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ttom500 St. Cloud, Florida USA
WhatUwish4: Such rich irony. All those "No's" cloaked in liberalism....



Think about it. When has he said ever said YES to anything? He is running one of the most negative campaigns in modern history and keeping it under the wraps of liberalism.



opalbeauty Worcester County USA
Read and learn Tom, Saddam had NO ties with Alqueda. You're stuck in 2001 repeating Bush.



opalbeauty Worcester County USA
ttom500: Think about it. When has he said ever said YES to anything? He is running one of the most negative campaigns in modern history and keeping it under the wraps of liberalism.


He said no to this criminal war.
WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
ttom500: Think about it. When has he said ever said YES to anything? He is running one of the most negative campaigns in modern history and keeping it under the wraps of liberalism.



It's clear to me. I think some people can't see it because they don't ever try to consider the situation objectively. They don't approach the problem from a distance and take time to look at things from a neutral perspective. Rather, they only look for nuggets of information to build on their own pre-ordained theory, or what they have been brain-washed or tricked into believing.

Oh Boy... Back to the sandbox for me.

hole hole hole
HJFinAZ Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
CHANGE! Because when I am done with you, that is all you will have left..D'oh!


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
ttom500 St. Cloud, Florida USA



Get in the debate Opal...give us YOUR opinion....not some rehashed youtube stuff that you feel is is apporaite. I made direct attack on him.
One that is both factual and critical. Cannot you give some real words and defend him?
HJFinAZ Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
WhatUwish4: their own pre-ordained theory,Oh Boy... Back to the sandbox for me.


EGO, their EGO!!!!!


Somebody needs to keep their head out of the sand, get back here..
ttom500 St. Cloud, Florida USA
WhatUwish4: It's clear to me. I think some people can't see it because they don't ever try to consider the situation objectively. They don't approach the problem from a distance and take time to look at things from a neutral perspective. Rather, they only look for nuggets of information to build on their own pre-ordained theory, or what they have been brain-washed or tricked into believing.

Oh Boy... Back to the sandbox for me.


Pretty objective anaylsis, What you wish 4. Take something out of context......build a case around it....develop a political position on it because it is a emotional issue with the American people. Only problem is you are coming the table with anything positive that solves
the problem or issue. Just stirring the pot.
WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
opalbeauty: Read and learn Tom, Saddam had NO ties with Alqueda. You're stuck in 2001 repeating Bush.


That is just so untrue. If you had actually been reading what others said, you would know this from one of Sparky's recent posts.
Skybow apple valley, California USA
Indyfella: If I recall correctly, people aren't allowed to clean brush along their fence rows even if it's in their yard.

(I injected MANY)


Good morning everyone,

I don't know about where you live but here in So. Cal. it is mandatory to clear brush away from the structures and from the fence to 15 ft beyond. The fire dept told me because I thought I couldn't clear from the other side of my fence.

Right now No. Ca. is burning badly, last year it was So. Cal, one fire stopped only 5 mi away from me. Dude at least 2 of the fires from the north I've heard were started by arson.

I don't want to divert this thread off topic, just wanted to talk to Indy for a bit with a nod to Dude.

WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
Skybow: Good morning everyone,

I don't know about where you live but here in So. Cal. it is mandatory to clear brush away from the structures and from the fence to 15 ft beyond. The fire dept told me because I thought I couldn't clear from the other side of my fence.

Right now No. Ca. is burning badly, last year it was So. Cal, one fire stopped only 5 mi away from me. Dude at least 2 of the fires from the north I've heard were started by arson.

I don't want to divert this thread off topic, just wanted to talk to Indy for a bit with a nod to Dude.


Good Morning, Ms. Sky

wave wave
HJFinAZ Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
ttom500: Just stirring the pot.


A good pot of soup needs an occasional stirring, even while simmering..



opalbeauty Worcester County USA
Think Progress
Apr 30th, 2008

One Day After Bush Says We’re ‘Winning’ In Afghanistan, State Dept.

One Day After Bush Says We’re ‘Winning’ In Afghanistan, State Dept. Says al Qaeda Is ‘Stronger’»
This week, President Hamid Karzai was the subject of an attempted assassination plot, allegedly launched by the Taliban, which narrowly escaped. In a Rose Garden press conference yesterday, ABC’s Martha Raddatz asked Bush to comment on the status of Afghanistan in light of the assassination plot:

RADDATZ: Are we winning in Afghanistan?

BUSH: I think we’re making progress in Afghanistan

Q: But do you think we’re winning? Do you think we’re winning?

BUSH: I do, I think we’re making good progress. I do, yes.





In contrast, today, the State Department released its annual Country Reports on Terrorism. The opening lines of the report are a stark departure from Bush’s blind optimism:

Al-Qa’ida (AQ) and associated networks remained the greatest terrorist threat to the United States and its partners in 2007. It has reconstituted some of its pre-9/11 operational capabilities through the exploitation of Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), replacement of captured or killed operational lieutenants, and the restoration of some central control by its top leadership, in particular Ayman al-Zawahiri.

