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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 10:38 PM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
I know! California has a great fire squadran and their air fire attack squadran is known all ove rthe world and so on.....I have seen programs aboutit on Discovery and on National geograohic as well.

What is horrible about these happenings is......

The Scale of the lightning......it is massive and it is huge and experts say they have not seen things like this as long as they rmeber!

The environmental of the wntire earth is kicking asses major time....thigns are gettign out of control and thats scarey in deed!

That is what scares me and worries me and thats why we at least must use all our efforts to create a more environmental friendly feauter for all of us TT!

Global warming in not just a story.....Even this warlord GWB was "forced" to use the damn word!



By the way, you think that those 6000 ligthening strikes were a lot?

Annual average for every acre in Florida.....is.....get this....2000 strikes
per year. Florida is the second most struck place on Earth. Sahara Desert is number 1.

Sorry to disappoint you Dude. I may live on planet earth. But my alligiance is first to my country. This socialist 'let us have a little bit of your world for all of mankind and for the environment'...only goes so far. They play this 'very cool game' as Lincoln would say...of making guilt.

The modern socialist does not pound on your door.....and say, I want to remove democracy and your rights. He comes to your door saying,
look disaster in India, Pakistan, war in Iraq and troubles in Africa.
CO emission causing us to breath bad air. Hurting the environment. Killing snails and crickets. (Say it ain't so Jimmy Cricket is asking).

Just end your prosperity. Become like us with a National Health Care program. You will be happy. Leave the gas guzzler at home and ride bikes. You will be happy. Give to the Global Povery Act....07 of 1%,....
your conscience will be better for giving. Pull out of Iraq, the terrorist will not follow you. You will be safe. That is modern wealth sharing socialism Dude. And you guys assume a lot about makes a person happy in life. And really assume a lot when it comes to what makes him
safe in life. Assumptions that few Americans after 9/11 wish to take.
Assumptions that can cost this country its democracy.

But you see...that is not really a socialists concern is it? Democracy is just something that is in the way of socialism?
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 10:41 PM CST
ttom500 wrote:
1961? GWB was about 11 year old. Not sure he could have made a
trade of his baseball cards that would have effected the world and middle east peace at the time. But fill me in. How does Kuwait in
1961 have relevance to the issues of today's 2008 Middle East?


Kuwait became a "country" in 1961 and this happened because British made it possible! Kuwait is a part of Iraq as a matter off act and that britih "occupation" and giving the land to a local Amir was actually some thing which was not really out of book and international laws and just "happened" because Kuwait lies right over a huge oil lake!

It was othmanian empire who had Iraq under it for a periode of 350 years, and then it was taken by British military.....they took the land made a line in sand and wupti!!!!!!!! Kuwait all of a sudden became a Country! Saddam just tried to get the country back together and he misunderstood the american message about that matter and then the first gulf war began!

Kuwait is still a part of Iraq any way.......and thats why the Resitence aginst Iraqi occupation was not that huge any way.......

Kuwait has a population around 4 millions and only around 55 tousands can vote.......

A Really truely dictatorship which looks fabulous on the surface but deep inside very truely rotten egg!

History is a great thing TT!

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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 10:45 PM CST
opalbeauty wrote:
2. King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia. Ages 80 and 79. In power since 1982 and 1995.

Fahd bin Abdul Aziz became king of Saudi Arabia in 1982. He remains the ruler, but when he suffered a stroke in 1995, his half-brother, Crown Prince Abdullah, took over practical control. Fahd and Abdullah rule by decree; there are no elections at any level. In the words of Fahd: “If we were to have elections, the winners would be rich businessmen who could buy the votes.”

In Saudi Arabia, one must not criticize the royal family. Trials often are held in secret. Adultery and abandoning Islam are crimes punishable by beheading, and people given the death penalty often are not told their sentence until the execution itself. Lesser crimes are punishable by flogging: Using a cell phone on an airplane earns 20 lashes. Floggings often are given in shopping malls and announced on the public-address system.

