.
Recent Feature Articles
By David Wallechinsky
Published: February 16, 2003

President Bush has called North Korea, Iraq and Iran—three nations that sponsor terrorism—the “Axis of Evil.” But what are the world’s worst regimes—and how do we know? PARADE asked Contributing Editor David Wallechinsky to explore these questions. “Dozens of nations,” Wallechinsky says, “are ruled by repressive governments—both individual dictatorships and collective regimes such as royal families, military juntas or single political parties. In either case, the effect on those nations’ citizens is the same: They are not free to express themselves, and they are punished if they try.”

To compile his “10 Worst” list, Wallechinsky consulted independent human-rights organizations that are willing to expose both left- and right-wing regimes, such as Freedom House, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. “I looked at the documented suppression of those freedoms and rights that Americans take for granted,” he says. “Freedom of speech and religion, freedom to choose elected representatives and to disagree with their government, and the right to a fair trial.” He gave “extra credit” to those dictators who torture prisoners and others, execute political opponents, cause their citizens to starve or to suffer malnutrition and who interfere violently in the politics of countries other than their own.

It is our hope that this list will stimulate reflection and provide perspective both on world events and on the freedoms we enjoy at home.

1. Kim Jong Il, North Korea. Age 61. In power since 1994.

Each year, the human-rights group Freedom House rates every country according to its level of political rights and civil liberties. Only one nation has earned the worst possible score for 30 straight years: North Korea. And in a worldwide index of press freedom released last month by Reporters Without Borders, last place went to...North Korea.

When Kim Il Sung died in 1994 after ruling North Korea for 46 years, leadership passed to his son, Kim Jong Il. It was the first time in history that control of a Communist country was inherited. Until recently, the younger Kim managed to keep North Korea virtually closed to the outside world. He has allowed vast numbers of his citizens to starve to death. Since he assumed power, almost 300,000 North Koreans have fled to China to avoid food shortages. An estimated 150,000 citizens are incarcerated in labor camps. In some cases, their only crime was being born: Kim’s father had ordered that three generations of a political prisoner’s family must stay in prison.

In 1978, Kim Jong Il, a movie enthusiast, ordered the kidnapping of South Korean filmmaker Shin Sang Ok and his actress ex-wife, Choi Un Hui. He forced them to help him make propaganda films and build up North Korea’s film industry. They escaped after eight years. In 2002, Kim admitted that Korean agents, over several years, had kidnapped 13 ordinary Japanese and forced them to teach their language to North Korean spies. He also announced that he’d been developing nuclear weapons. Kim recently expelled international inspectors from North Korea and withdrew from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

2. King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia. Ages 80 and 79. In power since 1982 and 1995.

Fahd bin Abdul Aziz became king of Saudi Arabia in 1982. He remains the ruler, but when he suffered a stroke in 1995, his half-brother, Crown Prince Abdullah, took over practical control. Fahd and Abdullah rule by decree; there are no elections at any level. In the words of Fahd: “If we were to have elections, the winners would be rich businessmen who could buy the votes.”

In Saudi Arabia, one must not criticize the royal family. Trials often are held in secret. Adultery and abandoning Islam are crimes punishable by beheading, and people given the death penalty often are not told their sentence until the execution itself. Lesser crimes are punishable by flogging: Using a cell phone on an airplane earns 20 lashes. Floggings often are given in shopping malls and announced on the public-address system.

Saudi women may not drive. If they walk alone in the street, they risk being stopped, beaten or detained as suspected moral offenders. Last March, at a girls’ school in Mecca, 15 students died in a fire. Witnesses said the religious police prevented the girls from escaping because they hadn’t put on their headdresses and denied male rescuers access because they are not allowed to mix with females.3. Saddam Hussein, Iraq. Age 65. In power since 1979.

The dominant force in the Iraqi government since 1969, Saddam Hussein officially became president in 1979. Soon after, he invaded Iran, committing his people to a disastrous war that lasted eight years and claimed the lives of at least 100,000 Iraqis and 250,000 Iranians. In August 1990, Saddam invaded neighboring Kuwait. In the ensuing Persian Gulf War to free Kuwait, the U.S.-led campaign killed more than 50,000 Iraqis. After the war ended, Saddam’s forces killed 20,000 to 30,000 Iraqi Kurds in the north and Shi’ites in the south.

Throughout his reign, Saddam has tortured and murdered political opponents. An appalling example occurred in March 1988: During a campaign to repress the Kurdish people, he ordered the use of poison gases to kill 5000 civilians. After the Gulf War, Saddam was considered over the hill as a global-scale dictator until President George W. Bush began to promote his status as a threat to world peace.

4. Charles Taylor, Liberia. Age 55. In power since 1997.

Charles Taylor was the head of Liberia’s General Services Agency in 1983, when he was accused of transferring government funds to a private bank account in New York. He fled to the U.S., was tracked down and arrested but escaped during extradition hearings. He reappeared in 1989 at the head of a rebel army that invaded Liberia, touching off a bloody seven-year civil war. In 1997, Liberians elected Taylor president, apparently hoping it would end the fighting for good. But within three years, civil war had returned to Liberia. According to Amnesty International, Taylor’s army is responsible for the torture, forced labor and forced recruitment of civilians as well as the use of rape as a war tactic to instill terror.

Actually, Europe has a different kind of economy. Here is why. Capitol invest post WWII, allowed much of Europe to modernize its industries
and change to service oriented businesses. Hey when you have bombed out factories that is what you do, yes?

Only here in the US we did not have bombed out factories. We had aging factories that were becoming ineffecient. Our business made the decisions to attempt upgrades and to keep the capitol investment to build new ones minimual. It has cost us big time.

Dude we have windmill farms. But in the eastern side of the US which gets hit with hurricanes, they are not feasible. Imagine a wind mill in a 100 mph wind? How many pieces do you want it in?

Environment? Well....environment is one thing. Prosperity is another.
The far left have the Dems and Obama in a catch 22 place right now.
He stand to lose a lot.....and I mean a lot...of voters....on the drilling issue. But the enviromentalist have him pinned to a wall. If he supports drilling.....they go bananas. Remember Hillary and the Huffington Post and Kosh attacks in the primaries? If Obama supports drilling they will make those attacks look like a kid's stuff.

It is a horrible issue for him...lose. lose. lose.

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But still........You buy a lot of your windmolls form Wruope....from Denmark as well as amatte rof fact. Why on eatrht shall it be this way? Your kind of industry could provide a whole world with wind energy and solarcells and so on.......could it not?

What about making more of the same windfarms in western us and sending the elctricity to the east underground?

There is lot areas over there and you could psossibly even exporting elctricity to Mexico even from wind energy!

Sweden exports that and so does Denmark as well and both denmark and Sweden are tine countries compairing to us you see?

An environemental friendly government will make all this possible.....

I am sure you are wrong about Obama is going to loose because of the drilling isue....He will come with a great middle soloution soon but of course he must not tell it right now because then McCain will grab it and makes Obama,s idea His!

Feauter belongs to environmentalists as a matter of fact and when Al Gore endorsed Obama then all suspicious from all americans who care a bout the environment of their country and of the feauter of their children were gone!

He will not lose lose lose at all TT!

His position in benefit of mother nature is the best one aviable .....and majority of americans has started to think about the environment. People will not accpet being called a trator and a communist when ever they mention the environment any more TT!

Wait and see......I mean...we will both see, if you are right about your assumption,