In Afghanistan and surrounding areas, State Department notes, al Qaeda now has “greater mobility” in the region:

Despite the efforts of both Afghan and Pakistani security forces, instability, coupled with the Islamabad brokered cease-fire agreement in effect for the first half of 2007 along the Pakistan-Afghanistan frontier, appeared to have provided AQ leadership greater mobility and ability to conduct training and operational planning, particularly that targeting Western Europe and the United States. … AQ leaders continued to plot attacks and to cultivate stronger operational connections that radiated outward from Pakistan to affiliates throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe.

The report also notes that terrorist attacks in Afghanistan increased 16 percent last year, which was the bloodiest year in Afghanistan since 2001. Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Schloesser, who commands U.S. forces in Afghanistan, said last week, “This year won’t be different.”






WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
Would you please stop posting all these articles and speak for yourself? It's a dialoge not a dissertation!
Hot_Single_Dude Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
ttom500: Since you are pushing windmills... please note I am not saying taking your loayl horse, with your helmet and staff to charge them.....

but what it the difference between a kw of energy from a windmill
and kw of energy from a advanced fuel cell that McCain's $300m
grant has made?

Seems to be not a thing in the world Dude. Both are alternative energy
and renewable energy systems. And fuel cell technoilogy is lot more
verstiale.....it can be used to power cars and light buildings. Where
as with a windmill you have a major invasion of............get ready for this...........the environment. Those massive windmill kill birds, cause lose of habitat, and have other environmental issues associated.

And as for paying $300m for a advanced fuel cell technology. We have gov't lotteries that give away more money than that. And the only thing that the gov't gets is the purchases of the lottery thickets.....
here they are getting a advanced fuel cell/battrey system that can be used on everything from rockets, aircraft, vehicles, buildings, and power grids.

Obama is losing the battle of the energy to him, Dude. Four years of a
Obama Presidency will mean $4-6 gallon prices for gas, still bound to OPEC, and trying to get alternative fuel systems into the power grid.
McCain has answers, Obama should be stealing his.....not simply saying that is a 'political ploy'. Either that or giving his specific alternatives and not avoiding the debate.

But let us move on.....I have a great one to post in here. Obama wants his supporters to pick up Hillaries tab of $22m for her running
against him. Sounds like a real case of misaproparations to me. Sure it a nice thing to do. But Hillary is not connected to his campaign. His supporters gave to him, not to Hillary. If he brings her on the ticket that is one thing.

But just goes to show you can buy support and endorsement in the
Dem party. Hillary now will step up on the campaign trial with him...have her bills paid.....raise her hand with his. Maybe let him buy her in the VP role even. What a hired gun. What game the Dems play.
He even buys a former a President with the deal. Bill C. will campaign for him as well.

I think in 2012 I will run against him and make $22m. Not bad for 15 months of campaigning. Hillary bills for this politic foray is her to pay. Not the new money man of the Dem party.

Dem politics as ususual. It is all about about money and nothing about ethnics or real issues.


Obama did not have to show any care about the money Hillary has lost specially because of the way she treated him and the way she became too near to McCain and she became McCain and even worse than him, by talking to human beings worse side Racism and even called indirectly for an assisination of Obama!

This is my point of view and thats why I am just a normal human being and far away from the amount of control and statsman abilities of Obama.

He shows care and he shows strength as no body else!

We have all seen different kinds of strength in this true man of honor Mr. Obama and this one about helping Hillary out about the money she has lost, and must pay back si just one of many!

The man is increadible and he will be the one making impossible missions becoming possible in the feauter United States of America if he becomes president!

Yes sure......some democrats will be pissed off because of Obama,s care for this Very Angry Woman Hillary Clinton, but most democrats and many republicans as well will respect Obama more than before because he is able to foregive.

He will not make Hillay his VP because that will be a horrible mistake as Jimmy Carter so wisely has told, but still he is going to give her an important position in the feaute White House where she can serve her country I am certain and this time......his leadeship will make sure no lobbyists will be able to make Hillary turn a way from what she prommises to take care of.
ttom500 St. Cloud, Florida USA
I gave you a site with 50 Sadam Iraq ties to AlQeada Opal, I will dig it up again.

But just a for good old memory sake.....

The first commander of AlQeada of Iraq.....was treated in Sadam's Iraq after being wounded in Afghanistan.

Sadam was funding $35K to Palestine terrorist families that killed themselves.

A AlQeada group had a training base in Northern Iraq.

Sadam funded the Mushadeen of Iran (kissing cousins to the Mushadeen of Afganhistan and Pakistan) from which the Taliban comes from.

And making a enw terror link when you are a both common enemy of the US, is likely only a phone call away from being done.