Saudi women may not drive. If they walk alone in the street, they risk being stopped, beaten or detained as suspected moral offenders. Last March, at a girls’ school in Mecca, 15 students died in a fire. Witnesses said the religious police prevented the girls from escaping because they hadn’t put on their headdresses and denied male rescuers access because they are not allowed to mix with females. 3. Saddam Hussein, Iraq. Age 65. In power since 1979.

The dominant force in the Iraqi government since 1969, Saddam Hussein officially became president in 1979. Soon after, he invaded Iran, committing his people to a disastrous war that lasted eight years and claimed the lives of at least 100,000 Iraqis and 250,000 Iranians. In August 1990, Saddam invaded neighboring Kuwait. In the ensuing Persian Gulf War to free Kuwait, the U.S.-led campaign killed more than 50,000 Iraqis. After the war ended, Saddam’s forces killed 20,000 to 30,000 Iraqi Kurds in the north and Shi’ites in the south.

Throughout his reign, Saddam has tortured and murdered political opponents. An appalling example occurred in March 1988: During a campaign to repress the Kurdish people, he ordered the use of poison gases to kill 5000 civilians. After the Gulf War, Saddam was considered over the hill as a global-scale dictator until President George W. Bush began to promote his status as a threat to world peace.

4. Charles Taylor, Liberia. Age 55. In power since 1997.

Charles Taylor was the head of Liberia’s General Services Agency in 1983, when he was accused of transferring government funds to a private bank account in New York. He fled to the U.S., was tracked down and arrested but escaped during extradition hearings. He reappeared in 1989 at the head of a rebel army that invaded Liberia, touching off a bloody seven-year civil war. In 1997, Liberians elected Taylor president, apparently hoping it would end the fighting for good. But within three years, civil war had returned to Liberia. According to Amnesty International, Taylor’s army is responsible for the torture, forced labor and forced recruitment of civilians as well as the use of rape as a war tactic to instill terror.


Fabuolus articles Opal Let these guys being Forced to READ!!!!!applause thumbs up
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 10:54 PM CST
ttom500 wrote:
By the way, you think that those 6000 ligthening strikes were a lot?

Annual average for every acre in Florida.....is.....get this....2000 strikes
per year. Florida is the second most struck place on Earth. Sahara Desert is number 1.

Sorry to disappoint you Dude. I may live on planet earth. But my alligiance is first to my country. This socialist 'let us have a little bit of your world for all of mankind and for the environment'...only goes so far. They play this 'very cool game' as Lincoln would say...of making guilt.

The modern socialist does not pound on your door.....and say, I want to remove democracy and your rights. He comes to your door saying,
look disaster in India, Pakistan, war in Iraq and troubles in Africa.
CO emission causing us to breath bad air. Hurting the environment. Killing snails and crickets. (Say it ain't so Jimmy Cricket is asking).

Just end your prosperity. Become like us with a National Health Care program. You will be happy. Leave the gas guzzler at home and ride bikes. You will be happy. Give to the Global Povery Act....07 of 1%,....
your conscience will be better for giving. Pull out of Iraq, the terrorist will not follow you. You will be safe. That is modern wealth sharing socialism Dude. And you guys assume a lot about makes a person happy in life. And really assume a lot when it comes to what makes him
safe in life. Assumptions that few Americans after 9/11 wish to take.
Assumptions that can cost this country its democracy.

But you see...that is not really a socialists concern is it? Democracy is just something that is in the way of socialism?


Of course modern socialism is a bout democracy......it is all about democracy now as a matte rof fact TT!

Make a direct vote in your country where every american no matte what party can participate!

I bet those with peaceful ideas will win and they will never ever allow any right winged tyran takes over again !

on one side put :
Universal heath care, free education, natur protection, environmentaly friendly industry and production and export of environmental products and Food products as the main industries, and so on......

Andon the other side:
Weapon industry, destruction of the UN and becoming world police, poloution as you are pleased to, best educations for the richest, expensive and unfair helath care system, and so on......

You really think you side wins after eight years with the Bushney,s TT?

Think again!
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 10:59 PM CST
opalbeauty wrote:
Isn't this interesting that Saudia Arabia was more inhumane than Saddam and the terrorist who attacked on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, yet Bush decided to go to war on Iraq?Who are the world’s most inhuman tyrants? A veteran international journalist gives his selections and tells why.
Recent Feature Articles
By David Wallechinsky
Published: February 16, 2003

President Bush has called North Korea, Iraq and Iran—three nations that sponsor terrorism—the “Axis of Evil.” But what are the world’s worst regimes—and how do we know? PARADE asked Contributing Editor David Wallechinsky to explore these questions. “Dozens of nations,” Wallechinsky says, “are ruled by repressive governments—both individual dictatorships and collective regimes such as royal families, military juntas or single political parties. In either case, the effect on those nations’ citizens is the same: They are not free to express themselves, and they are punished if they try.”

To compile his “10 Worst” list, Wallechinsky consulted independent human-rights organizations that are willing to expose both left- and right-wing regimes, such as Freedom House, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. “I looked at the documented suppression of those freedoms and rights that Americans take for granted,” he says. “Freedom of speech and religion, freedom to choose elected representatives and to disagree with their government, and the right to a fair trial.” He gave “extra credit” to those dictators who torture prisoners and others, execute political opponents, cause their citizens to starve or to suffer malnutrition and who interfere violently in the politics of countries other than their own.

It is our hope that this list will stimulate reflection and provide perspective both on world events and on the freedoms we enjoy at home.



Kim, Taylor and Sadam.....the US has had a role in all three, yes? Inn either removing them, or controlling them. So that leave Saudi. Do I like the Saudi Royal family and gov't? No.

But until that 25% of foriegn import of crude is reduced....much of which comes from Saudi....there is not anything that we can really do with the Saudi, as far as reform or pressure. Become energy independant....now you are in a position to exerts some pressure on them.

But when Obama will not drill and feels the $4.00 per gallon prices is OK, it just rose to fast to get there. You are not putting any pressure on them that way. You are not going to change the Suadi Gov't or Royal family when you are keeping high oil imports and paying $4 per gallon at the pump.

Even if we become energy independant today. The Saudi are going to be tough to change. Why? That massive world oil market will still buy from them. They can simply turn their backs to the US and sell elsewhere.

But hey we nearly are 3 out of 4, yes? Taylor, Sadam, and working on Kim. Uncle Sam has taken some bad guys down, Opal. I notice your list does not have Milosovic and his crew, or Kim senior on it. Or the former Soviet Union. Or Noriega. Not to mention a few Iraqi Clerics. And a number of AlQeada types.
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NightyKnight
San Diego, California USA
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 11:00 PM CST
-Geeeze, i won't boar and waste thread-space by further re-copying the rather protracted 'header-topic'; --only to say that the notion of 'GlobalWarming' is utter NWO-Zionist nonsense for 'we the sheeple', as the Bank'sters are merely setting us up for a coming 'world-tax' along with crashing of the $ so as to introduce their new 'Amero' (like their NWO 'Euro') which will unite Mexico/USA/Canada into one tryany dumping our precious usConstitution! Fat-Albert'Gore is just another 'Commie/Capitalist' elitist-hypocrite puppet (his lavish home consumes the electrical-energy of some 240 ordinary usa-homes!) like the nefarious Clinton/Bush crime-families that along with greedy sweetie'pie Bill'Gates all pay their 'satanic-allegiance' to the local Mafia-boss D.Rockerfeller, -whom answers to self-proclaimed arch-mobster Rothschild ('red-shield' in his native Yiddish) that is known to 007-fans as the ruthless Goldfinger! Life is truly stranger-than-fiction, --but 1984/Geo.Orwell was not prophetic, --he merely knew these murderous manically-inbred warmongering feudally primitive-minded selfish Trillionaire$ personally, hence merely wrote of their plans (i'd say more, but believe in holding back)....
~Robair vH cheers
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Skybow
apple valley, California USA
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 11:01 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Now, if Environuts didn't get a ban on cutting out brush/dead wood in our forests, many of those fires could be controlled. Your enviro-nuts are to blame for that... I would say JMO....but it's a fact!