Get into the real world.....if you don't think that Sa
dam and AlQeada could have hooked up.....you are a different planet.

Remember this is not just about AlQeada, but is about terrorism. AlQeada is a small, but growing part of that. Expand it to incluse....acts against Isreal, taking hostage two Austrian vacationers in N. Africa, al Sudya killing Christian villagers in the Phillipines,
Dan Pearl being taken captive in Pakistan, and Sadam.....using his Army for both internal terrorism and to national terrorism in invading
Kuwait.
HJFinAZ Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Skybow: Good morning everyone,

I don't know about where you live but here in So. Cal. it is mandatory to clear brush away from the structures and from the fence to 15 ft beyond. The fire dept told me because I thought I couldn't clear from the other side of my fence.

Right now No. Ca. is burning badly, last year it was So. Cal, one fire stopped only 5 mi away from me. Dude at least 2 of the fires from the north I've heard were started by arson.

I don't want to divert this thread off topic, just wanted to talk to Indy for a bit with a nod to Dude.


6 years ago we had a horrific wildfire here in AZ. Thousands of acres and many homes destroyed. All because the know it all tree huggers stopped the under cutting...frustrated

The selfish A&*(^*^% did not even live in that area, they all lived nead Flagstaff (and came from another state)......D'oh!
WhatUwish4 Jacksonville, Florida USA
Um...Sorry Ttom. I thought it was Sparky who posted that site. conversing
ttom500 St. Cloud, Florida USA
opalbeauty: Think Progress
Apr 30th, 2008

One Day After Bush Says We’re ‘Winning’ In Afghanistan, State Dept.

One Day After Bush Says We’re ‘Winning’ In Afghanistan, State Dept. Says al Qaeda Is ‘Stronger’»
This week, President Hamid Karzai was the subject of an attempted assassination plot, allegedly launched by the Taliban, which narrowly escaped. In a Rose Garden press conference yesterday, ABC’s Martha Raddatz asked Bush to comment on the status of Afghanistan in light of the assassination plot:

RADDATZ: Are we winning in Afghanistan?

BUSH: I think we’re making progress in Afghanistan

Q: But do you think we’re winning? Do you think we’re winning?

BUSH: I do, I think we’re making good progress. I do, yes. In contrast, today, the State Department released its annual Country Reports on Terrorism. The opening lines of the report are a stark departure from Bush’s blind optimism:

Al-Qa’ida (AQ) and associated networks remained the greatest terrorist threat to the United States and its partners in 2007. It has reconstituted some of its pre-9/11 operational capabilities through the exploitation of Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), replacement of captured or killed operational lieutenants, and the restoration of some central control by its top leadership, in particular Ayman al-Zawahiri.

In Afghanistan and surrounding areas, State Department notes, al Qaeda now has “greater mobility” in the region:

Despite the efforts of both Afghan and Pakistani security forces, instability, coupled with the Islamabad brokered cease-fire agreement in effect for the first half of 2007 along the Pakistan-Afghanistan frontier, appeared to have provided AQ leadership greater mobility and ability to conduct training and operational planning, particularly that targeting Western Europe and the United States. … AQ leaders continued to plot attacks and to cultivate stronger operational connections that radiated outward from Pakistan to affiliates throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe.

The report also notes that terrorist attacks in Afghanistan increased 16 percent last year, which was the bloodiest year in Afghanistan since 2001. Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Schloesser, who commands U.S. forces in Afghanistan, said last week, “This year won’t be different.”



read Tommy Franks boodk Opal. The other side get a vote. Meaning
that your enemy has a say in what occurs. You might have a gain (progress) one day. Only to see it lost in a different area the next.

Conflict and war is a very fluid thing. Consantly changing and adapting.

What you guys to...is take a quote of context of GWB.....then run around looking for quotes that disprove it. With 6 billion poeple iin the world, you will find one that has said something that contridicts every every said.

I sit here show you a constant pattern of NOs positions from Obama....on very criticial issues and problems......and you avoid it like the plaque. But with all those NO on his reusme'...Obama would have trouble beat GWB in the election. GWB is more open to change than
Obama is. GWB at least make executive level decisions....to support Isreal with a weapon package....or send more troop in the surge to Iraq.....or to send a Navy flottila to New Orleans after the Hurricane.

Obama is showing us that he cannot make such executive level decisions.



opalbeauty Worcester County USA
WhatUwish4: That is just so untrue. If you had actually been reading what others said, you would know this from one of Sparky's recent posts.


oh Pleazzze! Like I rely on these guys for my information. Why don't you read the 9/11 report. Even Bush himself had to admit he was wrong in saying that Saddam had ties to Alqueda.

Here's a link of a recent report for you but I doubt that you will put that much effort into reading it because it disproves what you want to believe

Thursday, June 5, 2008

Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence


http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/record.cfm?id=298775

It is also bipartisan




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