One of the times Indy was serious and spot on Dude and you think he is crying wolf and you blame global warming for wildfires. Well you might have reason to believe that harsh weather starting the wildfires is to blame but it is the fuel (read structures) dense trees, brush, dead trees and such that fuel the fires and cause them to rage out of control.

I live in a wildfire area and have one that almost burned me in '99 and 4 that have come too close for comfort. I know wildfire pretty well as it is a close neighbor too often for comfort or ignorance.

One thing you didn't point out and were wrong about Indy is that it isn't the eco nuts that stopped the forest from burning and cleaning itself out it was the European method of fire control essentially to stop all fires until the forest got too dense and unhealthy. We need to control burn our forests to stop the spread of out of control wildfires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ecology
Campaigns such as “Smokey Bear” in the USA have molded public opinion to believe that wildfires are always harmful to nature. This view is based on the outdated belief that ecosystems progress toward an equilibrium and that disturbance (such as fire) disrupts the harmony of nature. More recent ecological research has shown, however, that fire is an integral component to the function and biodiversity of many communities, and that the organisms within those communities have adapted to withstand and even exploit it. Fire suppression, in combination with other human-caused environmental changes, has resulted in unforeseen changes to ecosystem dynamics and species composition and has backfired to create some of the largest, most intense wildfires yet......
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 11:05 PM CST
Skybow wrote:
One of the times Indy was serious and spot on Dude and you think he is crying wolf and you blame global warming for wildfires. Well you might have reason to believe that harsh weather starting the wildfires is to blame but it is the fuel (read structures) dense trees, brush, dead trees and such that fuel the fires and cause them to rage out of control.

I live in a wildfire area and have one that almost burned me in '99 and 4 that have come too close for comfort. I know wildfire pretty well as it is a close neighbor too often for comfort or ignorance.

One thing you didn't point out and were wrong about Indy is that it isn't the eco nuts that stopped the forest from burning and cleaning itself out it was the European method of fire control essentially to stop all fires until the forest got too dense and unhealthy. We need to control burn our forests to stop the spread of out of control wildfires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ecology
Campaigns such as “Smokey Bear” in the USA have molded public opinion to believe that wildfires are always harmful to nature. This view is based on the outdated belief that ecosystems progress toward an equilibrium and that disturbance (such as fire) disrupts the harmony of nature. More recent ecological research has shown, however, that fire is an integral component to the function and biodiversity of many communities, and that the organisms within those communities have adapted to withstand and even exploit it. Fire suppression, in combination with other human-caused environmental changes, has resulted in unforeseen changes to ecosystem dynamics and species composition and has backfired to create some of the largest, most intense wildfires yet......


hi Sky! Welcome back!wine
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 11:05 PM CST
NightyKnight wrote:
-Geeeze, i won't boar and waste thread-space by further re-copying the rather protracted 'header-topic'; --only to say that the notion of 'GlobalWarming' is utter NWO-Zionist nonsense for 'we the sheeple', as the Bank'sters are merely setting us up for a coming 'world-tax' along with crashing of the $ so as to introduce their new 'Amero' (like their NWO 'Euro') which will unite Mexico/USA/Canada into one tryany dumping our precious usConstitution! Fat-Albert'Gore is just another 'Commie/Capitalist' elitist-hypocrite puppet (his lavish home consumes the electrical-energy of some 240 ordinary usa-homes!) like the nefarious Clinton/Bush crime-families that along with greedy sweetie'pie Bill'Gates all pay their 'satanic-allegiance' to the local Mafia-boss D.Rockerfeller, -whom answers to self-proclaimed arch-mobster Rothschild ('red-shield' in his native Yiddish) that is known to 007-fans as the ruthless Goldfinger! Life is truly stranger-than-fiction, --but 1984/Geo.Orwell was not prophetic, --he merely knew these murderous manically-inbred warmongering feudally primitive-minded selfish Trillionaire$ personally, hence merely wrote of their plans (i'd say more, but believe in holding back)....
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Jun 24, 2008, 11:14 PM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Of course modern socialism is a bout democracy......it is all about democracy now as a matte rof fact TT!

Make a direct vote in your country where every american no matte what party can participate!

I bet those with peaceful ideas will win and they will never ever allow any right winged tyran takes over again !

on one side put :
Universal heath care, free education, natur protection, environmentaly friendly industry and production and export of environmental products and Food products as the main industries, and so on......

Andon the other side:
Weapon industry, destruction of the UN and becoming world police, poloution as you are pleased to, best educations for the richest, expensive and unfair helath care system, and so on......

You really think you side wins after eight years with the Bushney,s TT?

Think again!



Time for a new poly sci book. Socialism and democracy. Are almost like and oil and water...they don't mix well. Consider countries that have tried. Italy? France? Dare I say Denmark? Go to the polls and vote...sure....for one of 15 different parties all with complicated agendas and confusing ideologies. Democracy is meant to be simple.
Social/Democracy complicates the heck out it. That was the trouble with Hillaries health plan.....free yes....complicated as a rocket launch to get a wisdom tooth extracted.

Dude I have tried to tell you. But had 9/11 not happened......do you think that GWB would have invaded Iraq? Obviously your answer is yes. But the reality is less than that. I think he would have been happy with the air coverage over Iraq....and figuring out a covert way to remove Sadam. jmo

But the reality is .....9/11 did happen. Sadam had billions for terrorism.
End of story.

Who says the US is trying to destroy the UN? Is this because we are hesitant to fund Millennium? Dude we give more to the UN than any other country. Not sure you got a legit one there. Maybe world police.....because a few little thing happened on the way to play ground with characters like Kim, Chavez, Sadam, bin Laden, and a host of others?

Nice to know everythign is going to be free. Can I look to Denmark to pay it fair share to making my American things free? Kind of like wealth sharing via the UN Millennium proejct yes? America give to the poor countries of the world and everything is free to them. If you beleive that....I have a nice bridge to show you.

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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 5:15 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
One of the MANY times Indy was serious and spot on Dude and you think he is crying wolf and you blame global warming for wildfires. Well you might have reason to believe that harsh weather starting the wildfires is to blame but it is the fuel (read structures) dense trees, brush, dead trees and such that fuel the fires and cause them to rage out of control.

I live in a wildfire area and have one that almost burned me in '99 and 4 that have come too close for comfort. I know wildfire pretty well as it is a close neighbor too often for comfort or ignorance.

One thing you didn't point out and were wrong about Indy is that it isn't the eco nuts that stopped the forest from burning and cleaning itself out it was the European method of fire control essentially to stop all fires until the forest got too dense and unhealthy. We need to control burn our forests to stop the spread of out of control wildfires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ecology
Campaigns such as “Smokey Bear” in the USA have molded public opinion to believe that wildfires are always harmful to nature. This view is based on the outdated belief that ecosystems progress toward an equilibrium and that disturbance (such as fire) disrupts the harmony of nature. More recent ecological research has shown, however, that fire is an integral component to the function and biodiversity of many communities, and that the organisms within those communities have adapted to withstand and even exploit it. Fire suppression, in combination with other human-caused environmental changes, has resulted in unforeseen changes to ecosystem dynamics and species composition and has backfired to create some of the largest, most intense wildfires yet......


If I recall correctly, people aren't allowed to clean brush along their fence rows even if it's in their yard.

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Indyfella
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Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 5:15 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
One of the MANY times Indy was serious and spot on Dude and you think he is crying wolf and you blame global warming for wildfires. Well you might have reason to believe that harsh weather starting the wildfires is to blame but it is the fuel (read structures) dense trees, brush, dead trees and such that fuel the fires and cause them to rage out of control.

I live in a wildfire area and have one that almost burned me in '99 and 4 that have come too close for comfort. I know wildfire pretty well as it is a close neighbor too often for comfort or ignorance.

One thing you didn't point out and were wrong about Indy is that it isn't the eco nuts that stopped the forest from burning and cleaning itself out it was the European method of fire control essentially to stop all fires until the forest got too dense and unhealthy. We need to control burn our forests to stop the spread of out of control wildfires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ecology
Campaigns such as “Smokey Bear” in the USA have molded public opinion to believe that wildfires are always harmful to nature. This view is based on the outdated belief that ecosystems progress toward an equilibrium and that disturbance (such as fire) disrupts the harmony of nature. More recent ecological research has shown, however, that fire is an integral component to the function and biodiversity of many communities, and that the organisms within those communities have adapted to withstand and even exploit it. Fire suppression, in combination with other human-caused environmental changes, has resulted in unforeseen changes to ecosystem dynamics and species composition and has backfired to create some of the largest, most intense wildfires yet......


If I recall correctly, people aren't allowed to clean brush along their fence rows even if it's in their yard.

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ttom500
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Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 6:46 AM CST
Since you are pushing windmills... please note I am not saying taking your loayl horse, with your helmet and staff to charge them.....

but what it the difference between a kw of energy from a windmill
and kw of energy from a advanced fuel cell that McCain's $300m
grant has made?

Seems to be not a thing in the world Dude. Both are alternative energy
and renewable energy systems. And fuel cell technoilogy is lot more
verstiale.....it can be used to power cars and light buildings. Where
as with a windmill you have a major invasion of............get ready for this...........the environment. Those massive windmill kill birds, cause lose of habitat, and have other environmental issues associated.

And as for paying $300m for a advanced fuel cell technology. We have gov't lotteries that give away more money than that. And the only thing that the gov't gets is the purchases of the lottery thickets.....
here they are getting a advanced fuel cell/battrey system that can be used on everything from rockets, aircraft, vehicles, buildings, and power grids.

Obama is losing the battle of the energy to him, Dude. Four years of a
Obama Presidency will mean $4-6 gallon prices for gas, still bound to OPEC, and trying to get alternative fuel systems into the power grid.
McCain has answers, Obama should be stealing his.....not simply saying that is a 'political ploy'. Either that or giving his specific alternatives and not avoiding the debate.

But let us move on.....I have a great one to post in here. Obama wants his supporters to pick up Hillaries tab of $22m for her running
against him. Sounds like a real case of misaproparations to me. Sure it a nice thing to do. But Hillary is not connected to his campaign. His supporters gave to him, not to Hillary. If he brings her on the ticket that is one thing.

But just goes to show you can buy support and endorsement in the
Dem party. Hillary now will step up on the campaign trial with him...have her bills paid.....raise her hand with his. Maybe let him buy her in the VP role even. What a hired gun. What game the Dems play.
He even buys a former a President with the deal. Bill C. will campaign for him as well.

I think in 2012 I will run against him and make $22m. Not bad for 15 months of campaigning. Hillary bills for this politic foray is her to pay. Not the new money man of the Dem party.

Dem politics as ususual. It is all about about money and nothing about ethnics or real issues.
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ttom500
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Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 7:06 AM CST
Hot_Single_Dude wrote:
Kuwait became a "country" in 1961 and this happened because British made it possible! Kuwait is a part of Iraq as a matter off act and that britih "occupation" and giving the land to a local Amir was actually some thing which was not really out of book and international laws and just "happened" because Kuwait lies right over a huge oil lake!

It was othmanian empire who had Iraq under it for a periode of 350 years, and then it was taken by British military.....they took the land made a line in sand and wupti!!!!!!!! Kuwait all of a sudden became a Country! Saddam just tried to get the country back together and he misunderstood the american message about that matter and then the first gulf war began!

Kuwait is still a part of Iraq any way.......and thats why the Resitence aginst Iraqi occupation was not that huge any way.......

Kuwait has a population around 4 millions and only around 55 tousands can vote.......

A Really truely dictatorship which looks fabulous on the surface but deep inside very truely rotten egg!

History is a great thing TT!


So you approve Sadam first invasion of Kuwait? Did you know that the tribes of Kuwait had laid claim to that land many years prior. That the Ottoman Empire had stolen them from the tribes? That in establishing the country of Kuwait, the British were doing nothing more than what they did with Isreal. That would would be done today for the Palestine.

Yes history is a great thing when placed into a honest understanding.
Giving support to Sadam's invasion, the rape of Kuwait, and the damage of the Kuwait country is not something to boast of in my opinion Dude.

Sadam said he invaded Kuwiat because of a single comment that disrepected Iraqi women made by a Kuwaiti oil minister to him. I suspect getting the Kuwait oil fields under his control might have been
a part of the reason. But Sadam Iraq is so removed from the Ottoman empire...that was run from Turkey....that the only thing that they have in common was the 32 palaces that Sadam had built.

What junk Dude. 1000 of Kuwait get killed becuase this nut case thinks he has a ancient claim to thier land. And you support him!

I knew that you hated the US presence in the middle east. But to support Sadam is different deal. If this is the common thinking in Europe.....the far left has twisted thing there so bad....you guys don't up from down.
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ttom500
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Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 7:11 AM CST
you guys don't know up from down.

:-) miss a word there
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Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 8:40 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
Kim, Taylor and Sadam.....the US has had a role in all three, yes? Inn either removing them, or controlling them. So that leave Saudi. Do I like the Saudi Royal family and gov't? No.

But until that 25% of foriegn import of crude is reduced....much of which comes from Saudi....there is not anything that we can really do with the Saudi, as far as reform or pressure. Become energy independant....now you are in a position to exerts some pressure on them.

But when Obama will not drill and feels the $4.00 per gallon prices is OK, it just rose to fast to get there. You are not putting any pressure on them that way. You are not going to change the Suadi Gov't or Royal family when you are keeping high oil imports and paying $4 per gallon at the pump.

Even if we become energy independant today. The Saudi are going to be tough to change. Why? That massive world oil market will still buy from them. They can simply turn their backs to the US and sell elsewhere.

But hey we nearly are 3 out of 4, yes? Taylor, Sadam, and working on Kim. Uncle Sam has taken some bad guys down, Opal. I notice your list does not have Milosovic and his crew, or Kim senior on it. Or the former Soviet Union. Or Noriega. Not to mention a few Iraqi Clerics. And a number of AlQeada types.


Come on tom, face the facts, all Bush has done is start an illegal war while more of our soldiers are dying in Alphganastan than Iraq. What a fricken shame.
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 8:44 AM CST
I think that I finally have Barak Obama figured out. See if this fits.

Barak Obama is your basic corporate NO guy. You know that guy that
when a great idea comes to the group, is the first guy to say....NO,
we cannot do that. Even if the idea makes millions or comes the janitor, there is one guy in your group that is always the first to say, NO.

That is Barak Obama......Mr. NO. Think I am wrong?

Let us start with his NO vote on the Iraq war. You cannot remove Sadam without cause and reason, he says. It is immoral to. Even though Sadam's billions are a clear threat to the security of the United States of America in the hands of AlQeada. The position of President's role reads.....'to defend the country from ALL threats foreign and domestic'. There is a sense of being preemptive there. Obama's NO vote here is like saying, you cannot defend the US with the invasion of Iraq. Not that many countries have done exactly that. But a corporate NO man, would take exactly that position.

Let us move to his energy positions. NO on offshore drilling. NO on
developing advanced fuel cell technology with large gov't grants.
NO on drilling in Anwar. NO on a gas tax cut for the American summer
driver. NO on nuclear power plants. NO on new coal applications. A lot of NOs there. Sound like that corporate NO man in your group? The guy that is rejecting the idea before ever really understanding its issues and the merits?

Let us move to his National Health Care program. There are a few NOs
there as well. NO to having your own decision for medical treatment, physician, health care facilities. NO to your own personal decisions to what quality care is for you and your family. Because with a National Health Care system, that is all decided for you.

How about McCain's invitation to meet and debate in Iraq? Or meet with OReilly? Anyplace, anytime, and anywhere shifted to well maybe one debate sometime in the future. And OReilly is growing cobwebs waiting for an appearance. Just a way of avoidance and saying NO.

Want one more example? The way he handled the Rev. Wright issue.
"I cannot separate from my spiritual brother, the man that has led me to Christ." Even thought that spiritual hates America, the Constitution,
and like most whites as well. Only if you are a Priest Pfleger do you get on Rev. Wright approval list of whites, in my opinion. Barak could not do a straight forward severance with him. But could give a NO. Till all the glue from bottle of Guerilla Glue, could not keep them together.

The one thing about change that I do know. That corporate NO men are the single biggest reason change....positive and real change does NOT occur. They are the road block, the negative influence, the politician saying NO....simply because they fear succeeding. And they have made it, thier life work seeing that others fail to succeed. Most companies realizing who they are.....soon find a very far corner desk for them....or even fire them.

Barak is your corporate NO man, wrapped in the suit of a liberal. It is
a combination of inexpereince, a lack of technology knowledge, and a fear of success......that causes his NOs. Our best Presidents are men of vision, positive in action and thought, and unite the country.
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WhatUwish4
Jacksonville, Florida USA
Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 8:49 AM CST
Such rich irony. All those "No's" cloaked in liberalism....

laugh laugh laugh
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ttom500
St. Cloud, Florida USA
Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 8:53 AM CST
opalbeauty wrote:
Come on tom, face the facts, all Bush has done is start an illegal war while more of our soldiers are dying in Alphganastan than Iraq. What a fricken shame.


What fricken shame Opal if after 9/11 we tried to buy our way out this with large Global Poverty Acts, with requests for extriditions that were never going to be acted on. What a fricken shame if Sadam's billions made their way into AlQeada hands.....
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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 9:01 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
I think that I finally have Barak Obama figured out. See if this fits.

Barak Obama is your basic corporate NO guy. You know that guy that
when a great idea comes to the group, is the first guy to say....NO,
we cannot do that. Even if the idea makes millions or comes the janitor, there is one guy in your group that is always the first to say, NO.

That is Barak Obama......Mr. NO. Think I am wrong?

Let us start with his NO vote on the Iraq war. You cannot remove Sadam without cause and reason, he says. It is immoral to. Even though Sadam's billions are a clear threat to the security of the United States of America in the hands of AlQeada. The position of President's role reads.....'to defend the country from ALL threats foreign and domestic'. There is a sense of being preemptive there. Obama's NO vote here is like saying, you cannot defend the US with the invasion of Iraq. Not that many countries have done exactly that. But a corporate NO man, would take exactly that position.

Let us move to his energy positions. NO on offshore drilling. NO on
developing advanced fuel cell technology with large gov't grants.
NO on drilling in Anwar. NO on a gas tax cut for the American summer
driver. NO on nuclear power plants. NO on new coal applications. A lot of NOs there. Sound like that corporate NO man in your group? The guy that is rejecting the idea before ever really understanding its issues and the merits?

Let us move to his National Health Care program. There are a few NOs
there as well. NO to having your own decision for medical treatment, physician, health care facilities. NO to your own personal decisions to what quality care is for you and your family. Because with a National Health Care system, that is all decided for you.

How about McCain's invitation to meet and debate in Iraq? Or meet with OReilly? Anyplace, anytime, and anywhere shifted to well maybe one debate sometime in the future. And OReilly is growing cobwebs waiting for an appearance. Just a way of avoidance and saying NO.

Want one more example? The way he handled the Rev. Wright issue.
"I cannot separate from my spiritual brother, the man that has led me to Christ." Even thought that spiritual hates America, the Constitution,
and like most whites as well. Only if you are a Priest Pfleger do you get on Rev. Wright approval list of whites, in my opinion. Barak could not do a straight forward severance with him. But could give a NO. Till all the glue from bottle of Guerilla Glue, could not keep them together.

The one thing about change that I do know. That corporate NO men are the single biggest reason change....positive and real change does NOT occur. They are the road block, the negative influence, the politician saying NO....simply because they fear succeeding. And they have made it, thier life work seeing that others fail to succeed. Most companies realizing who they are.....soon find a very far corner desk for them....or even fire them.

Barak is your corporate NO man, wrapped in the suit of a liberal. It is
a combination of inexpereince, a lack of technology knowledge, and a fear of success......that causes his NOs. Our best Presidents are men of vision, positive in action and thought, and unite the country.


No You Can't

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GOP

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